General Trade Talk

[Teffy]

Re: Trades youd like to see your team make

I get the point and always have. I'm just letting North fans that they do not hold any advantage of Adelaide in this situation.
I agree with you that McKernan holds all the keys in this situation and have stated that in other threads.
North supporters need to realise if a fair trade( a win for both teams) they run the risk of losing McKernan to teams below them on the ladder.
I can't see someone of McKernan talent and potential sliding all the way to North in the PSD.

Do North fans realise that McKernan is also a potential Giants target? Maybe Mckernan is the Giants real target from the Crows not Walker. Just like how everyone thought Tippett was the Suns preferred choice from the Crows when they were really targeting Bock.
There was an article about it in the Adelaide Advertiser a few weeks back.

I find it interesting that you question my understanding of the inner workings of the AFC, whilst at the same time predicting the trade machinations of the AFC.

If you can find someone that will trump Norths 1st round pick, then let me know. I can't see the Crows getting a better offer.

I don't need Einstein to tell me that GWS would jump all over Shaun in the PSD either.

If Shaun nominates North and the Crows tried to shaft him by forcing a trade on him with GWS, then Shaun would likely tell the Crows to get lost and opt in to the PSD to GWS for nothing.

How does that benefit the Crows? It's an absurd notion, Adelaide wouldn't be that stupid.

McKernan holds the keys, and if Shaun nominates a club, then within reason, the Crows are going to have to entertain his wishes.

 

[Pariah]

Re: Trades youd like to see your team make

I find it interesting that you question my understanding of the inner workings of the AFC, whilst at the same time predicting the trade machinations of the AFC.

If you can find someone that will trump Norths 1st round pick, then let me know. I can't see the Crows getting a better offer.

I don't need Einstein to tell me that GWS would jump all over Shaun in the PSD either.

If Shaun nominates North and the Crows tried to shaft him by forcing a trade on him with GWS, then Shaun would likely tell the Crows to get lost and opt in to the PSD to GWS for nothing.

How does that benefit the Crows? It's an absurd notion, Adelaide wouldn't be that stupid.

McKernan holds the keys, and if Shaun nominates a club, then within reason, the Crows are going to have to entertain his wishes.

Can you not read?
I have all ready said that a 1st round draft pick is acceptable.
You are assuming to much.
There is a difference to predicting trades between clubs and suggesting that clubs don't or won't have room in their salary cap to retain players.
I didn't say Adelaide would trade McKernan to the Giants. I am suggesting the Giants could claim him Smack as an uncontracted player.

 

[philthy05]

Re: Trades youd like to see your team make

teffy if a trade had to happen every time a player was out of contract then we would have 100 trades a year.

firstly this " he only wants to come to north" thing would be more believable if it hadnt started the day after he was traded.

lol at the no-one can beat our draft pick comment... ummmm ever heard of gws??

look at it this way, every man and his horse knows he is out of contract, so im guessing that means every recruiter knows he is out of contract. some of them figure they could use him, some figure they may have the trade currency, some may have made an inquiry to his manager as to him wanting to come home. if he has made a decision he can probably count on one hand the people that know. is your mate one of those people?? no he isnt. is your mate one of those people that knows someone, who talked to someone who knows that they have spoken to his agent and thinks he may come to the club??? possibly...

people sell hope, one says.. we think he will, the next says we know he will, the next says, we know he has.

in the end he may sign, or he may go. i doubt its a done deal. a first round may be all sweet to get him, but any threats of " if he nominates, then the club have no choice" is bull. if he nominates a team they may have other options. and psd will be full of teams that are outside of victoria, do you expect them to pass on him?? or the old, nah he will price himself out of their reach... lol.

 

[Ants]

Re: Trades youd like to see your team make

Originally Posted by Ants
You seem to be ignoring Freo who could also make an offer and drive the price up.

And you go on and on about "only offering what you have" - and then ignoring you have players like Shuey and Naitanui around. You're not offering what you have - you're offering what YOU are willing to part with. And teams have traded down/up first round picks before - look at the McConnell, Nixon, McKee and Polak deals.

I personally can't see how you think you would get away for less than the Tarrant deal. First rounder + two players (probably higher value than Medhurst/Polak).

Shuey or Naitanui for Rich

Are you seriously saying these players would be put up to get Rich?

If you are you have no credibility whatsoever.

