Rumour GFC 2020 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt2

[cats_09]

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[gaz love x]

As someone who doesn't follow the draft at all, I don't see why a club would burn a high pick on a player who doesn't seem to have a best position and is a flight risk. Henry getting through to Richmond's pick and us trading up to it makes sense to me.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Talks light up about top-five pick swap between North and Hawks

Rival clubs suggest Hawthorn and North Melbourne have discussed a potential draft night trade involving their respective top five picks.

www.theage.com.au

I think for us it depends on if the right player is there (eg henry etc)..i would be loathed to trade our future first but any of our future seconds i would consider for the right player.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

As someone who doesn't follow the draft at all, I don't see why a club would burn a high pick on a player who doesn't seem to have a best position and is a flight risk. Henry getting through to Richmond's pick and us trading up to it makes sense to me.

Because he is what recruiters like..positionally versatile..very good skills..high ceiling of improvement...i cant see him getting to 17 we would have to trade into the top 10 to get him and that would cost a lot to do.

 

[Turbocat]

I think for us it depends on if the right player is there (eg henry etc)..i would be loathed to trade our future first but any of our future seconds i would consider for the right player.

I get the feeling ..that we may be able to get a R1 for an Fr2... the vibe about next years draft is very smiley..

 

[Gee Class Loco]

Agree, I hope Henry goes to Giants. That would be best chance of him ever playing at Geelong.

Yep! He wouldn't be playing in the seniors 2021 and maybe lucky to play a bit in his second year so by the time he is out of contract we can swoop on him when he'll be ready to play senior footy.

 

[Turbocat]

As someone who doesn't follow the draft at all, I don't see why a club would burn a high pick on a player who doesn't seem to have a best position and is a flight risk. Henry getting through to Richmond's pick and us trading up to it makes sense to me.

Draft is a sausage anyway ... so you are picking on the raw material a lot.,, and Henry , like other has a lot of attributes that would see him fit into an afl side. I think back on Goodes who kicked a bag of goals in the u18 GF ..yet I believe , was considered positionally questionable.
I get you point, a player that standout in role like McDonald is easier to define why you recruit him.

IF he gets thru to the Richmond pick ... and they are willing to do it for a reasonable price .. eg FR2 next year ... Id say Geelong do the deal for sure

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I get the feeling ..that we may be able to get a R1 for an Fr2... the vibe about next years draft is very smiley..

Not our R2 in the 30s but essendon FR2 in the 20s plus maybe a late sweetener would maybe get you a pick in the teens (richmond)..but if henry is gone we might not do it unless someone we really rate is still there. I have little doubt if henry slides we will do that sort of trade but i think its unlikely he does.

 

[ibuprofen]

I get the whole Oliver Henry being a good prospect as I have said before, I think he will be a better player from day 1 than Jack. However, does he project well in a position of need? Or does he create more of a log jam at the medium defender position with Kolo, Jack and Stewart? Can't see us rolling with four medium defenders and say O'Connor and Clark. It would be a defense of basically the same sized player and out of those six not sure who misses out. Our defensive group is also not that old if you look at those players. Also, not sure he projects particularly well outside defense or who you actually leave out of that group especially when SDK will have to get a spot there.

Not sure he fits what we need but I suppose it depends where he falls to, for example, I could see him slipping to 20s based on positional need but the order could change a fair bit on draft night. Think there are a lot more areas where we need players. I suppose it all depends on the cost, if he slid to 20s, yeah, its probably worth it especially if its hard to trade away picks after 15 but I wouldn't be doing a deal with say Essendon to get him.

 

[Grimoz]

Wouldn’t put it beyond them. They have an ageing midfield and awful picks.

Wouldn't that be classed as draft tampering?

 

[Grimoz]

Im trying to figure out why we would even entertain Baldwin with a pick, our forward line is stacked as it is unless its for the future and even then he's more likely to want to move back to Adelaide if his knees hold up just dont see us going that way, now Ford i would take at 27 no questions asked, could be the steal of the draft.

 

[Grimoz]

I get the whole Oliver Henry being a good prospect as I have said before, I think he will be a better player from day 1 than Jack. However, does he project well in a position of need? Or does he create more of a log jam at the medium defender position with Kolo, Jack and Stewart? Can't see us rolling with four medium defenders and say O'Connor and Clark. It would be a defense of basically the same sized player and out of those six not sure who misses out. Our defensive group is also not that old if you look at those players. Also, not sure he projects particularly well outside defense or who you actually leave out of that group especially when SDK will have to get a spot there.

