Rumour GFC 2024 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 2

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Ask and we'll try our best to assist - so here's 2024 Provisional AFL Draft Order

As normal, would like to acknowledge & thank Lore for creating this, keeping it up to date and making it available for all users on BF to use and keep track of the picks ahead of the upcoming draft





I'll also sticky this post to ensure it's easily accessible for discussion of our hypothetical trader
 

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CatToTheFuture said:
Who won the Judd trade though?
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I would say West Coast won that trade.

I think Geelong will be better shaped in 2027 than what Carlton were in those early days. Bruhn, Holmes, Clark, Dempsey will all be approaching 100-150 games so a player like Reid could potentially walk into a midfield ready to explode.

It's a pointless discussion anyway. Realistically, a very long way off at this point in time.
 
Jumping Jack said:
Chris Scott gave a pretty good indication today in his press conference re Duncan and Rohan.

Stopped short of saying both would 100% be there next season, but seemed to indicate that contracts had been put in front of both. Rohan (when fit) has some assets (when fit) and still has his leg speed and marking for his size. And can impact games. Duncan I fear is cooked and might fall into the category of "I played on one year too many" if we assess this time next year.

If Duncan is best 22 next season I think we have problems.
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Slightly surprised at Rohan, not at all surprised on Duncan
 

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Willo_ said:
Some players just might prefer to slip away quietly when the time is done than make a big deal about it
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Given there's a number of posters on here who have only ever made a 'big deal' about Rhys when they're apparently losing their minds about his supposed underperformance, he might have simply decided that it's just not worth the collective angst the mere mention of his name invokes for some across the supporter base.

#communityservicemoment
#bennycassweseeyou
#onyarhys
#respect
 
Jumping Jack said:
Chris Scott gave a pretty good indication today in his press conference re Duncan and Rohan.

Stopped short of saying both would 100% be there next season, but seemed to indicate that contracts had been put in front of both. Rohan (when fit) has some assets (when fit) and still has his leg speed and marking for his size. And can impact games. Duncan I fear is cooked and might fall into the category of "I played on one year too many" if we assess this time next year.

If Duncan is best 22 next season I think we have problems.
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Disappointing re Rohan. Cooked to a crisp.
 
Jumping Jack said:
Chris Scott gave a pretty good indication today in his press conference re Duncan and Rohan.

Stopped short of saying both would 100% be there next season, but seemed to indicate that contracts had been put in front of both. Rohan (when fit) has some assets (when fit) and still has his leg speed and marking for his size. And can impact games. Duncan I fear is cooked and might fall into the category of "I played on one year too many" if we assess this time next year.

If Duncan is best 22 next season I think we have problems.
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Agreed.

He should be a 'break glass' only option.
 
Jumping Jack said:
Chris Scott gave a pretty good indication today in his press conference re Duncan and Rohan.

Stopped short of saying both would 100% be there next season, but seemed to indicate that contracts had been put in front of both. Rohan (when fit) has some assets (when fit) and still has his leg speed and marking for his size. And can impact games. Duncan I fear is cooked and might fall into the category of "I played on one year too many" if we assess this time next year.

If Duncan is best 22 next season I think we have problems.
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IF both Duncan & Rohan play on next season, I dare say it's on heavily reduced match time - utilising their experience to help with the development of the next generation but knowing they won't exactly be first choice selections

I doubt it's come into the Club's thinking, but Rohan is currently on 98 matches in the Hoops - so another 2 needed for potential F&S qualification. When I did the membership appreciation day earlier this season (match against Hawthorn at KP), we had Conway & Clohesy chat with us out on the ground, and Ted spoke highly of Rohan when he was playing VFL earlier this season - the professionalism he bought, his approach to matches, inclusion of the youngster etc. So if he was to play on next season, I get the impression he wouldn't feel himself above playing a development coaching role with the next gen


Meanwhile, Duncan is currently on 293 career games - another milestone that could come up early next season if he plays on. This one I could see as potentially coming into the thinking, though I could just as easily see him retire alongside his great mate, Hawk
 
jnrburger said:
When do we need to upgrade Mullin from CAT B to main list? (Or have I missed it?)