Shuey is already better than Rich in the Eagles view, both Shuey and Naitanui are untouchable in the Eagles list planning.

The Eagles would be idiots to put up a better player to land Rich, why would they do that? Seriously?

Le cras
Kennedy
Shuey
Naitanui

All more valuable than Rich.

S Selwood maybe closer to similar value with a later pick, late 2nd or 3rd rounder. But Scooter doesn't want to go anywhere from reports.

The same as the Tarrant deal would be pick 17 + Lynch + Strijk / Nicoski.

And the Tarrant deal was paying way overs in any case.

The Eagles are improving heaps and are not desperate to land Rich, will pay a decent amount but if Freo want to 'sell the farm' to get him go for it. Not sure if Rich wants to go to Freo either and Mitch Clark put his hand up last season so maybe Freo will be trading him in, they do need a FF / CHF / ruck more than another mid.

Way to miss my point. I wasn't saying you would trade Naitanui or Shuey. My point was that calls that "we've only got a late first pick so nothing else to trade" were BS. You have plenty to trade that could get a top 10 pick, you just don't want to trade most of it.

Why was the Tarrant deal overs? They traded a first round pick and two fringe players for a quality tall. Neither Polak or Medhurst were getting a game in Freo's team. Sure, Medhurst came good for 1.5 seasons, but plenty in the same boat don't (Williams, Prismall, etc.).

You're deal probably is equivalent to Tarrant, except I said you would need a better player to get the top 10 pick this year. So one of Lynch/Strijk would need to be a better player.

 

[Teffy]

Re: Trades youd like to see your team make

teffy if a trade had to happen every time a player was out of contract then we would have 100 trades a year.

firstly this " he only wants to come to north" thing would be more believable if it hadnt started the day after he was traded.

lol at the no-one can beat our draft pick comment... ummmm ever heard of gws??

look at it this way, every man and his horse knows he is out of contract, so im guessing that means every recruiter knows he is out of contract. some of them figure they could use him, some figure they may have the trade currency, some may have made an inquiry to his manager as to him wanting to come home. if he has made a decision he can probably count on one hand the people that know. is your mate one of those people?? no he isnt. is your mate one of those people that knows someone, who talked to someone who knows that they have spoken to his agent and thinks he may come to the club??? possibly...

people sell hope, one says.. we think he will, the next says we know he will, the next says, we know he has.

in the end he may sign, or he may go. i doubt its a done deal. a first round may be all sweet to get him, but any threats of " if he nominates, then the club have no choice" is bull. if he nominates a team they may have other options. and psd will be full of teams that are outside of victoria, do you expect them to pass on him?? or the old, nah he will price himself out of their reach... lol.

I'm not going to answer the same questions time and time again.

Go back and read my posts.

 

[Obeanie1]

Re: Trades youd like to see your team make

Way to miss my point. I wasn't saying you would trade Naitanui or Shuey. My point was that calls that "we've only got a late first pick so nothing else to trade" were BS. You have plenty to trade that could get a top 10 pick, you just don't want to trade most of it.

Why was the Tarrant deal overs? They traded a first round pick and two fringe players for a quality tall. Neither Polak or Medhurst were getting a game in Freo's team. Sure, Medhurst came good for 1.5 seasons, but plenty in the same boat don't (Williams, Prismall, etc.).

You're deal probably is equivalent to Tarrant, except I said you would need a better player to get the top 10 pick this year. So one of Lynch/Strijk would need to be a better player.

And this is a seriously stupid point to make.

Every team in the AFL could get a bottom 5 pick by trading its best players. Eagles could get pick 1 off GWS if it wanted to by trading Naitanui or Kennedy or Le cras or Shuey. Naitanui would get that on his own, Kennedy, Shuey and Le Cras almost but would likely require a pick as well.

Hawks could get pick 1 by trading Franklin.

Pies could get pick 1 by trading Pendleberry.

But it would be stupid for that club to do so, totally freakin stupid.

If we ended up with pick 15 what player would we add to that to get a top 10 pick? Thats the question. And the answer is not Shuey or Le Cras or Kennedy or even Priddis or S Selwood. Our best chance would be Ebert plus our 2nd rounder for Ports first rounder, and even thats a bit of a stretch.

As for the Tarrant trade if he was so good why did the Pies get rid of him. He was above average playing for Freo but his role as a lock down KP backman with minimal hurt factor isn't worth what Freo paid for him IMO

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Re: Trades youd like to see your team make

WCE fans - would be a 'reasonable' trade proposal for Mitch Brown?

