Rumour GFC 2024 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 3

[cats_09]

Here's 2024 Provisional AFL Draft Order

Cheers to Lore for their hard work in setting this up, and making it available for all users on BF to use and keep track of the picks ahead of the upcoming draft - and please practice patience grasshoppers if it's not updated in the immediate aftermath of completed trade





I'll also sticky this post to ensure it's easily accessible for discussion of our hypothetical trader


Also,

2024 Draft and Trade Period Key Dates​

Oct 17 to Nov 8: Pick swap window
Nov 1 to Nov 8: Delisted free agency period
Nov 20-21: Telstra AFL Draft
Nov 22: Telstra Pre-Season Draft and Rookie Draft

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Apologies if some has already asked this question.

I don’t follow how we have “3 INS” and 10 “outs”. We don’t have 7 picks in the draft as far as I know.

What are peoples thoughts on how we get a full squad?


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4 ND picks (unless we run with a bigger rookie list) and 3 rookie draft picks.

 

[cats_09]

Apologies if some has already asked this question.

I don’t follow how we have “3 INS” and 10 “outs”. We don’t have 7 picks in the draft as far as I know.

What are peoples thoughts on how we get a full squad?


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Senior list outs:
- Hawkins, Tuohy, Foster, Parfitt, Rohan & Willis

Rookie list Cat-A outs:
- Hardie, Jeka & Murdoch

Rookie list Cat-B out:
- Furphy


Senior list ins:
- Martin & Smith

Rookie list Cat-B in:
- Cillian Burke

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That all equates to our Cat-B rookie list spots being full

While we've got a bit of availability between our Senior list & Cat-A rookie spots, with 7 current vacancies there

We have more than sufficient draft picks for both the ND & rookie drafts to fill those spots - it's just that they aren't all top 50 picks; the doc at the top of the page lists 11 picks for us





The reality is that Clubs take as many draft picks into the ND as they vacant list spots - it's the key reason for Brisbane making the seemingly meaningless pick trade with Collingwood today because they wouldn't have taken pick 66 into the draft due to insufficient list spots

Trading two picks to jump up a couple of spots gives them extra points for now but they can always trade back on the night of they want

 

[ShadowCat]

Apologies if some has already asked this question.

I don’t follow how we have “3 INS” and 10 “outs”. We don’t have 7 picks in the draft as far as I know.

What are peoples thoughts on how we get a full squad?


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Touched on this a while back, but essentially my thoughts are:

OUT -

(Main list): Hawkins, Tuohy, Willis, Rohan, Foster, Parfitt
(Rookie list): Murdoch, Hardie, Jeka, Furphy

IN -

(Main list): B. Smith, J. Martin (4 spots remaining)
Rookie list): C. Murphy (3 Cat A spots remaining)

Hypothetical -

Future 1st traded for 15, 16, 18, 23 etc. - Shanahan, Hotton, J. Whitlock, Gerryn etc.

40 (wound back from 45 after bids) - Jacques

53'ish - J. Henderson (mature age pick)

60'ish - S. Davidson (mature age pick)

Rookie pick - Blakiston
Rookie pick - Geelong VFL pick up
Rookie pick - spot left open for SSP or MSD


Isn't too hard when you go through it like that. Many different variables, but it's a good draft to have spots open- given the evenness of it. Not to mention we excel at the back end anyway, with Wellsy at the helm.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

With the draft only 12 days away thought it would be interesting to see what your “realistic, ideal” draft would be?

For me I think it’s essential we target a couple of talls with our picks. Having lost Hawkins and Foster this area of our list requires replenishing. Other than that we could do with a ruck but I’d be waiting for the rookie draft to add a ruck to our list.

So for me I’d be trading our FF with one of Richmond’s late first rounders to secure Gerreyn who I see as a KPF with lots of scope for improvement.

Our next pick I’m hoping that either Jaques or Angus Clarke are available. Both good ball users, intercept marks, and smart decision makers. Probably leaning slightly towards Clarke with his extra height but happy to take either.

Our last 2 picks will be really determined by who’s left. Both late picks. I imagine one will be used on Jack Henderson based on the links we’ve heard.

Clancy Dennis would be a good tall defender to take if available with one of our last two picks. Other WA kids in Boxhall and Hayes are also attractive options late.

