Rumour GFC 2024 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 3

[cats_09]

Here's 2024 Provisional AFL Draft Order

Cheers to Lore for their hard work in setting this up, and making it available for all users on BF to use and keep track of the picks ahead of the upcoming draft - and please practice patience grasshoppers if it's not updated in the immediate aftermath of completed trade





I'll also sticky this post to ensure it's easily accessible for discussion of our hypothetical trader


Also,

2024 Draft and Trade Period Key Dates​

Oct 17 to Nov 8: Pick swap window
Nov 1 to Nov 8: Delisted free agency period
Nov 20-21: Telstra AFL Draft
Nov 22: Telstra Pre-Season Draft and Rookie Draft

 

[Turbocat]

Most think Stanley is probably close to being done...Is our plan to have Conway as our #1 ruck in 2025.

Id think he would be the youngest ruck in the comp by a substantial amount of years…for a team that is expected to be a finals participant. . He is currently equal 6th youngest on our list. That obviously change in a few weeks…

 

[Turbocat]

No, it was blown up for them

By the players leaving ?

 

[Turbocat]

Herbert has been really good this year and improved more than I thought he could.
The thing that gives me pause if he's playing MF is his size-we already have a lot of these around 180cm mids including bruhn and Atkins and clohesy and Clark and mullin etc. It would be nice to have some more height there which is why it would be good if knevitt comes on. I wonder if the mix works unless say Herbert comes in and phases Atkins out.
It's less of an issue if they are drafting him as a specialist back pocket.

But on effort he probably deserves a rookie list year like Atkins did when he started. But guys like pike fill more of a list need so it's a tough one.

Good questions..

I cant see I can visualise him. Can he play in front of the others we have … or push Atkins from the side? Seems like a lot of guys just on or over 6ft. With the increase potency of small forwardlines ..could he be that Bews replacement type down back.

 

[Hinkley29]

And you seem to be under some wonderful delusional where getting dropped from the worst team in the comp means nothing. You really think their coaching staff are dropping future stars while playing Dow, Cumberland, etc? The first year guys have time but they couldn't scream any louder that they don't rate the rest of them.

Maybe listen to the guys who see them every day?

What exactly am I supposed to be listening to?

The “guys” that you refer to aren’t saying anything.

 

[Zouz Kitty]

Most think Stanley is probably close to being done...Is our plan to have Conway as our #1 ruck in 2025.

Id think he would be the youngest ruck in the comp by a substantial amount of years…for a team that is expected to be a finals participant. . He is currently equal 6th youngest on our list. That obviously change in a few weeks…

Most importantly, which a few of us continually ‘TRY’ to emphasise, ‘CONSTANTLY‘, Conway’s development is now 18 months+ behind.

For some reason that fact is completely ignored!

Toby requires more time, 18 months+ to develop mass + agility, fitness + tank, before he has all the abilities to play ruck, full time.

How long do big guys, rucks + forwards take to hit their peak?

Toby’s DOB 24 April 2003 = 21yo now

Minus 18 months of injury = YOU DO MATHS

Toby is still two years away from playing AFL

Give him a break FF!!!

Totally support Toby playing AFL games, crucially contributes to development.

 

[Gee Class Loco]

Caprion?

Was Captain and played the loose 3rd man across very well and also puts his head over it.

Granted older - 27 i think - but we know that doesnt bother us.

Go Catters

Nah I was commenting on Herbert.

 

[Turbocat]

Most importantly, which a few of us continually ‘TRY’ to emphasise, ‘CONSTANTLY‘, Conway’s development is now 18 months+ behind.

For some reason that fact is completely ignored!

Toby requires more time, 18 months+ to develop mass + agility, fitness + tank, before he has all the abilities to play ruck, full time.

How long do big guys, rucks + forwards take to hit their peak?

Toby’s DOB 24 April 2003 = 21yo now

Minus 18 months of injury = YOU DO MATHS

Toby is still two years away from playing AFL

Give him a break FF!!!

Totally support Toby playing AFL games, crucially contributes to development.

I was not disparaging Conway… only saying he will be the youngest #1 ruck out of the teams that are most likely to be a contender….

 

[Turbocat]

Because like most of us I can ID talent.
Ryan hasnt shown much although to be fair talls take time. But his contract extension says more about their lack of talls than anything else.
Gibcus is very good but brittle.
Brown has shown a fair bit and will be a classy player.
Sonsie probably would have been delisted if they didn't have so many trade outs and ditto Dow and Ross. Those guys won't be on a list in a couple of years.
I liked Clarke as a junior but he's coming off an acl.
Ralpsmith is questionable and is a role player at best.
Kosi is a giant spud and was getting dropped by the end of the year.
I like Campbell and mcauliffe but some of their other younger guys like banks and green the jury is much out on.
Any other role players they have are older eg miller lefau and young are all 26. This is why they offered balta overs 7yrs to stay as the depth beneath him isn't there.

