Rumour GFC 2019 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists.

[year of the cat]

Were you not implying that we gave away pick 19 in isolation for Ablett and that this was a bad decision? You pointed it out as on be that stood out

Probably the bit where I said “not critical of either” would imply that I didn’t think it was a bad decision. I’m saying that now, with the likelihood that Kelly is leaving, Taylor retiring etc our immediate window has shut and I wouldn’t want to see us giving up that sort of pick for a player in their 30’s for a few years. Which is, in essence, is repeating what I’ve said in a few posts.

 

[foxdog50]

One of the best wins in the last 2 years was Lang to Carlton , Geelong get pick 57 enter Gryan Miers.
Thank you very much Carlton

 

[cynical]

True.

You tipped us to make it in 2015 when we missed.

has nothing to do with the content posted

it's just a petty way to dismiss someones views

in the future i'll try to deal with more mature posters

 

[cats_09]

2017 Pick 19 which was an irregularly high compo pick for Motlop (became Will Powell)
2018 round 2 pick (idk wtf this became)

for

Gary Ablett Jr
2017 Pick 24 (became Tim Kelly and we'll get/got a good return from him)
2018 round 4 pick (idk wtf this became)

Doesn't seem as bad as people think.

The compo pick for Motlop so felt like overs & that we were awarded that for it to be used as part of the Ablett deal - if we were intended to keep that pick, then it would have been a 2nd round compo

 

[CatsDoItBetter]

I know his output has dropped a little over the last couple of seasons. But I’m surprised Chris Masten hasn’t attracted any interest. He’s a free agent and even at 30 should have some good footy for a team on a wing or through the middle.
Clearly the eagles are making salary cap room. But I would’ve thought another club would be keen. Plenty of team could do with some midfield depth.

 

[Cataholic]

I'd move on 2e, SS, Hendo, Guthrie, Menegola and Fort, whilst only playing Taylor, Ablett and Selwood for no more than 12 - 15 games each..... Assuming Taylor and Ablett play another year.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

too many jobs for the boys
our assistant coaches
Blicavs long contract, Cam Guthrie long contract
a battered up Scooter got 4 years
rookies who have shown nothing in Sam Simpson and Zuthrie both having 4 years at the club
Jed Bews another 2 years

bit of a worrying trend, I bet Oscar gets another 2 years even if he shows no form

I understand some players take longer to develop but Simpson and Zuthrie haven't show enough. Zuthrie you could say deserved an extra year after his first 2 but not Simpson.

You actually pressed send on this?
I pity you.

 

[Lana]

I'd move on 2e, SS, Hendo, Guthrie, Menegola and Fort, whilst only playing Taylor, Ablett and Selwood for no more than 12 - 15 games each..... Assuming Taylor and Ablett play another year.

That would result in a painful year. Our squad is shallow enough as it is. We'd be a shoe-in for a top 5 pick.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

this is easy

win 90% of games at a unique home ground (unique due to the narrow dimensions)
then win 50% of other games (not too hard as half the teams are in development mode)
win 1 out of 2 finals to get to a prelim

also play a lower variance style of game, more contested and more defensive, that way you get wins against the higher variance styles (more attacking teams)
this is because the more attacking sides need to tinker a lot more so they can peak for September (they make a lot more mistakes early in the year and tend to get punished more)

and the last thing instead of playing a lot of youth, stick to only a few because too many and you will start losing games (eg play Henderson/Scooter/Menegola/Bews instead of Sam Simpson/Zuthrie/Constable/Kreuger etc)

Keep recruiting B graders from other clubs and getting mature age players from the draft, then your team will never be too young so you'll always finish in that 3rd-8th zone (until your supply of old A graders are all gone but dont worry about that thats for the next coach/president/ceo to worry about)

Wowsers. haha

 

[Cataholic]

That would result in a painful year. Our squad is shallow enough as it is. We'd be a shoe-in for a top 5 pick.

I doubt we're going to be a genuine contender next year, or for a year or two after that even, so time for us to suck it up I reckon.

We'll be better for it in a short time.

 

[thecatattack]

I'd move on 2e, SS, Hendo, Guthrie, Menegola and Fort, whilst only playing Taylor, Ablett and Selwood for no more than 12 - 15 games each..... Assuming Taylor and Ablett play another year.

Might as well dump all of our experience and tank.

 

[Strange Cat]

Might as well dump all of our experience and tank.

I though Guthrie was unreal in the first half , I wonder why he hasn’t played in the guts untill then this year. 2E is a required best 22 player, Fort can leave if he gets better opportunities elsewhere

SS and Nenegola will be requiredDepth players for the following year.

