Rumour GFC 2024 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 2

[cats_09]

Ask and we'll try our best to assist - so here's 2024 Provisional AFL Draft Order

As normal, would like to acknowledge & thank Lore for creating this, keeping it up to date and making it available for all users on BF to use and keep track of the picks ahead of the upcoming draft





I'll also sticky this post to ensure it's easily accessible for discussion of our hypothetical trader


Also,

2024 Free Agency Period​

The AFL introduced free agency at the end of the 2012 season, giving players another vehicle where they can transfer from one club to another. Free agency is a common form of player movement in major football and sporting codes around the world.

Free Agency Opens: Friday October 4 at 9.00am
Free Agency Closes: Friday October 11 at 5.00pm

Continental Tyres AFL Trade Period​

Trade Period Opens: Monday October 7 at 9.00am
Trade Period Closes: Wednesday October 16 at 7.30pm

 

[Klink]

The thing with Darcy (I don't want him) is that even if Freo kicked in money for his current contract, ala Pies-Grundy, the man himself clearly doesn't want to move.

You don't sign a massive deal until the end of 2030 just 12-months ago, if you aren't seriously invested in the club and the location.

He has clearly established himself in WA and made it home. He obviously likes living there and has committed to remaining there for a long time.

That ship has sailed for so many different reasons.

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[Pure_Ownage]

Repeat after me: there are no rucks that are ready, available and will make any difference to our success. ROB is not the answer to our prayers, in the same way McIntosh and Ceglar were not.

Even if that were true (and i dont think it is) youre missing the point. That issue is about whether we can find the answer or not (ie whether theres a good enough ruck thats gettable).
Your other comments (and everyone elses on the topic) are saying we dont need a solution in the first place because of what else we have on the list.

Which as i pointed out is not true because we dont have the quality (in ruck) on the list now in the same way we didnt have it in 2012 either.
If you dont want to trade anyone in because you dont like whats on the market thats fine.
But be honest about the fact that we need a quality ruck and its an area of our list we have mismanged.
Dont lie about it and pretend we dont need a solution when we do (and i expect that same standard from the club not just the supporters so im not having a crack at you personally its more the broader messaging the club puts forward on the subject that im challenging).
Its very clear what we need and what we dont have.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Pure_Ownage would you be happy with Reidy as a ruck from Fremantle as the back up?

I think he has some potential (and he will clearly leave now if darcy doesnt which he wont) and he will be cheap. He wouldnt be my first choice but id trade him in over getting no one in-put it that way.

 

[BORIS332]

Even if that were true (and i dont think it is) youre missing the point. That issue is about whether we can find the answer or not (ie whether theres a good enough ruck thats gettable).
Your other comments (and everyone elses on the topic) are saying we dont need a solution in the first place because of what else we have on the list.

Which as i pointed out is not true because we dont have the quality (in ruck) on the list now in the same way we didnt have it in 2012 either.
If you dont want to trade anyone in because you dont like whats on the market thats fine.
But be honest about the fact that we need a quality ruck and its an area of our list we have mismanged.
Dont lie about it and pretend we dont need a solution when we do (and i expect that same standard from the club not just the supporters so im not having a crack at you personally its more the broader messaging the club puts forward on the subject that im challenging).
Its very clear what we need and what we dont have.

Conway, SDK and Blicavs is fine. It's not Gawn/Xerri, but it's fine. And there is not a good enough ruck that is gettable, that is fact. So, let's not just add list cloggers like ROB to our list for the sake of it. Doing that will take VFL experience away from blokes like Edwards and Furphy who have shown real promise.

 

[frggr]

I think if we were to try and find a new ruck we should be looking around for someone with the profile of Briggs or Xerri, both only 201cm tall but built like absolute brick shithouses. They seldom get smashed in hitouts but provide a lot around the ground physically.
Its like the opposite to a Blicavs, who is about 198cm but is more of an athlete around the ground than these two. But Xerri and specifically Briggs hit contests harder and make their size known.

Its also a really good alternative to a Conway, who if he comes along is a skilled, mobile tap ruck whereas a Briggs etc are wrecking ball rucks.

The only other ruck I could think of having a punt at who is on an AFL squad would be Moyle from the Suns, be interesting if King rates him and mentions him as ruck insurance for Conroy.

Or we go to the VFL/SANFL and hope to find an experienced body to bring in for Stanley.

