No Oppo Supporters General AFL and other clubs discussion thread. **Opposition fans not welcome** Part 7

[Brant]

Don’t think I mentioned anywhere that I was okay with what he did - I do take offence though that he be placed in the same basket as repeat offender JDG

It’s all hypothetical anyway - he’s not coming to the Hawks and pies aren’t letting a player of his quality go

If they were to finish Bottom 2-3 again & he was to leave as an RFA then they'd be getting a Top 4 Pick for him.

That's probs a fair bit more than he's worth. I'm pretty sure they'd 'let him go' for that.

 

[killerspud]

I would like to see the club take up some sort of fundraiser for the Devonport families and community impacted by yesterday’s tragedy

Yes.

I've been thinking about this and it's not really about money. It's about community and being there for people with desperate grief. I think our team need to go down there and train there. I think they need to hold clinics and be part of the community. They need to listen and be there and show we care. This is important.

 

[killerspud]

So they replaced a former Head of Channel Nine with a former Head of Channel Nine?

Tom Browne's daddy is the president of his club.
Tom Browne's daddy is the president of his club.
Tom Browne's daddy is the president of club
As Eddie's ghost lives on

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Tom Browne's daddy is the president of his club.
Tom Browne's daddy is the president of his club.
Tom Browne's daddy is the president of club
As Eddie's ghost lives on

Channel 9 is the home of absolute hacks who only get a gig because their dad is high up there or otherwise famous. Shocked Tony two phones hasn’t got a gig on Footy Confidential at this rate.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Paywalled. What does it say?

I'm thinking he's still pissed that his trade request to Hawthorn didn't eventuate !?

Personal/family issues is all it really said.

 

[Kil Phearns]

Shane Martin (Dusty's Dad) has passed away:

Vale Shane Martin

The Richmond Football Club is mourning the passing of Shane Martin.

www.richmondfc.com.au

 

[TylerDurden]

RIP

 

[Brishawk]

RIP

My condolences to the Martin family

 

[Beandip]

Nice for him that he got to see his son experience such amazing feats before his time was up

 

[grumbleguts]

So does Hodge, Matthews and Clarko. Wouldn't swap any of them.

None of which involve mistreatment of women. As soon as hawthorn had a player known to have gone down that path, we sent them packing. why would we get this troglodyte on our books?

 

[wahawk]

Don’t think I mentioned anywhere that I was okay with what he did - I do take offence though that he be placed in the same basket as repeat offender JDG

It’s all hypothetical anyway - he’s not coming to the Hawks and pies aren’t letting a player of his quality go

Repeat offender ?
So far,

broken hand from a bar fight

drink driving

&
1 of 2 charges from NYC has been dropped that being ‘forcibly touching a woman’

 

[wahawk]

None of which involve mistreatment of women. As soon as hawthorn had a player known to have gone down that path, we sent them packing. why would we get this troglodyte on our books?

Did he though ?
The 2 times he was accused of this, the charges were dropped

 

[Mercy Seat]

I doubt I'll convince anyone who is already holding that view. Just as someone who was in the 'under no 'circumstances' camp when it came to should we look at Martin, I regret that line of thinking. That and I know I will accept a certain level of ratbaggery from Hawthorn players so it is hypocritical to hold it against other side's players (again when players haven't stepped way outside the line). Just if JDG was to walk cheaply at the end of next season I would hate if we didn't look at it and he ended up at either Richmond or the filth and helped strengthen their hands.

The big difference in this conversation is that it’s a lot easier to forgive / sweep under the carpet / rehabilitate a player who you’ve drafted, and invested a lot of time into. When they’re in your system and are loved by their fellow playing group and obviously talented, you’re gonna do everything you can to manage their role at the club.

when they have their issues but are at another club however, it’s a completely different criteria you’re operating from and the cost / benefit discussion cannot be remotely compared to what you’d do and have done in the past for an incumbent player.

Not to say we don’t look at it, but the scrutiny on the off-field stuff caries significantly more weight, particularly when we have to consider sponsors, members, etc. Don’t forget we publicly announced a few years back we wouldn’t go for Jake stringer as we are “the family club”.

 

[TylerDurden]

 

[Rhayader]

 

[The Jet From Poowong]

The potential to cause injury (previously selectively used) MUST now be part of the consideration.
I am okay with that.

Just waiting for media to find some wriggle room for their darlings on what constitutes potential to cause injury

 

[Yardie]

The potential to cause injury (previously selectively used) MUST now be part of the consideration.
I am okay with that.

Just waiting for media to find some wriggle room for their darlings on what constitutes potential to cause injury

Can't wait for Selwood to get a fine........

 

[Ned Ryerson]

With these new rules I assume Danger is going to play 6 games this year then?

 

[cryptor]

The potential to cause injury (previously selectively used) MUST now be part of the consideration.
I am okay with that.

Just waiting for media to find some wriggle room for their darlings on what constitutes potential to cause injury

Still far too open to interpretation for my liking. Basically just allows them to manipulate it to get whatever result they want.

If a player bumps, makes some head contact, but the other player is perfectly fine then any punishment based on potential is essentially a punishment for some hypothetical version of the event where an injury does occur.

And the players involved definitely influences how these interpretations shake out.

 

[Mitchell Madness]

I'm so tired of players getting fines/suspensions because their opponent leads with the head.

Deliberately malicious bumps (like dangerfield in rd 1) should be suspended. But incidences where a player has done everything to limit damage, but their opponent has had rigormortis strike their legs so all they can do is bend at the hips - play on.
99% of head hits could be avoided if the players started protecting themselves

 

[TazHawk15]

Can't wait for Selwood to get a fine........

Or the guy he collects in the head gets a warning.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

I'm so tired of players getting fines/suspensions because their opponent leads with the head.

Deliberately malicious bumps (like dangerfield in rd 1) should be suspended. But incidences where a player has done everything to limit damage, but their opponent has had rigormortis strike their legs so all they can do is bend at the hips - play on.
99% of head hits could be avoided if the players started protecting themselves

100%. If the head is sacrosanct then players like Selwood who deliberately put their head in the firing line to draw free kicks should also be punished with suspensions to stop them doing it. It’s hard to expect umpires to see the head ducking every time when the game is at full speed - but the MRP should be able to call it out.

 

[Pessimistic]

Still far too open to interpretation for my liking. Basically just allows them to manipulate it to get whatever result they want.

If a player bumps, makes some head contact, but the other player is perfectly fine then any punishment based on potential is essentially a punishment for some hypothetical version of the event where an injury does occur.

And the players involved definitely influences how these interpretations shake out.

agreed and hypocritical because head injuries are caused in otheaccidental circumstances e g a team mate or high marking or subsequent contact in packs after the stacks on.

the horrible effects of brain injury aren’t going to be better or worse wether it was an opponent collided with or a team mate

 

[Pessimistic]

100%. If the head is sacrosanct then players like Selwood who deliberately put their head in the firing line to draw free kicks should also be punished with suspensions to stop them doing it. It’s hard to expect umpires to see the head ducking every time when the game is at full speed - but the MRP should be able to call it out.

empower the boundary umps to call it out. This cheating happens when field umps are blindsided.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

empower the boundary umps to call it out. This cheating happens when field umps are blindsided.

Dare say the boundary riders wouldn't be in the best positions for it also - many things when they happen at the breakneck speed of professional footy can go unnoticed. If the MRP can demonstrate he is dropping into tackles however he should be getting the suspension and not the players who hit him through no fault of their own.