 

[Obeanie1]

Re: Trades youd like to see your team make

WCE fans - would be a 'reasonable' trade proposal for Mitch Brown?

Reasonable would be a late first round pick 15 > 18. But saying that Mitch is worth more to the Eagles than a late 1st round pick. He was a pick 16 I recall. A straight swap for Lucas or Garlett would be close to the mark as well.

He stated last week in an article that he wants a new deal and wants to be a one club player, loves Perth bla bla bla. I'd also suggest he if he moved back to Melbourne he'd want to play for the Pies who he supported as a kid and where his twin brother is playing.

 

[benji2]

Re: Trades youd like to see your team make

Would like to see the Crows trade the seemingly out-of-favour Ivan Maric maybe put Will Young in the mix & pick up/find a small forward, an area we seem to be falling down badly in this year. Hmmm...Monfries? Walters from Freo? Lindsay Thomas?

 

[Tulip]

Re: Trades youd like to see your team make

Would like to see the Crows trade the seemingly out-of-favour Ivan Maric maybe put Will Young in the mix & pick up/find a small forward, an area we seem to be falling down badly in this year. Hmmm...Monfries? Walters from Freo? Lindsay Thomas?

How does Neville Jetta sound, not that he's much of a small forward in our team atm but he's capable of playing there and Maric would be ideal as a Jamar replacement for injury.

 

[yaco55]

Re: Trades youd like to see your team make

Reasonable would be a late first round pick 15 > 18. But saying that Mitch is worth more to the Eagles than a late 1st round pick. He was a pick 16 I recall. A straight swap for Lucas or Garlett would be close to the mark as well.

He stated last week in an article that he wants a new deal and wants to be a one club player, loves Perth bla bla bla. I'd also suggest he if he moved back to Melbourne he'd want to play for the Pies who he supported as a kid and where his twin brother is playing.

Brown's original draft pick is irrelevant to the argument - Sandiland's was a rookie = Does a club wanting to trade in sandilands offer a rookie pick - Of course not.

Brown is into his fifth year - injury prone - hasn't cemented a regular position - Is he a back or forward ?

Do well to get a pick in the 30's or 40's.

 

[benji2]

Re: Trades youd like to see your team make

How does Neville Jetta sound, not that he's much of a small forward in our team atm but he's capable of playing there and Maric would be ideal as a Jamar replacement for injury.

perhaps A.Maric for I.Maric?

 

[kane249]

Re: Trades youd like to see your team make

Brown is into his fifth year - injury prone - hasn't cemented a regular position - Is he a back or forward ?

Prior to injury he was cemented as our regular Centre half-back and was being groomed for the position long-term.

 

[Yoda_]

Re: Trades youd like to see your team make

I think the two lists prime for pickings are WCE and Melbourne.

WCE I would look at are:

Mitch Brown, Koby Stevens, Ash Smith whilst Melbourne have an abundance of onballer who could look at opportunities elsewhere.

Just out of curiousity, would dearly love Collingwood rookie Jye Bolton.

Watched him a couple of times and he is a gem of a pick up by the pies.

 

[Joshen]

Re: Trades youd like to see your team make

Would like to see the Crows trade the seemingly out-of-favour Ivan Maric maybe put Will Young in the mix & pick up/find a small forward, an area we seem to be falling down badly in this year. Hmmm...Monfries? Walters from Freo? Lindsay Thomas?

Cue Spurk

 

[Salaryman]

Re: Trades youd like to see your team make

Brown's original draft pick is irrelevant to the argument - Sandiland's was a rookie = Does a club wanting to trade in sandilands offer a rookie pick - Of course not.

Brown is into his fifth year - injury prone - hasn't cemented a regular position - Is he a back or forward ?

Do well to get a pick in the 30's or 40's.

^ This.

Would you hand over pick 15-18 for Paul Bower with his dodgy quads?



Garlett or Lucas

 

[Pariah]

Re: Trades youd like to see your team make

Would like to see the Crows trade the seemingly out-of-favour Ivan Maric maybe put Will Young in the mix & pick up/find a small forward, an area we seem to be falling down badly in this year. Hmmm...Monfries? Walters from Freo? Lindsay Thomas?

