Rumour GFC 2022 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists PT2

[CatToTheFuture]

Listening to it again, that actually went even better than I thought, haha. I thought I was actually a lot meaner, but it actually just sounded pragmatic and easy going.

I did love how Rendell basically had nothing to say to any of it, and pretty much agreed with everything I said - which was unexpected, haha.

Shows he's just doing s**t for clicks and controversy, and doesn't stand by what he's said at all - which is the exact reason I called in, was to see if he would double down on his claims with evidence, or just run in the other direction from them (shocker, it was the latter)

Which part of trade radio did you go on? I want to find it

 

[Shadow89]

Which part of trade radio did you go on? I want to find it

Will tag ya in the post that tragicforces posted it in

 

[CatRiot]

Was watching McKenzie, he reminds me a bit of Cam Guthrie or maybe like a smaller version of Joel Corey

Joel Corey

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42

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Mid

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Last 5

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22.4

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11.5

4star

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11.0

5star

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4.0

4star

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4.1

5star

CL

3.9

5star

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12.4

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7.8

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4.6

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2.2

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. Seems very handball happy in traffic, which is why I thought of Corey. Not a bad player, but I think maybe Humphrey is the better player. As a pure midfielder only, then Clark is the best of those three prospects. Think Humphrey is the better player to target given the type of smaller/mid sized mids we have or are bringing in. Just have a feeling the club really wants Clark though.

 

[Shadow89]

19 min mark re Ollie Henry discussion.

CatToTheFuture - starts at around 18:45 in

 

[CoolCat75]

CatToTheFuture - starts at around 18:45 in

Link doesn’t work. What is the name of the episode?


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[Shadow89]

Link doesn’t work. What is the name of the episode?


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Click on the tragicforces' name to take you back to the original post and then just press play - should work then

It it doesn't work, it was on the late trade, 06/10

 

[CatToTheFuture]

CatToTheFuture - starts at around 18:45 in

Sounds like he knew he was getting caught out making s* up for headlines

 

[CoolCat75]

Listening to it again, that actually went even better than I thought, haha. I thought I was actually a lot meaner, but it actually just sounded pragmatic and easy going.

I did love how Rendell basically had nothing to say to any of it, and pretty much agreed with everything I said - which was unexpected, haha.

Shows he's just doing s**t for clicks and controversy, and doesn't stand by what he's said at all - which is the exact reason I called in, was to see if he would double down on his claims with evidence, or just run in the other direction from them (shocker, it was the latter)

Found it, it’s called The Maccas Run - Day 9.

Great work Shadow. You called out Rendells BS and he folded like a cheap suit. He claimed he was being facetious, but if you listen to the episode labelled “Matt Rendell says Geelong are low-balling clubs”, he is acting like he is serious and has inside knowledge.


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[Shadow89]

Sounds like he knew he was getting caught out making s* up for headlines

Spot on. That's why I called in, because I wanted to see if he could back it up - which he did the exact opposite of

 

[Shadow89]

Found it, it’s called The Maccas Run - Day 9.

Great work Shadow. You called out Rendells BS and he folded like a cheap suit. He claimed he was being facetious, but if you listen to the episode labelled “Matt Rendell says Geelong are low-balling clubs”, he is acting like he is serious and has inside knowledge.


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Such a politician thing to do. Put the BS out there and let it spread like wildfire...but the actual backtracking of your initial claim...crickets.

As I've said before, he's basically a drunk at the local pub lol. Full of tall tales and self-importance, and not much else

 

[catstragic]

Dan McStay but he he didn't

Mcstay is degoing and Degoey is mcstaying

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Good summary. Just semantics but GC would be out pick 7 as well.

Ah yes forgot that very important detail!

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Think broader I reckon.

Ratugolea, reportedly, wants to get Port

Junior Rioli wants to get to Port

Geelong wants a FR2 for the Bowes + 7 deal

Geelong sends Ratugolea to Port & Pick 38 to West Coast

West Coast send Rioli to Port & a FR2 to Geelong

Port sends pick 33 to West Coast & Pick 48 to Geelong

Port
Gain: Ratugolea & Rioli
Lose: Picks 33 & 48

Geelong:
Gain: Pick 48 & FR2
Lose: Ratugolea & Pick 38

West Coast:
Gain: Picks 33 & 38
Lose: Rioli & FR2


Just spit-balling to try and find that FR2.