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Thinking that depends on whether 2022 is counted as his first year - it is when he had originally agreed to come out before deciding to stay in Ireland

Or if they decided to count 2023 as year 1

He'll have to be upgraded after his third season (though you can upgrade earlier) - so if we extra senior list spots this October, they may opt to upgrade him
 
cats_09 said:
IF both Duncan & Rohan play on next season, I dare say it's on heavily reduced match time - utilising their experience to help with the development of the next generation but knowing they won't exactly be first choice selections

I doubt it's come into the Club's thinking, but Rohan is currently on 98 matches in the Hoops - so another 2 needed for potential F&S qualification. When I did the membership appreciation day earlier this season (match against Hawthorn at KP), we had Conway & Clohesy chat with us out on the ground, and Ted spoke highly of Rohan when he was playing VFL earlier this season - the professionalism he bought, his approach to matches, inclusion of the youngster etc. So if he was to play on next season, I get the impression he wouldn't feel himself above playing a development coaching role with the next gen


Meanwhile, Duncan is currently on 293 career games - another milestone that could come up early next season if he plays on. This one I could see as potentially coming into the thinking, though I could just as easily see him retire alongside his great mate, Hawk
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It's a delicate balance, for sure. But if you've got a fair whack of senior players already committed to retire, it's not necessarily altogether wise to push a couple more out the door at the same time. As you say, if they're prepared to play a wider development role and front up in the seniors as and when required, I can see a role for either one or both on the list next year.

Unless Mackie and Wells have a couple of Lawson Mk. II's lined up for this year's draft, we'd be cutting loose proven players (albeit with limited shelf life) in favour of picks who are far more likely to be Cameron Taheny than Oliver Dempsey.

So I'll ultimately back the list management team to make the best call in the best interests of our long-term list prospects.

IWAMWT.
 

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pussygalore said:
I thought Rohan does his best ground work with the physio. I'm not sure how many quick goals he scored in that match but surely that alone qualifies for another season at our club.
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His former partner (and mother to his children) seriously dislikes this post.
 
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cats_09 said:
IF both Duncan & Rohan play on next season, I dare say it's on heavily reduced match time - utilising their experience to help with the development of the next generation but knowing they won't exactly be first choice selections

I doubt it's come into the Club's thinking, but Rohan is currently on 98 matches in the Hoops - so another 2 needed for potential F&S qualification. When I did the membership appreciation day earlier this season (match against Hawthorn at KP), we had Conway & Clohesy chat with us out on the ground, and Ted spoke highly of Rohan when he was playing VFL earlier this season - the professionalism he bought, his approach to matches, inclusion of the youngster etc. So if he was to play on next season, I get the impression he wouldn't feel himself above playing a development coaching role with the next gen


Meanwhile, Duncan is currently on 293 career games - another milestone that could come up early next season if he plays on. This one I could see as potentially coming into the thinking, though I could just as easily see him retire alongside his great mate, Hawk
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So Duncan could be on 296-297 games at the end of this season.

I'd be shocked if he wasn't useful for 5-10 games in 2025. If we delist Parfitt and Bews, then along with Hawkins, Tuohy and Stanley we would be 5 experienced rotations down on 2024. That's 51 games (and counting - so closer to 60 by the end of finals) from 2024 to fill.

It's naive to assume Cameron, Stewart, Dangerfield etc will play out full seasons. We can't take for granted that Humphries and Zuthrie will bang out 23 games each without any injuries.

Losing all of your old heads at once is how you fall in a heap. Staggering things is the correct method. Not just for on field, but off field reasons.
 
Mr Meow said:
So Duncan could be on 296-297 games at the end of this season.

I'd be shocked if he wasn't useful for 5-10 games in 2025. If we delist Parfitt and Bews, then along with Hawkins, Tuohy and Stanley we would be 5 experienced rotations down on 2024. That's 42 games (and counting - so close to 50 by the end of finals) from 2024 to fill.

It's naive to assume Cameron, Stewart, Dangerfield etc will play out full seasons. We can't take for granted that Humphries and Zuthrie will bang out 23 games each without any injuries.

Losing all of your old heads at once is how you fall in a heap. Staggering things is the correct method. Not just for on field, but off field reasons.
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Comes back to what would you prefer?

The experience, on and off-field coaching, and spasmodic brilliance of Mitch Duncan?

...Or pick 78 in the draft? Keep in mind we'll already be taking several picks just before then.

It's chalk and cheese. If we've got a Dempsey or Humphries stashed away then we'll find them regardless, we don't need the list spot and the token pick in expense of Duncan.

Finding the next Jake Tarca and giving him a two year deal over the one year deal that Duncan will command makes zero sense.
 
catempire said:
Duncan has played some very good footy this year. Clearly coming to the end but not the scrap heap. No issue giving him one more.
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The other factor in his favour is how much footy he's managed in 2024 without significant injury. He's already chalked up 19 matches and is likely to get at least 22 for the season from here. That's handy numbers for a player whose durability has been questioned a little in recent seasons.
 
