Toast 2024 Carji Greeves

[cats_09]

Stolen off FB - so if the person who posted them there is on here, thank you

I haven't seen the top 20 at the end of the count, but here's the full leaderboard after round 18 (gives us a pretty good idea of how players were going)

Based on this, Dangerfield stormed home with some late season votes, and I'm going with Kolodjashnij finishing just outside the top 10 in about 11th or 12th place

 

[cats_09]

Much much better than solid. Our 2nd best defender by a margin across the season. There are three names in there he was clearly better than. Personally had him odds on for top 5 and a smoky for top 3.

Guthrie & Kolodjashnij clearly our most consistent and solid defenders across the season - I'm not at all surprised to see Zach finished 2nd spot and had him as the smokey to win, and same as you I'm surprised that Jake didn't finish top 10

I can't remember too many if any poor games from either of those 2 this season

 

[Seeds]

Jack's last 4 to 6 weeks was him back to his best

During the first half of the season it would have been a toss up between which player was getting more calls to be omitted to the VFL such was the indifference to their respective form - Jack Henry or Sam DK

Perhaps. Although i thought jack turned it around mid season. Not the last 6 weeks only.

Looking at coaches votes and 23 players from geelong recieved coaches votes this season. Kolo wasnt one of them. It shouldnt surprise he hasnt made top 10 given the coaches votes (and yes i am aware its a different system but if he isnt in the top 5-7 players on the ground in a single match its hard to see how he would get enough votes in the best and fairest.

 

[magic_johnson!]

The whole forward line makes it to the top ten, besides those that didn’t play the whole season (Neale, mannagh).

Only 2 or 3 midfielders which would be rare.

This seems an accurate reflection of the year.

 

[CHAWKTS]

Stolen off FB - so if the person who posted them there is on here, thank you

I haven't seen the top 20 at the end of the count, but here's the full leaderboard after round 18 (gives us a pretty good idea of how players were going)

Based on this, Dangerfield stormed home with some late season votes, and I'm going with Kolodjashnij finishing just outside the top 10 in about 11th or 12th place

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Ok.. so this makes me question my understanding of the voting system

As I understood it you get a rating out of 10 for each game but only get included if the coaches felt like you had a good impact on the game…

So in my brain that would mean you are surely getting over 5 out of 10 to pass the second test (ie. if you are rated at less than 5 out of 10 surely it doesn’t then count?). But we have lots of players with less than 10 total votes after 18 rounds? If Knevitt was rating 2 out of 10 for a game how does that count as having impact?

It seems like I have completely misunderstood the voting system. Maybe they rank each player out of 10 and then include them as 5,4,3,2,1 or something based on highest ratings???

Someone smarter than me please explain

 

[cats_09]

Ok.. so this makes me question my understanding of the voting system

As I understood it you get a rating out of 10 for each game but only get included if the coaches felt like you had a good impact on the game…

So in my brain that would mean you are surely getting over 5 out of 10 to pass the second test (ie. if you are rated at less than 5 out of 10 surely it doesn’t then count?). But we have lots of players with less than 10 total votes after 18 rounds? If Knevitt was rating 2 out of 10 for a game how does that count as having impact?

It seems like I have completely misunderstood the voting system. Maybe they rank each player out of 10 and then include them as 5,4,3,2,1 or something based on highest ratings???

Someone smarter than me please explain

You're correct and I can't explain the bold

How the voting works​

After each game, the Senior and Assistant Coaches review and rate each players performance on a scale of 0 to 10. Votes are only polled in games where a player’s performance has been deemed of a high quality by the coaching group. All matches are counted towards their final total.


I'm not quite sure how a 1, 2 or 3 vote game would be deemed "high quality"

 

[cats_09]

Question for the history buffs - Max Holmes turned 22 on 29 August

Was Selwood in 2010, the last time we had a B&F winner that young?

Also keeping in mind that Selwood turned 22 in May that year, meaning he played majority of the season as a 22yr old and not 21 as Max did

 

[Vdubs]

Question for the history buffs - Max Holmes turned 22 on 29 August

Was Selwood in 2010, the last time we had a B&F winner that young?

Also keeping in mind that Selwood turned 22 in May that year, meaning he played majority of the season as a 22yr old and not 21 as Max did

David Clarke snr won his first of 3 B & F at age 19. Won 3, runner up 4. Brilliant player.

Steven King won his first of 2 at age 21, also a great effort for a ruckman.

 

[Footy Smarts]

Question for the history buffs - Max Holmes turned 22 on 29 August

Was Selwood in 2010, the last time we had a B&F winner that young?

Also keeping in mind that Selwood turned 22 in May that year, meaning he played majority of the season as a 22yr old and not 21 as Max did

Yep Selwood and Holmes easily the youngest of the recent ones.

Steven King in 2000 didn't turn 22 until after the end of the season which is ridiculous for a ruck. Also possibly why his body was cooked by 25.

 

[cats_09]

Vdubs & Footy Smarts - thank you and much appreciated

 

[Zouz Kitty]

Next captain.

Was the General in the back pocket when Stewart was injured, then played in the midfield.

All those years where Zuthrie was made the whipping boy by doubters here.

Glorious for all supporters see him blossom, flourish + win second place

 

[TheEscapeClub]

Was the General in the back pocket when Stewart was injured, then played in the midfield.

All those years where Zuthrie was made the whipping boy by doubters here.

Glorious for all supporters see him blossom, flourish + win second place

I think his greatest asset is his temperament.

Stewart has a bad game and he spits the dummy and turns a bad game into a stinker.