Not sure he fits what we need but I suppose it depends where he falls to, for example, I could see him slipping to 20s based on positional need but the order could change a fair bit on draft night. Think there are a lot more areas where we need players. I suppose it all depends on the cost, if he slid to 20s, yeah, its probably worth it especially if its hard to trade away picks after 15 but I wouldn't be doing a deal with say Essendon to get him.

I get the feeling that the whole Henry thing is only being inflated because he is Jacks brother, i haven't seen much of him to be honest but I think if Jack wasn't playing for us there wouldn't be so much talk about us wanting to get him.

 

[goyoucatters]

Im trying to figure out why we would even entertain Baldwin with a pick, our forward line is stacked as it is unless its for the future and even then he's more likely to want to move back to Adelaide if his knees hold up just dont see us going that way, now Ford i would take at 27 no questions asked, could be the steal of the draft.

Totally agree about avoiding the players with questionable injury histories at this time. To do two knees before you even enter the senior system is just horrendous; as we found with Menz, surely his ceiling is going to be awfully compressed as a result. And, reading into the background a little, he did his last knee injury while looking to shepherd an opponent. Doesn't sound at all promising for his long-term durability for mine.

Add in the flight risk, and I'm really not keen on looking at him at any price. It's now coming up to 15 years since a gamble on a seriously injured draftee really paid off for us. Considering we don't have picks to throw around like confetti, I'd be very reticent to look at players who haven't steered relatively clear of serious injury in their recent playing history. No matter how much of a 'bargain' they might otherwise appear to be.

 

[gaz love x]

Im trying to figure out why we would even entertain Baldwin with a pick, our forward line is stacked as it is unless its for the future and even then he's more likely to want to move back to Adelaide if his knees hold up just dont see us going that way, now Ford i would take at 27 no questions asked, could be the steal of the draft.

It's hard to imagine any draftee improving us next season unless we maybe got an elite small forward somehow (and I really don't want us to draft another small forward this year). So any pick is for the future and we only have Sav as a potential long term tall forward (Krueger and Jarvis more third talls really) and his progress hasn't been thrilling me recently.

 

[Grimoz]

It's hard to imagine any draftee improving us next season unless we maybe got an elite small forward somehow (and I really don't want us to draft another small forward this year). So any pick is for the future and we only have Sav as a potential long term tall forward (Krueger and Jarvis more third talls really) and his progress hasn't been thrilling me recently.

No draftee will get a game for us next year regardless of how good they are so it would have to be looking towards the future, this is why I'd love to get Ford, has the potential to be a really good player, dont want to burn 2 years on Baldwin while (IF) he gets himself right, have done that in the past with Cowan and Menzel and they ended up staying way longer than they should have.

 

[Vdubs]

I get the whole Oliver Henry being a good prospect as I have said before, I think he will be a better player from day 1 than Jack. However, does he project well in a position of need? Or does he create more of a log jam at the medium defender position with Kolo, Jack and Stewart? Can't see us rolling with four medium defenders and say O'Connor and Clark. It would be a defense of basically the same sized player and out of those six not sure who misses out. Our defensive group is also not that old if you look at those players. Also, not sure he projects particularly well outside defense or who you actually leave out of that group especially when SDK will have to get a spot there.

Not sure he fits what we need but I suppose it depends where he falls to, for example, I could see him slipping to 20s based on positional need but the order could change a fair bit on draft night. Think there are a lot more areas where we need players. I suppose it all depends on the cost, if he slid to 20s, yeah, its probably worth it especially if its hard to trade away picks after 15 but I wouldn't be doing a deal with say Essendon to get him.

He is still growing, and quite a talent. No 18 yo kid gets picked to fill a need straight off. And he could be a KB/KF, like Taylor was. That certainly is an area of need. Taylor gone, Hendo soon to go. Swing players are not that common. And his pedigree- crucial. A young gun that is desperate to play for GFC.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Im trying to figure out why we would even entertain Baldwin with a pick, our forward line is stacked as it is unless its for the future and even then he's more likely to want to move back to Adelaide if his knees hold up just dont see us going that way, now Ford i would take at 27 no questions asked, could be the steal of the draft.

I mean jenkins will retire after next year hawk probably only has 2-3 years left so drafting a key forward now isnt a bad idea. Depends on whether we see kreuger as a forward or a back long term.