West coast will be bottom 6 next year though so that future 2nd is early 20s. So they wont do that deal without more added in to appease them (say a current or future 3rd etc). I like the concept though.

 

[Brewskies]

Thats the logical answer if sav picked another club but port cant trade their fr2 (assuming f1 goes on jhf) without afl approval. Barring an unrelated club coming in offering to broker the deal with a future 2nd, i reckon gws is our best chance of making it work. Brisbane might be circuit breaker if they are willing to trade down again.

E.g.
Geel out 18, 2023 1st, 2023 2nd (coll via gws), 38, esava, 48, 55
Geel in Bowes, 7, bruhn, henry

Gws out 2023 2nd (tied to coll), bruhn
Gws in 2023 1st (geel), 25 (bris)

Coll out Henry
Coll in 18

Gc out bowes
Gc in 2023 r2 (coll via gws)

Bris out 25
Bris in 33, 38, 55

Port out 33
Port In 48 esava

Getting an extra pick inside 25 (would give gws 5 picks inside 25) might be enough to get them to release the future 2nd to grease the wheels on everything else.
Port get sav without trading future 2nd (which they cant)
Brisbane get points (can offer 21 and fr1 for dunkley and still have the points to cover ashcroft)
Gc get their desired future
Coll get fair value on henry
You might need to flick later pick swaps around (particularly to satisfy dogs for dunkley or to keep bris happy enough to do it) but something like that could work.
Would leave us 7, 58, 64, and our future 2nd 3rd and 4th next yr.

Put it this way unless sav decides on a club like st kilda (who can give us fr2) i reckon there will be 3 or 4 clubs involved to get us the desired fr2.

Is it me or are we giving up Esava 38,48 & 55 in that trade to get an extra second for Bowes. I know we don't need those picks but I would try and get another pick or two in futures for all that even if 3rd round.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Found it, it’s called The Maccas Run - Day 9.

Great work Shadow. You called out Rendells BS and he folded like a cheap suit. He claimed he was being facetious, but if you listen to the episode labelled “Matt Rendell says Geelong are low-balling clubs”, he is acting like he is serious and has inside knowledge.


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It wouldnt shock me if they are looking to lowball GWS after they matched the cameron trade years ago and feel some bad blood around that between the clubs.

Probably was not the smartest move from GWS given they are not a destination club and we are currently perceived as one to go trying to hardball us.

Can easily see mackie and wells repaying the favour with a big F u smile on their face with a few lowball offers for runaway players

 

[dazbroncos]

Can’t see PIES or GWS waking away from a Rd1 pick each for players not in their best 22

Sure the could prob hold out for more… but they won’t get it. Just like we’d luv to keep the Rd1 picks but we won’t be able to.

Whilst the urgency to trade is not there… the posing and posturing will continue
Then when the click ticks down it will get done.

As for SAV.. I’d like him to sta my but if wants to move we will make it happen - we always do just about.

And getting a fr2 is perfect… or something like that we can use next year as well be light on kick wise in 23.

Go Catters

 

[bombersboy]

If all these deals don’t get done is Mackie going to come out of this as out of his depth?

I thought we paid overs for Cameron but the proof was in the pudding - a flag.

 

[Turbocat]

I'm opposite Grimoz; would prioritize Bruhn over Oh Henry - but I reckon we'll land both.

I'm Henry first then Bruhn.

If we are focused on Clark in draft..we are really cramming our midfild. I think we probably do not need Bruhn and Clark. The idea of CLark was a pipe dream for most of the year. ...but we are committed to him ...so we will not drop away

Get Bowes done, get Henry done 18 and something back. look at other trades...Maybe Sav is a 3 way.

Another factor about Bruhn is midfild players we have ...see chances slipping. Already we can see what its done with Stephens being mentioned..but if I was Ess ..with Cap space and and need id be going hard at a couple on our list to shake someone loose.That place looks a rabble but Brad Scott will present well.


What happens sometimes is when players are named it starts them thinking. Maybe that works with Pear as well.

Maybe a couple of players at Port look at there options and they gain a Fr2 but its going to take time. Lock in the trades we can do ..put those in the pocket. both represent value .

My guess when it comes down to it, GWS move on what they will take... they have that many picks coming in ..Bruhn is almost an after thought. They might not like it , maybe we say its a little bitt... remember when you matched a FA? Maybe we tell them we catch them next time... Thats if a player ever wanst to move to them.