Reckon we could get Shane Mumford to pull on the boots?

 

[Gunf]

In an ideal world Conway plays 18+ games next year and we use Blics/SDK/Neale and maybe even Furphy to round out the rest.

Edwards has potential but is nowhere near ready and could destroy him playing him to early think 2026 we could start giving him games every now and again.

The problem is we don't live in an ideal world so those players will need to cover 10+ games instead of 6
Are we comfortable with that?? If yes rucks stocks are fine.. If no we would need to bring in a ruck who could help with that even if it is only for 3-5 games as back up.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Conway, SDK and Blicavs is fine. It's not Gawn/Xerri, but it's fine. And there is not a good enough ruck that is gettable, that is fact. So, let's not just add list cloggers like ROB to our list for the sake of it. Doing that will take VFL experience away from blokes like Edwards and Furphy who have shown real promise.

It isnt fine at all.
The first one is almost as physically done as simpson was after 2013.
The 2nd one is our full back and the 3rd is 34.

If your position is dont add a ruck unless they are clear A grade i can accept that but what we have is absolutely not fine. Thats fact. We would not still be rolling out a physically finished stanley (which is not his fault) if what we had was anywhere near fine.

 

[BORIS332]

It isnt fine at all.
The first one is almost as physically done as simpson was after 2013.
The 2nd one is our full back and the 3rd is 34.

If your position is dont add a ruck unless they are clear A grade i can accept that but what we have is absolutely not fine. Thats fact. We would not still be rolling out a physically finished stanley (which is not his fault) if what we had was anywhere near fine.

The bolded is your MO. Making wild claims with absolutely no substance, e.g. Mannagh will request a trade at the end of the year. There’s always this undercurrent of “the sky will fall in if we don’t recruit X position”, the past few years it’s been a KPD, now it’s a ruck.

There’s 23 players that take the field, what matters is system, not individual positions. Hence why we prioritise position flexibility. Our ruck department is fine, our KPD personnel is fine. We have a huge core of players coming through in the under 25 age group, all that matters is they keep developing.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

The bolded is your MO. Making wild claims with absolutely no substance, e.g. Mannagh will request a trade at the end of the year. There’s always this undercurrent of “the sky will fall in if we don’t recruit X position”, the past few years it’s been a KPD, now it’s a ruck.

There’s 23 players that take the field, what matters is system, not individual positions. Hence why we prioritise position flexibility. Our ruck department is fine, our KPD personnel is fine. We have a huge core of players coming through in the under 25 age group, all that matters is they keep developing.

Theres plenty of substance to it.
This is the 2nd major injury conway has had since he was drafted. Lower leg injuries in rucks can be career enders (depending on other factors).
Conway is already coming from a fair way back fitness wise (not talent) so this becomes a big question mark.

As to your 2nd point you fail to understand the difference between specialist and interchangeable positions. Flexibility in midfielders or small forwards that are hybrids and can play mid is great (especially with interchange caps it means you can bat deeper without sacrificing interchange numbers for later in the game). Same with your wingers because the running load is far bigger than it was 5 years ago. But 1st ruck is still largely a specialist position for most clubs as is FB which is where clubs focus on specialist capacity over multi positionality. The smart ones also focus on durability along with talent (and make sure they have decent options to cover injuries) as rucks kpds and kpfs carry a much bigger physical load.

Its no good having 5 players on your list that happens to be ruck height if they dont have the specialist skill or the durability to play ruck week in and out-which is the problem we have.

I notice in all of this you didnt actually bother to address the question of how you think what we have is adequate. You can launch unfounded personal attacks on me all you feel like but that says more about you than it does about me.

 

[CHAWKTS]

In fairness you put the same amount of study into fluid mechanics they'll call you doctor

A Doctorate in Gender studies is now all of the rage - so I am not begrudging ROB his future title!

 

[BORIS332]

I notice in all of this you didnt actually bother to address the question of how you think what we have is adequate. You can launch unfounded personal attacks on me all you feel like but that says more about you than it does about me.

Our ruck options:

1. Conway
2. Stanley
3. SDK
4. Blicavs
5. Furphy
6. Edwards

The top four are all adequate. "How think they're adequate?" - because they are all around 200cm or taller, they are all mature bodies, they all provide a contest in the ruck and around the ground, their skills are passable, and they are all mobile and have decent running power. That is adequate.