Not sure if serious. I hope your not. We have lead up forwards like him.
Would love to get Monfries to the Crows but we would need to offer Essendon much more than Ivan. Again we have Monfries type at the club but unlike Lindsay Thomas he could become a part of our midfield rotations.
Forget about Maric to Fremantle they have much better rucks than Ivan.

 

[Balony_pony16]

Re: Trades youd like to see your team make

I really want pettard from the demons at the lions...if Mitch clark wants back to wa, perhaps a 3 way deal with freo could be worked out? Not sure what freo would give up though

 

[Ants]

Re: Trades youd like to see your team make

And this is a seriously stupid point to make.

Every team in the AFL could get a bottom 5 pick by trading its best players. Eagles could get pick 1 off GWS if it wanted to by trading Naitanui or Kennedy or Le cras or Shuey. Naitanui would get that on his own, Kennedy, Shuey and Le Cras almost but would likely require a pick as well.

Hawks could get pick 1 by trading Franklin.

Pies could get pick 1 by trading Pendleberry.

But it would be stupid for that club to do so, totally freakin stupid.

If we ended up with pick 15 what player would we add to that to get a top 10 pick? Thats the question. And the answer is not Shuey or Le Cras or Kennedy or even Priddis or S Selwood. Our best chance would be Ebert plus our 2nd rounder for Ports first rounder, and even thats a bit of a stretch.

As for the Tarrant trade if he was so good why did the Pies get rid of him. He was above average playing for Freo but his role as a lock down KP backman with minimal hurt factor isn't worth what Freo paid for him IMO

Carlton gave up Kennedy for Judd. Teams trade out quality. But my point is that you do have the trade currency to get the right picks, you just don't want to use it. Of course most clubs don't want to trade their better players, its why trades don't happen. When we tried to lure Brennan in the PSD it was pretty damn obvious we rated him. It was also obvious we weren't actually willing to offer anything significant for him. And so it didn't happen.

And I never said you would need a Shuey/Naitanui plus other stuff. In fact I said your suggested trade wasn't too far off, but would need slightly better fringe players than you had selected.

 

[benji2]

Re: Trades youd like to see your team make

Not sure if serious. I hope your not. We have lead up forwards like him.
Would love to get Monfries to the Crows but we would need to offer Essendon much more than Ivan. Again we have Monfries type at the club but unlike Lindsay Thomas he could become a part of our midfield rotations.
Forget about Maric to Fremantle they have much better rucks than Ivan.

Agree Monfries would be useful both up forward and in the middle and with Porps dicky shoulder would be handy to have. Freo don't need ruckmen but I think Walters isn't a bad player and can kick goals, and Freo have a few of his type in the team already.

Sorry - was being silly re Lindsay Thomas. If the Kangas go for McKernan as rumoured (which would probably take Maric off the table) what could we get from them? I think Greenwood could fill a run-with vacancy (and was improving as a midfielder), anyone else?

 

[Ants]

Re: Trades youd like to see your team make

......Would love to get Monfries to the Crows but we would need to offer Essendon much more than Ivan. Again we have Monfries type at the club but unlike Lindsay Thomas he could become a part of our midfield rotations...

Hands off Monfries, we're keeping him.

Can I interest you in Davey?

 

[Obeanie1]

Re: Trades youd like to see your team make

Brown's original draft pick is irrelevant to the argument - Sandiland's was a rookie = Does a club wanting to trade in sandilands offer a rookie pick - Of course not.

Brown is into his fifth year - injury prone - hasn't cemented a regular position - Is he a back or forward ?

Do well to get a pick in the 30's or 40's.

You may be right, Brown has had a bad trot with injury and his trade value right now would probably be at the bottom end due to his injury history.

But Mitch is happy to stay in Perth and with his trade value being so low and his services required I'd suggest he won't be going anywhere.

 

[WCE_phil]

Re: Trades youd like to see your team make

I'd actually be interested in walters for the eagles. If we could talk him into wanting to come depending on where we finish a second or third rounder might get the deal done. (considering if we were to say finish 8th this year with 3-4 compo picks activated said second rounder would be a pick around 35)

 

[Pariah]

Re: Trades youd like to see your team make

Hands off Monfries, we're keeping him.

Can I interest you in Davey?

No he's to injury prone.

 

[DVD Player]

Re: Trades youd like to see your team make

Time to rape the dogs of all their talent. Any bids?