I do really rate ford though.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Wouldn't that be classed as draft tampering?

Only if you can prove it-see jack darling

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[Pure_Ownage]

I get the whole Oliver Henry being a good prospect as I have said before, I think he will be a better player from day 1 than Jack. However, does he project well in a position of need? Or does he create more of a log jam at the medium defender position with Kolo, Jack and Stewart? Can't see us rolling with four medium defenders and say O'Connor and Clark. It would be a defense of basically the same sized player and out of those six not sure who misses out. Our defensive group is also not that old if you look at those players. Also, not sure he projects particularly well outside defense or who you actually leave out of that group especially when SDK will have to get a spot there.

Not sure he fits what we need but I suppose it depends where he falls to, for example, I could see him slipping to 20s based on positional need but the order could change a fair bit on draft night. Think there are a lot more areas where we need players. I suppose it all depends on the cost, if he slid to 20s, yeah, its probably worth it especially if its hard to trade away picks after 15 but I wouldn't be doing a deal with say Essendon to get him.

I do agree thats an issue but i think the appeal with henry long term is he is positionally versatile-back forward wing or maybe even midfield once he puts weight on so he could slot in almostanywhere.

Depends how we rate him..if he isnt top 15 we wont trade up to get him regardless of his brother..if we rate him that highly then we might.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I get the feeling that the whole Henry thing is only being inflated because he is Jacks brother, i haven't seen much of him to be honest but I think if Jack wasn't playing for us there wouldn't be so much talk about us wanting to get him.

I honestly think he will be a much better player than jack on what ive seen and read..its more about whether we think he fills a need and whether we can get him or not.

 

[calder_daddy]

IMO if we’re trading up into the first round it’s not to take Henry.
He’s already signed for Geelong in 2023

 

[ibuprofen]

Where do people actually think he will play? As I've read suggestions on this board that he can play everywhere basically except ruck.

I tend to think he will be primarily a behind the ball defensive mark who can create a bit off the back line. He seems to be a decent mark and have a bit more dash and ability to dispose of the ball. I'm not sure some of these traits translate well into other positions where I think he would be very good in that position. In fact, I think he could be elite in that role.

I don't think he has the ten cm growth to be a KPP like some think nor do I think the marking ability translates well for a midfielder. You could use him there but then you take away a strength of his and I'm not sure he has the accumulation ability to play midfield.

 

[CatsDoItBetter]

Henry might become a very good player but I still think it’d be a risk to trade up to far to get him. And the idea he will come to geelong isn’t necessarily true. It’d be a while before he got consistent games at geelong anyway. And in that time who knows where the team is at. I think 18 and wanting to live the dream of playing for the club you support is strong. But once you get a bit older and realise you need to make decisions that’ll impact the rest of your life I think you probably think about it differently.

 

[Turbocat]

Not our R2 in the 30s but essendon FR2 in the 20s plus maybe a late sweetener would maybe get you a pick in the teens (richmond)..but if henry is gone we might not do it unless someone we really rate is still there. I have little doubt if henry slides we will do that sort of trade but i think its unlikely he does.

Yeah get that ..100% agree

 

[Grimoz]

Only if you can prove it-see jack darling

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True, still a pretty shit and desperate tactic by WC if that's the case.

 

[year of the cat]

I get the whole Oliver Henry being a good prospect as I have said before, I think he will be a better player from day 1 than Jack. However, does he project well in a position of need? Or does he create more of a log jam at the medium defender position with Kolo, Jack and Stewart? Can't see us rolling with four medium defenders and say O'Connor and Clark. It would be a defense of basically the same sized player and out of those six not sure who misses out. Our defensive group is also not that old if you look at those players. Also, not sure he projects particularly well outside defense or who you actually leave out of that group especially when SDK will have to get a spot there.

Not sure he fits what we need but I suppose it depends where he falls to, for example, I could see him slipping to 20s based on positional need but the order could change a fair bit on draft night. Think there are a lot more areas where we need players. I suppose it all depends on the cost, if he slid to 20s, yeah, its probably worth it especially if its hard to trade away picks after 15 but I wouldn't be doing a deal with say Essendon to get him.

I agree. Don't reckon he's worth busting a gut for. Reminds me a bit of Gary Rohan

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Gary Rohan

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in his draft year. Looks exciting but a low possession player.