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already a gofundme happening according to the saints board.........
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It’s a tough read
I remember Muir as a player that’s a horrible story even st kilda gave done nothing
As a kid I saw Syd Jackson play the comments about him in the crowd was shocking hate to think what Muir went through
I remember Muir as a player that’s a horrible story even st kilda gave done nothing
As a kid I saw Syd Jackson play the comments about him in the crowd was shocking hate to think what Muir went through
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Hope the AFL are shamed into contributing, have likely made money from his image and time in the game.
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He needs healing yes money may help but st kilda & afl need to say sorry !
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Enjoyed the television crowd coverage of the 2 Darwin games featuring the locals. The ground was sublime, lets play Dreamtime games up there every year.
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saints showing good accountability from the top listening to their media release - why does it take this article before attempts are made to rectify this shit?
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I'd imagine the excuse would be something along the lines of institutional forgetfulness, something all organisations are both capable of and culpable for.
Here is the club's statement, for what it's worth:
Club statement: Robert Muir
St Kilda Football Club CEO Matt Finnis has issued the following statement in relation to Robert Muir.
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Awesome response.I'd imagine the excuse would be something along the lines of institutional forgetfulness, something all organisations are both capable of and culpable for.
Here is the club's statement, for what it's worth:
Club statement: Robert Muir
St Kilda Football Club CEO Matt Finnis has issued the following statement in relation to Robert Muir.www.saints.com.au
Could not ask for more.
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gotta follow through with much more than muir apology and possible reparation/restitution, structures need to be put in place, training, listening, intent, change
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Gotta hope every club follows suit. Now would be a good time for them to check in on all their former players
1. "There have been 30 or 40 events for Indigenous players over the years, and I've never been invited to one," he says.
2. Two years ago, Muir summoned the courage to call the club.
"I said that just in respect for Doug Nicholls, I wouldn't mind going to the Dreamtime game," he says.
"And they said, 'Oh yeah, we'll get back to you.' But they never did."
All of it is terrible and people were pretty terrible also....but how could the club treat him in such a way.
Hope they 'fix' things up as much as they can. They need to.
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2. Two years ago, Muir summoned the courage to call the club.
"I said that just in respect for Doug Nicholls, I wouldn't mind going to the Dreamtime game," he says.
"And they said, 'Oh yeah, we'll get back to you.' But they never did."
All of it is terrible and people were pretty terrible also....but how could the club treat him in such a way.
Hope they 'fix' things up as much as they can. They need to.
Donate to Funds for Robert Muir’s shoulder op, organised by Mal Padgett
Calling on all St Kilda Football Club and AFL fans to support past player Robert Muir … Mal Padgett needs your support for Funds for Robert Muir’s shoulder op
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I wouldn't go throwing stones unless we know for sure that this did not occur in our own club. It may not have been as bad as Muir's treatment but I'm sure it would have been there in some shape or form. Every club would have skeletons in the closet. You just have to read the story to know that it was different times back then and he copped it at a number of different levels.
If and when such a story emanates out of the CFC, the response should be the same.
Being nasty though was not confined to only the indigenous people, either. I can vouch for that first hand.
The clubs though should have been a workplace that players felt embraced and safe in and not dismissed so easily for whatever reason.
No doubt we're a lot better at it now.......but just not quite good enough, yet.
Has Channel 9 and “The Footy Show” put out an apology for how they treated Robert Muir - in that satirical episode where they invited Muir on as a guest.
I must admit I laughed along with most and actually now feel quite ashamed - I add my apologies (for what they are worth) here.
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There will always be room for improvement. Most working at St Kilda now would not know the story of Robert Muir or even have heard of him apart from the media portrayal of him, so it is great they have come out and responded and hopefully will follow through.
We don't have to look too far back to find our own failures with players addictions, have we improved, are we getting better?
Not sure what the bolded refers to, some people just like to be ricks. (spelt with a silent P)
I meant 'towards' indigenous people. That wasn't phrased well at all.
If one has to be mean and bully others, one will often find that they're actually not very happy in themselves.
Lots will still fall through the gaps and we'll still likely have some that don't care to 'open up' but at least clubs have some mechanisms in place now.
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Exactly why we should be reaching out to check on the mental health of all former players, admittedly a big ask given the turnover of our list in recent times and the cuts to front office staff.
Would be shocked if there were no similar incidents to what Muir described at every club at some stage of their existence, hard to believe there aren't idiots and/or bullies at some time in every workplace in history. The true test is how you respond to such people and their victims.
We, and every other club, would miss a vital opportunity to learn from what Robert Muir was brave enough to expose in that article if we do not act now. If we have to be dragged kicking and screaming into the light, we are not doing it right, yet it still needs to be done.
AFL as an industry cannot be a spokesperson for social justice issues in society, then ignore their complicitness in trauma caused to their own participants.
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The only problem with that is the fact the AFL can't be on the ground, across 18 clubs.
The clubs know what they have to do....it's all been laid out bare....therefore they must accept principle responsibility within their workplace.
The clubs know what they have to do....it's all been laid out bare....therefore they must accept principle responsibility within their workplace.
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True, AFL can still be involved.
AFL can simply ask for a certified list of players that have received a welfare check call from each club with a $50k fine for any player listed who is found to not have been contacted. Any player not on the contacted list after a period of say 1 month will need to be followed up within a subsequent set period, or further sanctions will be imposed.
Clubs would understand the optics of apparently not caring enough about past players to feel compelled to act. Doesn't hurt for the AFL to ensure they act with suitable haste.
They can be and should be.
Jesus, that fine looks hefty but I understand the idea. It's a good idea, if players do indeed want to be contacted.
I just think it makes for a very difficult thing to enforce. Really difficult but clubs should be doing the same on their own accord and for all we know........maybe some are.
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Would be ideal if clubs did this off their own bat, instead of waiting to be told to do so. The size of the fine is to discourage token or dishonest efforts.
Might even be reasonable for the AFL to consult with specialists and have a prepared list of questions for each former player to be asked. That way the quality of the interaction is not based purely on the ability (or not) of the person making the call.
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