Geelong vs Brisbane - Who would win?

[SJ]

From where does the myth that Brisbane had such fierce competition keep surfacing?

In 2003 they only won game more than St Kilda in 2008, lost their first final, and never had to face the season's standout team in the finals.

 

[Simon_Nesbit]

kickinggoals, he's hardly going to say "nah, we were better". Did you see Hart play? He was the most unselfish player in the league - constantly 'giving up' his game for the betterment of the team.

It would be a good, good contest. I'm tipping the Lions would get up, but it would actually be a slugfest - with both midfields and defences on top.

Geelong wouldn't get anything like the freedom they've had their last 40-odd games against the Lions. (That said they'd do better than any other premier since the Lions)

 

[jhinton90]

The strengths for both sides are the backlines, they match up everywhere very well but Brisbanes forward line is stronger than Geelongs forward line, everywhere else is completely even.
Brisbane in a close one.

perfect summary!

 

[Hollow Knight]

From where does the myth that Brisbane had such fierce competition keep surfacing?

In 2003 they only won game more than St Kilda in 2008, lost their first final, and never had to face the season's standout team in the finals.

What?

 

[CarnThePiesfor09]

Leppitsch would hammer that hack Mooney.

Brisbane win, but only due to a far better forward line.

 

[T-Pain]

in all honesty it depends what umpires you pick and whether you play 2003 rules or 2008 rules

2003 brisbane win easily
2008 geelong in a close one

 

[burto]

With regards to this 'Brisbane thrived under finals pressure" comment...correct me if I am wrong, but haven't Geelong won 3/4 of their finals so far in complete thrashings? 2 by over 100 points, and the other could have well been if we didn't rest in the last quarter.

 

[KickLongTackleHard]

Brisbane to win easily.

No disrespect to Geelong they are a great side but they don't have competition. Brisbane had Essendon, Port Adelaide, Sydney, Adelaide, St.Kilda etc who were pretty damn good teams through Brisbane's reign of dominance and the Lions just picked them off one by one through their brilliance and intimidation. Who have Geelong had to beat? Hawthorn and the Doggies at the moment are hardly top sides.

Geelong are at their peak while the other 15 sides are either going through a rebuilding process (Carlton, WCE, Richmond, Brisbane, Essendon, Melbourne), at a stage where they will hit their peak in one or two years time (Hawthorn, Dogs, St.Kilda, Collingwood, North) or going backwards (Sydney, Adelaide, Port Adelaide, Fremantle).

Agreed, they beat Port last year...Geelong are awesome, but the Lions were phenomenal. I hope the Hawks continue to improve to give them a real run for their money and then see how they go.

 

[Humpers]

Geelong in the home and away season. Brisbane in the finals.

Yep I agree.

When Brisbane were focussed they were the best team I've seen. If it weren't for injury they would have won in 2004 as well.

 

[budge11]

Brisbane by 20 points.

 

[SJ]

What?

Would have thought that was pretty clear-cut but I'll try again for you.

In 2003, Brisbane finished at 14-7-1 in third position (with an inferior record to any other third placed team from 1999-2008).

They lost to a 15-7 team (second position) in the Qualifying Final at the MCG.

They defeated a 13-9 team (sixth) in the Semi Final at the Gabba.

They defeated a 14-8 team (fourth) in the Preliminary Final at ANZ Stadium.

They were lucky enough to once again face a 15-7 side in the Grand Final who they defeated comfortably.

I can't see where the tough competition was that year.

Never had to play the standout side who finished three games clear on 18-4.

 

[AJ_No.4]

Would have thought that was pretty clear-cut but I'll try again for you.

In 2003, Brisbane finished at 14-7-1 in third position (with an inferior record to any other third placed team from 1999-2008).

They lost to a 15-7 team (second position) in the Qualifying Final at the MCG.

They defeated a 13-9 team (sixth) in the Semi Final at the Gabba.

They defeated a 14-8 team (fourth) in the Preliminary Final at ANZ Stadium.

They were lucky enough to once again face a 15-7 side in the Grand Final who they defeated comfortably.

I can't see where the tough competition was that year.

Never had to play the standout side who finished three games clear on 18-4.

the standout team in the home and away season didn't make the GF though, so what happens to your theory now then???

 

[AJ_No.4]

Brisbane for mine. Best football team I have seen in my life time

 

[EagleMan87]

Would have thought that was pretty clear-cut but I'll try again for you.

In 2003, Brisbane finished at 14-7-1 in third position (with an inferior record to any other third placed team from 1999-2008).

They lost to a 15-7 team (second position) in the Qualifying Final at the MCG.

They defeated a 13-9 team (sixth) in the Semi Final at the Gabba.

They defeated a 14-8 team (fourth) in the Preliminary Final at ANZ Stadium.

They were lucky enough to once again face a 15-7 side in the Grand Final who they defeated comfortably.

I can't see where the tough competition was that year.

Never had to play the standout side who finished three games clear on 18-4.

That's all well and good, but why are you focusing on their 2003 premiership?

What about their first, against the most dominant side in Essendon?