 

[Turbocat]

Its been said that Rendell made it up.

Listening to the podcast...im no sure he said that. He said that his rhetoric around Mackie.... was taken too seriously etc. Clubs wanting him out etc


He agreed that it may well be an opening move..

 

[Turbocat]

19 min mark re Ollie Henry discussion.

Thanks for that

 

[year of the cat]

Was watching McKenzie, he reminds me a bit of Cam Guthrie or maybe like a smaller version of Joel Corey. Seems very handball happy in traffic, which is why I thought of Corey. Not a bad player, but I think maybe Humphrey is the better player. As a pure midfielder only, then Clark is the best of those three prospects. Think Humphrey is the better player to target given the type of smaller/mid sized mids we have or are bringing in. Just have a feeling the club really wants Clark though.

Humphrey’s poor kicking disqualifies him from being taken at 7 for me. I’d be going Clark, McKenzie, Phillipou in front of him in that order.

 

[Turbocat]

I


Nah that wasn’t me, that was Tom before me who sounded like he was in a hostage situation, haha.
I was the one afterwards who let Rendell have it over his comments, and the other host was going on about the word ‘postulate’

I have to ask whats the standard of education these days when the host had not heard of the word postulate ...


I think you sucker punched him... You started with defending Mackie almost from an emotional POV ..

but then came with the Clark trade .(facts).. and hit him so hard ...the host felt the need to defend Rendell.


For mine id be happy if had not added sauce to it.. and approached it the same as you did. Use his experience to cast an observation..instead odding the hyperbole about the negotiations.In his position , id just have said the trade will be a test of Mack or what ever ...but he climbed on for a preemptive judgement..just for the sake of juicing the goose.... and you nailed him with the type of common sence that someone with history should has shown. ... First move.. ambit claim etc... but instead came across like he was a Collingwood frontman



Well done. s89

 

[Turbocat]

This is my opinion on O Henry - and i did watch plenty of Collingwood especially the 2nd half of the year because i backed them @ $4 at one point for the top 4 - so there was a financial interest in watching them etc

He is only young - but this is my opinion which im entitled to -and it is only a football forum

My view ( and years down the track i could look like a complete idiot - hah - but im prepared to take that risk - hah ) - i think Henry is Shane Kersten mark 2

Kersten moved well - and could take a nice o/head mark - from memory he was a highly touted pick - top 10 was tipped - maybe even top 6-7 - but he drifted on draft night and the Cats i think got him with their 1st pick 15 to 18 or whatever

And i can even remember his 1st practise game for Geel - it was at KP -and he took this o/head mark - - and i thought this bloke is going to be fantastic - and Kersten did move well

And that is O Henry in my view - his tank is questionable - he cant chase and run down defenders - they can push him out of the way - but just like Kersten if he gets a clear run at it - he can take a ripper o/head mark

And thus i think just like Kersten he is a suuckers pick - he was in the Coll 2nds - and i dont buy this bulldust - oh put him in the Geel system and he will improve - the only thing i will grant their - and it also applies to Bowes - is Geel historically win alot of games of football - so given that fact - those 2 players are in the best possible position to excel as footballers - simply because they are playing for Geel - who win alot of games

Respectful discussion with a difference of opinion is what this site should be all about.

For mine Henry is very different to Kersten but time will tell.

 

[Turbocat]

Humphrey’s poor kicking disqualifies him from being taken at 7 for me. I’d be going Clark, McKenzie, Phillipou in front of him in that order.

Kicking is a problem for sure. Is it a case of what he does poorly excluding im.. or what he does well elevating him. Id take him and try to work on the kicking as something you can improve, im not sure you can add the other suff to some players .... but I have a feeling we will not have to worry. Clark is the one we want

I have not sudied Phillopou closly but on one view his kick did not impress either. MY concern on non vic kids would probably seem me not take him. MacKenzie is not going before 7 ..and if Clark is gone... it means someone earlier is there ..and if not MacKenzie would fit well.

So whats a reasonable group of names... AShcroft, Wardlaw , Tsatis , Sheezel , Cadman , Humpfrey , Clark , Mackenzie ... one of these would be there at 7

 

[bulletproof]

Respectful discussion with a difference of opinion is what this site should be all about.

For mine Henry is very different to Kersten but time will tell.

Kersten was pure lead and mark, straight line. Had no leap or agility. Could look good if delivery was good.

Henry has already shown more tricks in two years. Poor example.