 

[gogeelongcats]

Our ruck options:

1. Conway
2. Stanley
3. SDK
4. Blicavs
5. Furphy
6. Edwards

The top four are all adequate. "How think they're adequate?" - because they are all around 200cm or taller, they are all mature bodies, they all provide a contest in the ruck and around the ground, their skills are passable, and they are all mobile and have decent running power. That is adequate.

My opinion is........

• Conway has been unable to get on the park. He shows promise but has not delivered to date.
• Stanley was forced to play this year and will retire. Great servant of the club.
• SDK missing from the backline leaves a big hole. Kolo and Henry are unable to defend tall forwards. No good to weaken one area to reinforce another. SDK appears to have knee issues so, keeping him away from the crash and bash looks logical.
• Blicavs is on his last legs and is not the player he was. His impact has dropped off this year.
• Furphy and Edwards are unknown quantities and are not ready and certainly, Edwards has to bulk up. They both are injury-prone.

Whilst it is great to have flexibility, we need a core of players who can handle set positions.
We need reliable ruck support as what we have is not adequate. A durable Ruckman would be important insurance at the very least.

I think bolstering the midfield is just as important as getting a reliable Ruckman.

 

[And_ROOS]

Reckon we could get Shane Mumford to pull on the boots?

A young Shane Mumford would be ideal if one is out there. That second year at the Swans after he left us where he was averaging 34 hit outs, 5 tackles and throwing himself around and being an all around shit would be very handy. Blicavs to be the athletic ruck, and a good ol' fashioned wreckingball ruck.

 

[Mattlock]

I really think we need a stable mature ruck for next year. Blicavs doesn't ruck anymore and Stanley will retire. We need someone to carry us while the young ones get their time.

I fear if Conway is expected to be the number 1 next year without this assistance then he will break down and we will regret it.

 

[Klink]

I really think we need a stable mature ruck for next year. Blicavs doesn't ruck anymore and Stanley will retire. We need someone to carry us while the young ones get their time.

I fear if Conway is expected to be the number 1 next year without this assistance then he will break down and we will regret it.

PO would like this post 100 times if they could.

I have to say, I agree..

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[Mattlock]

PO would like this post 100 times if they could.

I have to say, I agree..

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I just don't see it any other way. Conway looks like he could be anything, but we won't know if we expect him to ruck full time in his early 20s.

 

[Klink]

I just don't see it any other way. Conway looks like he could be anything, but we won't know if we expect him to ruck full time in his early 20s.

I agree. His foot injuries are very concerning, too. We need another mature body as a bit of a stop-gap IMO.

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[calder_daddy]

18 pages about the same thing.

 

[D BRIDGE]

18 pages about the same thing.

Yeah we need.... something... anything.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Yeah we need.... something... anything.

If Smith is seen as a foregone conclusion then there's nothing to really talk about unfortunately.

Can't see us bringing in anything that really moves the needle outside of him, except for some underappreciated talent that we might be able to workshop into quality players.

Could be exciting, but doesn't warrant pages upon pages of discussion.

 

[Mr Meow]

Yeah we need.... something... anything.

It's fine to just not post in here when it's boring, too. Or even have a Turbo nap.

 

[FootyLad0]

It's fine to just not post in here when it's boring, too. Or even have a Turbo nap.

Breaking news

I just had a Turbo Nap

 

[Pure_Ownage]

If Smith is seen as a foregone conclusion then there's nothing to really talk about unfortunately.

Can't see us bringing in anything that really moves the needle outside of him, except for some underappreciated talent that we might be able to workshop into quality players.

Could be exciting, but doesn't warrant pages upon pages of discussion.

Depends on what you mean. We wont get smith and anyone else that costs a lot but most ruck trades are cheap (think r3) so we could absolutely do that and smith.

 

[foxdog50]

Pure_Ownage What's your thoughts? Or would you rather go someone older and mature?

Why Jenkins expects rival clubs to come for “the most unlucky player in the AFL” this off-season

“He’s an AFL ruckman from what I’ve seen.”

www.sen.com.au

 

[Catman]

Pure_Ownage What's your thoughts? Or would you rather go someone older and mature?

Why Jenkins expects rival clubs to come for “the most unlucky player in the AFL” this off-season

“He’s an AFL ruckman from what I’ve seen.”

www.sen.com.au

Would he want to come and continue to be a backup, should Conway get his body right?