 

[Zouz Kitty]

I think his greatest asset is his temperament.

Stewart has a bad game and he spits the dummy and turns a bad game into a stinker.

Did you hear Scott at the Carji talk about Hawkins?

Said he’s such a lovely bloke. Tuohy interjected “A teddy bear”, Scott agreed. Added he’s so kind + gentle, until he gets on to the ground + starts ripping heads off

 

[Zouz Kitty]

Sammy Moorfoot’s IG pix. Players adore him + his contribution to morale + Geelong is amazing.

 

[Vdubs]

I think his greatest asset is his temperament.

Stewart has a bad game and he spits the dummy and turns a bad game into a stinker.

Spot - on, and likely a good reason he is not the ideal candidate as skipper, but ZG is.

 

[cats_09]

 

[cats_09]

Our average age is skewed by Cameron & Stewart, and we had 3 of our top 5 under our average age

Carji Greeves Medal Top 10​

1. Max Holmes - 164 votes, 22yr
2. Zach Guthrie

39

Zach Guthrie

Age

26

Ht

188cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.0

3star

K

5.8

2star

HB

5.2

4star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

90.0

1star

D

7.0

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

1.0

1star

T

1.0

2star

MG

90.0

2star

D

10.4

3star

K

3.8

2star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.0

3star

T

1.6

4star

- 120 votes, 26yr
3. Jeremy Cameron

5

Jeremy Cameron

Age

31

Ht

196cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

5.4

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

2.6

5star

D

10.0

3star

K

7.1

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

4.6

4star

T

2.0

3star

G

1.9

5star

D

8.2

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

3.2

3star

M

4.6

5star

T

2.4

4star

G

2.0

5star

- 118 votes, 31yr
4. Tom Stewart - 117 votes, 31yr
5. Tyson Stengle

18

Tyson Stengle

Age

26

Ht

175cm

Wt

71kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.3

2star

K

5.8

2star

HB

3.5

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.1

4star

D

10.3

3star

K

5.3

2star

HB

5.0

3star

M

1.3

1star

T

2.0

3star

G

0.5

4star

D

8.8

3star

K

5.6

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.6

4star

G

1.6

5star

- 107 votes, 25yr
6. Gryan Miers

32

Gryan Miers

Age

25

Ht

179cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.4

4star

K

9.1

4star

HB

6.3

4star

M

4.1

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.1

4star

D

15.3

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

6.3

4star

M

4.6

4star

T

1.6

3star

G

0.9

4star

D

14.4

4star

K

8.4

4star

HB

6.0

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.2

4star

G

1.2

4star

- 95 votes, 25yr
7. Ollie Dempsey - 73 votes, 21yr
8. Ollie Henry - 69 votes, 22yr
9. Brad Close - 66 votes, 26yr
10. Patrick Dangerfield - 65 votes, 34yr


Being lazy and not using months (only whole years), the average age for our top 10 is 26.3yrs

 

[iameviljez]

David Clarke snr won his first of 3 B & F at age 19. Won 3, runner up 4. Brilliant player.

Steven King won his first of 2 at age 21, also a great effort for a ruckman.

Worth bearing in mind that it's much harder for young kids to come in and dominate now than it was in even Kingy's time, let alone Clarke's. I guess you could say that he got on the pyramid early...

With the increased fitness, size, and career longevity of modern footballers, it's extremely difficult for skinny kids to be competitive. Daicos and Reid are freaks.

 

[Vdubs]

Worth bearing in mind that it's much harder for young kids to come in and dominate now than it was in even Kingy's time, let alone Clarke's. I guess you could say that he got on the pyramid early...

With the increased fitness, size, and career longevity of modern footballers, it's extremely difficult for skinny kids to be competitive. Daicos and Reid are freaks.

Clarke was the shining light in a dismal time for GFC. A true and brilliant star.

 

[cats_09]

 

[Gunf]

Our average age is skewed by Cameron & Stewart, and we had 3 of our top 5 under our average age

Carji Greeves Medal Top 10​

1. Max Holmes - 164 votes, 22yr
2. Zach Guthrie - 120 votes, 26yr
3. Jeremy Cameron - 118 votes, 31yr
4. Tom Stewart - 117 votes, 31yr
5. Tyson Stengle - 107 votes, 25yr
6. Gryan Miers - 95 votes, 25yr
7. Ollie Dempsey - 73 votes, 21yr
8. Ollie Henry - 69 votes, 22yr
9. Brad Close - 66 votes, 26yr
10. Patrick Dangerfield - 65 votes, 34yr


Being lazy and not using months (only whole years), the average age for our top 10 is 26.3yrs

Hmm wonder what the average age of the top 10 would look like for all teams

 

[cats_09]

Hmm wonder what the average age of the top 10 would look like for all teams

Who wants to ask Swampy...

 

[Zouz Kitty]

Number 3 is my favourite

 

[iameviljez]

One thing I am surprised at is just how much Holmes won by.

Not because he wasn't streets ahead of our next best - frankly, he was - but because Geelong typically has had very, very close B&F counts, even back when Dangerfield or Gaz were clearly the best player at the club by a country mile.

 

[cats_09]

One thing I am surprised at is just how much Holmes won by.

Not because he wasn't streets ahead of our next best - frankly, he was - but because Geelong typically has had very, very close B&F counts, even back when Dangerfield or Gaz were clearly the best player at the club by a country mile.

Wonder if that's to do with a change in the voting system - players no longer receive votes in every game, only games they were deemed to play to a high enough standard in