Heckler said:
Season 2024 nears the end
Potentially see 5 Stars retire.
May also see 5 spuds delisted

Team Rebuilding required.
Knevitt : Mullin : O'Sullivan
Conway : Clark : Clohesy
Expected to step up in 2025

Shaping as Draft Pick No.15
Late 2nd rounder selection
Rest fall into Leftovers Land

Dog's Bailey Smith is coming
Need a tall strong midfielder
Phantom Draft Ranking No.18
Cooper Hynes 190 Mid/Fwd
Good ball user + Goal kicker
VIC : Dandenong Stingrays
Cooper Hynes Highlights

May need to consider trade
Kolo : As Trade Bait Worth??
Would attract serious interest
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Heard today from 2 separate sources that no club will go near smith as he's not well so to speak. Dogs will have to throw in plenty to offload him it seems
 
Scott is focused on getting his body right. I BELIEVE THERE IS NO HOPE HE STAYS. Interesting article. https://archive.vn/B3rpV#selection-1695.0-1742.0
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Bailey Smith says he’s focused on injury rehab, not his future, amid trade speculation and links to Geelong​

Bailey Smith has spoken publicly for the first time on his football future as speculation ramps up he will ask Western Bulldogs to be traded at season’s end.
Injured Bulldogs star Bailey Smith claims he hasn’t considered his future at the club amid rampant speculation he will ask to be traded.
Speaking publicly for the first time about his plans beyond this year, Smith said he would not risk his health by trying to return to be part of a possible finals campaign.
The 23-year-old has been strongly linked with Geelong after Collingwood and Hawthorn were earlier touted as possible suitors.
Smith tore his ACL in mid-December last year, all but ending his hopes of playing this season and sparking rumours he had played his last game for the Bulldogs.

“I haven’t paid any attention to anything other than my health at the minute and then supporting the boys – just focusing on the short-term, (the) here and now, which is GWS on Sunday and hopefully we get up,” Smith said.
“I don’t know when those (trade) conversations happen or if they do happen.”
The midfielder met Bulldogs fans in Ballarat on Friday, alongside the club’s AFLW star and former captain Ellie Blackburn.
Hundreds of supporters lined up in club gear to greet the pair, with the line stretching outside the shopping centre doors.
Following his knee injury, Smith said he was“feeling really good” and “fully fit” and that he was had started contact exercises as part of his rehab.
He said he had decided in conjuction with the Bulldogs that he would focus on his recovery rather than risk possible injury by returning this season.
“There were (discussions about playing again in 2024) early days, but then it’s more the risk versus reward of chasing a couple of games versus playing for another 10, 12 years,” he said.
“Initially I was really chasing to come back, but it’s just not worth the risk.”
Smith also spent time in Europe earlier in the year, which he said was “awesome, just mentally more than physically”.
“I still trained every day over there,” he said.
Last week, Bulldogs coach Luke Beveridge conceded that his confidence Smith would stay at the club had started to “wane” as he was yet to indicate he would sign a new contract.
But he added he wasn’t “resigned” to Smith’s future being elsewhere.
 
gogeelongcats said:
Scott is focused on getting his body right. I BELIEVE THERE IS NO HOPE HE STAYS. Interesting article. https://archive.vn/B3rpV#selection-1695.0-1742.0
(the link should work)

Bailey Smith says he’s focused on injury rehab, not his future, amid trade speculation and links to Geelong​

Bailey Smith has spoken publicly for the first time on his football future as speculation ramps up he will ask Western Bulldogs to be traded at season’s end.
Injured Bulldogs star Bailey Smith claims he hasn’t considered his future at the club amid rampant speculation he will ask to be traded.
Speaking publicly for the first time about his plans beyond this year, Smith said he would not risk his health by trying to return to be part of a possible finals campaign.
The 23-year-old has been strongly linked with Geelong after Collingwood and Hawthorn were earlier touted as possible suitors.
Smith tore his ACL in mid-December last year, all but ending his hopes of playing this season and sparking rumours he had played his last game for the Bulldogs.

“I haven’t paid any attention to anything other than my health at the minute and then supporting the boys – just focusing on the short-term, (the) here and now, which is GWS on Sunday and hopefully we get up,” Smith said.
“I don’t know when those (trade) conversations happen or if they do happen.”
The midfielder met Bulldogs fans in Ballarat on Friday, alongside the club’s AFLW star and former captain Ellie Blackburn.
Hundreds of supporters lined up in club gear to greet the pair, with the line stretching outside the shopping centre doors.
Following his knee injury, Smith said he was“feeling really good” and “fully fit” and that he was had started contact exercises as part of his rehab.
He said he had decided in conjuction with the Bulldogs that he would focus on his recovery rather than risk possible injury by returning this season.
“There were (discussions about playing again in 2024) early days, but then it’s more the risk versus reward of chasing a couple of games versus playing for another 10, 12 years,” he said.
“Initially I was really chasing to come back, but it’s just not worth the risk.”
Smith also spent time in Europe earlier in the year, which he said was “awesome, just mentally more than physically”.
“I still trained every day over there,” he said.
Last week, Bulldogs coach Luke Beveridge conceded that his confidence Smith would stay at the club had started to “wane” as he was yet to indicate he would sign a new contract.
But he added he wasn’t “resigned” to Smith’s future being elsewhere.
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For our sake, I really hope he's a better footballer than he is a liar.
 

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