They have very little talent under 25 when you line up the names compared to what us and a lot of teams have.

Most of their best young talent isn't even drafted yet. They have a great hand this draft but even if 5 or 6 of them really come on they won't be competitive for at least 4or 5 years-and most of their better players over 25 will be in their twilight by then (taranto etc).

They really are not far from a dream team list build. If they trade out players next year as well they will have added talent but will be like an expansion club. It will be a study of sorts who makes the finals first …Rich or Tasmania.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

They really are not far from a dream team list build. If they trade out players next year as well they will have added talent but will be like an expansion club. It will be a study of sorts who makes the finals first …Rich or Tasmania.

I'm not sure i would call the position they're in a dream list build

 

[Footy Smarts]

Most importantly, which a few of us continually ‘TRY’ to emphasise, ‘CONSTANTLY‘, Conway’s development is now 18 months+ behind.

For some reason that fact is completely ignored!

Toby requires more time, 18 months+ to develop mass + agility, fitness + tank, before he has all the abilities to play ruck, full time.

How long do big guys, rucks + forwards take to hit their peak?

Toby’s DOB 24 April 2003 = 21yo now

Minus 18 months of injury = YOU DO MATHS

Toby is still two years away from playing AFL

Give him a break FF!!!

Totally support Toby playing AFL games, crucially contributes to development.

He is young and I doubt he'll be our number 1 come finals. It's a big ask for a 22 year old.

But he's had a lot of training in amongst the injuries the last couple of years so he shouldn't be that far back if he gets fit.

He was held back from playing a long time in 2023 when he was in full training. Then this year he had a full preseason and played through until mid season. He was back training by finals. So it's not like he's had an ACL and been off for 12+ months.

I expect the aim next year will be to see what SDK can do as number 1 ruck. Get games in to Conway to see where he's at which also limits the load on SDK. And have Stanley in the VFL but ready to step in when needed

 

[Turbocat]

I'm not sure i would call the position they're in a dream list build

Around the time that the Suns and the Giants were assembled , it was spoken about the list gifted and assembled as being a list managers dream. Going to a draft and not having to pick this mid or that kpf it was a damp dream for guys like Clayton.. It turned out to be more dreamteam or fantasy leauge team. Good in a theoretical name game… but not when you deal with flesh and blood. Those two clubs have basically have shown how flawed the concept of a big group of talent is most of the high end are used to be the stars… and its probable that they eventually look elsewhere.

In comparison to suns etc .. Richmond might be able to hold their drafted talent , it sounds great to just be a guts and plunder the draft but the mega tank is no certainty to work… as a good list build is a blend of types.

 

[Hamingja]

Around the time that the Suns and the Giants were assembled , it was spoken about the list gifted and assembled as being a list managers dream. Going to a draft and not having to pick this mid or that kpf it was a damp dream for guys like Clayton.. It turned out to be more dreamteam or fantasy leauge team. Good in a theoretical name game… but not when you deal with flesh and blood. Those two clubs have basically have shown how flawed the concept of a big group of talent is most of the high end are used to be the stars… and its probable that they eventually look elsewhere.

In comparison to suns etc .. Richmond might be able to hold their drafted talent , it sounds great to just be a guts and plunder the draft but the mega tank is no certainty to work… as a good list build is a blend of types.

If you have a big draft hand you just end up making non optimal decisions.

If you have 8 draft picks in the top 20 or whatever it is you are just never going to pick 8 midfielders for instance, even if that would be the best haul of young players available at your pick.

You are going to get cute and take the two best midfielders and then look at the best tall. The best tall busts and the third best midfielder becomes Joel Selwood.

End of the day they get one shot at it. If it ends up a poor draft in hindsight or they pick the wrong players, they end up the same as everyone else i.e only 2 picks in the top 40 in the draft. You can't bring the required volume of players in through the draft now to rebuild through the draft like that.

 

[iameviljez]

If you have a big draft hand you just end up making non optimal decisions.

If you have 8 draft picks in the top 20 or whatever it is you are just never going to pick 8 midfielders for instance, even if that would be the best haul of young players available at your pick.

You are going to get cute and take the two best midfielders and then look at the best tall. The best tall busts and the third best midfielder becomes Joel Selwood.

End of the day they get one shot at it. If it ends up a poor draft in hindsight or they pick the wrong players, they end up the same as everyone else i.e only 2 picks in the top 40 in the draft. You can't bring the required volume of players in through the draft now to rebuild through the draft like that.

There are plenty of teams that have nailed big draft hands - us (twice), Hawthorn, Dogs…