 

[SJ]

the standout team in the home and away season didn't make the GF though, so what happens to your theory now then???

That's my point, Port fell over and never gave Brisbane the massive "competition" that according to a lot of people they allegedly faced.

 

[SJ]

That's all well and good, but why are you focusing on their 2003 premiership?

What about their first, against the most dominant side in Essendon?

I agree, but let's not forget Brisbane were the standout side come the 2001 finals. I think they won their 16th consecutive match on Grand Final Day, whereas Essendon limped into the finals, losing three out of their last six home and away games, and running out of legs and players.

 

[KickLongTackleHard]

That's my point, Port fell over and never gave Brisbane the massive "competition" that according to a lot of people they allegedly faced.

They fell over against you last year too with the record margin. Your good but your not that good...yet.

 

[SJ]

They fell over against you last year too with the record margin. Your good but your not that good...yet.

I'm not arguing that, I'm simply questioning the alleged 'fierce competition' that Brisbane faced in 2001-3.

 

[Jimthegreat]

FB- Hunt, Harley, Mackie
FF- Caracella, Lynch, Bradshaw

HB- Wojcinski, Scarlett, Rooke
HF- Akermanis, Brown, Notting

C- Milburn, Ablett, Selwood
M- Ottens, Bartell, Ling
C- McCrae, Black, Power
M- Keating, Voss, Lappin

HF- Corey, Mooney, Johnson
HB- Johnson, Leppitsch, Pike

FF- Chapman, Lonegan, Stokes
FB- Scott, Michael, Scott

int- Blake, Kelly, Byrnes, Varcoe
int- Charman, White, McRae, Copeland

I might've left some players out, and I may've got a few positions wrong, but you get the hint, who would win?

While it's not the way of picking a winner Brisbane seem well ahead in the "on paper" man-on-man stakes. No hesitation picking the Lions.

 

[Play by Numbers]

Would have thought that was pretty clear-cut but I'll try again for you.

In 2003, Brisbane finished at 14-7-1 in third position (with an inferior record to any other third placed team from 1999-2008).

They lost to a 15-7 team (second position) in the Qualifying Final at the MCG.

They defeated a 13-9 team (sixth) in the Semi Final at the Gabba.

They defeated a 14-8 team (fourth) in the Preliminary Final at ANZ Stadium.

They were lucky enough to once again face a 15-7 side in the Grand Final who they defeated comfortably.

I can't see where the tough competition was that year.

Never had to play the standout side who finished three games clear on 18-4.

I think your missing the point a little. The idea is that the competition was touger ie. not just 1 or two stand out teams therefore there would be a more even spread of losses. It's up to you to decide whether this proves Geelongs dominance more with it's home and away record this season or Brisbaines due to the fact that that they still came away with 3 grand final wins. Personally I choose the latter considering the relative quality of the competition at the time(from my memory) and that apart from Hawthorn the competition this season has been relatively poor. This has been demonstrated by some suprise losses due to relatively poor form as opposed to exceptional games from some very out of form sides. That the Bulldogs could finish third this season is a testament to this. But out of the two choices I'm pretty sure which one youll choose.

 

[T-Pain]

Would have thought that was pretty clear-cut but I'll try again for you.

In 2003, Brisbane finished at 14-7-1 in third position (with an inferior record to any other third placed team from 1999-2008).

They lost to a 15-7 team (second position) in the Qualifying Final at the MCG.

They defeated a 13-9 team (sixth) in the Semi Final at the Gabba.

They defeated a 14-8 team (fourth) in the Preliminary Final at ANZ Stadium.

They were lucky enough to once again face a 15-7 side in the Grand Final who they defeated comfortably.

I can't see where the tough competition was that year.

Never had to play the standout side who finished three games clear on 18-4.

have to disagree completely - the wins/losses were a statement of just how even and therefore difficult the competition was that year - there were genuinely 8 other teams that could knock off a top 8 side on any given day. hawthorn finished 12-10 outside the 8 by an entire game! yet they still only lost by a kick to port who won the minor premiership.

 

[Michael Scarn]

Geelong

 

[Paul Kersey]

Brisbane easily. Geelong aren't nowhere near as good as the media pumps them up (Scarlett best full back ever - yeah right). The standard of the competition hasn't been that good the past few years.

 

[SJ]

have to disagree completely - the wins/losses were a statement of just how even and therefore difficult the competition was that year - there were genuinely 8 other teams that could knock off a top 8 side on any given day. hawthorn finished 12-10 outside the 8 by an entire game! yet they still only lost by a kick to port who won the minor premiership.

Then maybe that suggests then that Brisbane weren't that great but Geelong are something a bit different?

I don't see how that because Brisbane were further back in the pack and not a standout side in any season, that therefore the competition was tougher. Maybe they just weren't as good.

Question - what was the competition like that Essendon faced in 2000? Pretty weak? Or was it comparable with any other season, but Essendon were simply awesome?

 

[Meow]

I think it would be a ripper, both sides fairly even across the park, but I think it might come down to experience.
Brisbane had a fair bit of experience at the time, and had some very tough bodies.
Brain says Brisbane , heart says Geelong.