I'm not comfortable trading our FF nothing against this draft but just the risk of us missing finals next year. I can see why the club might do otherwise.

It's hard because a lot of players I would like I can see going in the 20s/30s.

I'd like Clarke at 45 and Jacques is good.
More likely someone like ough and I'd love it if Barrett got through.
Our later picks I reckon there's at least one kpf I'd certainly like nicholls.
I think at least one mature ager I hope it's henderson or bice.
I reckon we will take Blakiston or a similar ruck type either in the main or rookie draft.

 

[TheCattery2007]

Touched on this a while back, but essentially my thoughts are:

OUT -

(Main list): Hawkins, Tuohy, Willis, Rohan, Foster, Parfitt
(Rookie list): Murdoch, Hardie, Jeka, Furphy

IN -

(Main list): B. Smith, J. Martin (4 spots remaining)
Rookie list): C. Murphy (3 Cat A spots remaining)

Hypothetical -

Future 1st traded for 15, 16, 18, 23 etc. - Shanahan, Hotton, J. Whitlock, Gerryn etc.

40 (wound back from 45 after bids) - Jacques

53'ish - J. Henderson (mature age pick)

60'ish - S. Davidson (mature age pick)

Rookie pick - Blakiston
Rookie pick - Geelong VFL pick up
Rookie pick - spot left open for SSP or MSD


Isn't too hard when you go through it like that. Many different variables, but it's a good draft to have spots open- given the evenness of it. Not to mention we excel at the back end anyway, with Wellsy at the helm.

Ah, thanks, that makes perfect sense. Would be great if we can get into the first round.


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[Vdubs]

I'm not comfortable trading our FF nothing against this draft but just the risk of us missing finals next year. I can see why the club might do otherwise.

It's hard because a lot of players I would like I can see going in the 20s/30s.

I'd like Clarke at 45 and Jacques is good.
More likely someone like ough and I'd love it if Barrett got through.
Our later picks I reckon there's at least one kpf I'd certainly like nicholls.
I think at least one mature ager I hope it's henderson or bice.
I reckon we will take Blakiston or a similar ruck type either in the main or rookie draft.

Do you think there's any way we redraft any recently delisted players?

 

[D BRIDGE]

Ah, thanks, that makes perfect sense. Would be great if we can get into the first round.

Potentially.

There’s plenty of ways in which doing so could be the opposite of great.

We could pick a dud.

We could lose an early pick next year.

We might lose trade capital to bring in a player we like.

The main thing is picking a very good player if we trade back into the first round.

If we don’t… it’s not great at all.

If Holmes lightning strikes twice we will all be chuffed.

Only time will tell.

 

[Footy Smarts]

If Holmes lightning strikes twice we will all be chuffed.

Only after a whole heap of meltdowns first!

 

[cats_09]

Only after a whole heap of meltdowns first!

The first 3 or 4 pages of the Max Holmes thread on Cat Scan make for some great reading - thinking a few would be rather sheepish about some early comments that were made

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Do you think there's any way we redraft any recently delisted players?

Any of our delisted players? No I don't see that happening.

 

[BlakeyNoFlakey]

If the rumors are true that Zack Butters might be interested in coming to Geelong next year, then we will need to keep those future picks, so we have some capital to make a trade.

I don't know who the Cats will draft this year, but I trust our recruiting guys to do a good job. Their track record is pretty good.

 

[cats_09]

If the rumors are true that Zack Butters might be interested in coming to Geelong next year, then we will need to keep those future picks, so we have some capital to make a trade.

I don't know who the Cats will draft this year, but I trust our recruiting guys to do a good job. Their track record is pretty good.

LDU next year

Butters in 2026

No draft picks or trading required

 

[Vdubs]

LDU next year

Butters in 2026

No draft picks or trading required

and Reid?

 

[cats_09]

and Reid?

He's one we'd need to trade for

But I'm not sure he'll end up in the hoops - I think we all believe at this stage of proceedings that he's one who'll likely be offered crazy money and crazy long contract by some team and I just don't see that team being us

If he's happy to forgo the real crazy money then we should be all in for him, but they talk of him earning upwards of $2 million per season which I don't see us offering close to - and what percentage under that would he be happy to accept to play for Geelong?

 

[Lingsface]

Makes young Zuthrie look like Arnie Schwarzenegger

Yeah his mum was apparently pissed when she found out he had chopped up her matches!