 

[Cataholic]

Might as well dump all of our experience and tank.

Fort gives us nothing, nor will SS and Hendo because both are cooked...... 2e, Menegola and Guthrie just aren't good enough to take us forward....... and we'd nurse Taylor, Ablett and Selwood whilst still utilising their experience as / when needed.

Don't see a real issue tbh.

 

[thecatattack]

Fort gives us nothing, nor will SS and Hendo because both are cooked...... 2e and Guthrie just aren't good enough to take us forward....... and we'd nurse Taylor, Ablett and Selwood whilst still utilising their experience as / when needed.

Don't see a real issue tbh.

The problem is you're dumping experience and leadership for nothing.

 

[Cataholic]

The problem is you're dumping experience and leadership for nothing.

Not for nothing, no.

It'd be a move towards investing experience into our next generation and developing their leadership.

Fort and SS don't take the field anyway, we can't rely Guthrie or Menegola to be consistent, Hendo is just too slow now, and 2e turns it over way too much.

 

[thecatattack]

Not for nothing, no.

It'd be a move towards investing experience into our next generation and developing their leadership.

Fort and SS don't take the field anyway, we can't rely Guthrie or Menegola to be consistent, Hendo is just too slow now, and 2e turns it over way too much.

You can try and convince yourself it'd be a good idea because of their onfield performances but there's deadass no way we're dumping all those players for "development and experience".

 

[Art Vandelay_]

^^^^^
Also maybe even Hamling who couldn't get a game then went on to be a Premiership full back. Back them in.

Nope. At the time he was lower in the pecking order to get a game than Kolodjashnij.
End of 2014 he asks to leave, Kolo gets games in 2015.

Had he stayed it's likely one of he and Kolo gets stuck in the VFL.

 

[dazbroncos]

we both know that isn't true

as expected instead of trying to understand something you prefer to dismiss it and stick with your own wrong assumptions

yeah really it is.

You are a serial bottomist and and whatever the lowest outcome for the GFC you'll go lower.

Nothing wrong with it - but own it and dont claim to not be it now when it called on it.

GO Catters

 

[Cataholic]

You can try and convince yourself it'd be a good idea because of their onfield performances but there's deadass no way we're dumping all those players for "development and experience".

Not trying to convince myself of anything mate. Just saying what I'd do, as a contribution to the discussion here.

And yes, I know it won't happen, because they won't bite the bullet. They'd be too scared because of the reason you outlined, though I don't think it's insurmountable at all.

They'll also avoid doing much because I think there's a bit too much pride and self congratulation of pride within the coaching panel, the MC and fat cats to admit changes are needed.

 

[thecatattack]

Not trying to convince myself of anything mate. Just saying what I'd do, as a contribution to the discussion here.

And yes, I know it won't happen, because they won't bite the bullet. They'd be too scared because of the reason you outlined, though I don't think it's insurmountable at all.

They'll also avoid doing much because I think there's a bit too much pride and self congratulation of pride within the coaching panel, the MC and fat cats to admit changes are needed.

It's literally nothing to do with what you're saying.

It's we're not dumping experienced leaders for some bullshit development. You need experienced players and leaders at the club, look at Gold Coast.

 

[Cataholic]

It's literally nothing to do with what you're saying.

It's we're not dumping experienced leaders for some bulls**t development. You need experienced players and leaders at the club, look at Gold Coast.

Who amongst Fort, SS, Guthrie, Menegola, Hendo and 2e do you classify as leaders?

 

[thecatattack]

Who amongst Fort, SS, Guthrie, Menegola, Hendo and 2e do you classify as leaders?

Well, 2e is apart of the leadership group for starters.

Then they all are bar Fort.

 

[CatsDoItBetter]

Who amongst Fort, SS, Guthrie, Menegola, Hendo and 2e do you classify as leaders?

All bar Fort are clearly leaders

 

[cynical]

yeah really it is.

You are a serial bottomist and and whatever the lowest outcome for the GFC you'll go lower.

Nothing wrong with it - but own it and dont claim to not be it now when it called on it.

GO Catters

reply to the content of the actual post instead of throwing in your no content cheap shots all the time

 

[Cataholic]

Well, 2e is apart of the leadership group for starters.

Then they all are bar Fort.

I get what you're saying..........but none of them have torn it up over their time.

Leaders do that..... They lead from the front.

But Guthrie and Menegola are rarely there by example, Fort / SS can't even get on the field, Hendo can't keep up, and 2e.....well, we differ there in our assessment too.

So, imo, little leadership would really be lost. And perhaps we'd unearth better performers to boot.

But I respect your opinion. I know my proposition won't see light of day.