 

[Lingsface]

Let’s go for Rowell! Can build around that first hands on the ball fishing to Smith, Bruhn and Holmes sounds very appealing!

 

[Two Planks]

The introduction of future pick trading being extended to 2 years will have an effect on clubs losing free agents. They are now way more likely to match and force a trade. For instance if Butters were to leave in 2 years time and Port were due a compensation pick of say pick 10, they would match and demand 3 first rounders from the club that are getting Butters. Maybe North would still opt for the pick 2-4 next year rather than 3 mid-late first rounders, but I think this will only get harder for the free agent chasing clubs, especially a club like Geelong who don't pay the highest possible salary.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

LDU next year

Butters in 2026

No draft picks or trading required

The former will stay at North I think and I bet the latter gets matched.

 

[BORIS332]

Apologies if some has already asked this question.

I don’t follow how we have “3 INS” and 10 “outs”. We don’t have 7 picks in the draft as far as I know.

What are peoples thoughts on how we get a full squad?


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It doesn’t really work like that (out vs in). We have to have 36-38 senior players and 6-8 rookies. We lost 6 senior players and 4 rookies. We’ve added two senior players (Bailey Smith & Jack Martin), and one rookie (Burke). I’ve lost track of our list numbers but I think we only need to add 4 at the national draft.

 

[BORIS332]

Touched on this a while back, but essentially my thoughts are:

OUT -

(Main list): Hawkins, Tuohy, Willis, Rohan, Foster, Parfitt
(Rookie list): Murdoch, Hardie, Jeka, Furphy

IN -

(Main list): B. Smith, J. Martin (4 spots remaining)
Rookie list): C. Murphy (3 Cat A spots remaining)

Hypothetical -

Future 1st traded for 15, 16, 18, 23 etc. - Shanahan, Hotton, J. Whitlock, Gerryn etc.

40 (wound back from 45 after bids) - Jacques

53'ish - J. Henderson (mature age pick)

60'ish - S. Davidson (mature age pick)

Rookie pick - Blakiston
Rookie pick - Geelong VFL pick up
Rookie pick - spot left open for SSP or MSD


Isn't too hard when you go through it like that. Many different variables, but it's a good draft to have spots open- given the evenness of it. Not to mention we excel at the back end anyway, with Wellsy at the helm.

There’s no way our future first gets us 15, 16, or 18. It could end up being 20+ next year after bids, best we can hope for is mid-20s.

 

[cats_09]

Let’s go for Rowell! Can build around that first hands on the ball fishing to Smith, Bruhn and Holmes sounds very appealing!

He's been linked to Collingwood

 

[MacStradbroke]

The first 3 or 4 pages of the Max Holmes thread on Cat Scan make for some great reading - thinking a few would be rather sheepish about some early comments that were made

just had a squiz. How predictable!! if anyone had three guesses on who would be complaining about the Holmes pick immediately after the selection, I would be surprised if anyone got any of the the three wrong.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

There’s no way our future first gets us 15, 16, or 18. It could end up being 20+ next year after bids, best we can hope for is mid-20s.

It could also be top 10. I wouldn't trade it for anything after about 18 although it depends on who is there as you're trading for a specific player not pick number.

 

[Turbocat]

and Reid?

Till he makes noise to the contrary … I be placing him in the highly unlikely category. He will need to not sign a contract and be OCC ..and even then its going to be expensive…. For example ..the BSmith threat this year would not play… as he would have been selected well before our pick.

If HR let the club know he wanted us…it would be great but also painful

Maybe we have a couple of players that wish and agree to be part of a trade but it still probably going to require picks. West Coast simply could not afford to have a questionable trade ..with us. Most would want a win after Kelly.

If he does not sign this year .. and the media start to leak ..like they did with Smith last year … then we best start saving our picks and space cap.

 

[Turbocat]

Let’s go for Rowell! Can build around that first hands on the ball fishing to Smith, Bruhn and Holmes sounds very appealing!

They will lose a star or two if they do not start showing some club results. Rowel like most Vic kids probably grew up visualising play Sat at the G...The Vic clubs will also start to look at both Qld clubs for second level players that get pushed out . Bris this year will add two kids that would be best 23 at most clubs…they will not be able to keep them all happy.