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And look, this is fair too. However, there are extenuating circumstances at play here, and the players' well-being (and that of his family) should receive some consideration over a contract.
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When/where did he say that? Genuinely interested to know, not questioning if it's true.
We basically hoped that the Blues would blink and take 13, knowing SOS rated the GWS boys, so Carlton just went and found the currency elsewhere and then had no reason to accept it.
Dont be an ass
Yes, we would have lost 2x first rounders on the first day of trade week.
We basically hoped that the Blues would blink and take 13, knowing SOS rated the GWS boys, so Carlton just went and found the currency elsewhere and then had no reason to accept it.
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Dont be an ass
Pretty disgraceful from Carlton but we should not have caved in and offered above the odds just to satisfy SOS' ego. Also, Gibbs had a chance to come home to us last year and he signed a 5 year contract to finish his career at Carlton. I don't know how much his circumstances have changed but signing any 5 year deal is going to limit your options severely. There's no way the AFL or AFLPA are going to make any special exceptions or demands because nothing has happened here. He's a contracted player who has a contract that he himself signed. Yes, Carlton could (and should) do the ethical thing and let him return home if he has compelling personal reasons but there's no penalty in place if they choose to be unethical and force him to serve out his term.
I'm actually ok with Lyons going. We could not go back in 2017 with the same setup as this year ... he was not the answer and needed to go elsewhere. I'm glad we let him go somewhere else. We will use his picks for Jarman hopefully.
We basically hoped that the Blues would blink and take 13, knowing SOS rated the GWS boys, so Carlton just went and found the currency elsewhere and then had no reason to accept it.
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Salty much
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Looks like you have it figured out mate.....
You must be one of the ones, that only cares about beating the Swampies and can handle us being a mediocre middle of the table team
Would you take that though?
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Well yes and history shows clubs generally will do so because keeping someone who doesn't want to be there is not going to be of benefit. That being said the bottom line is he signed a 5 year contract so is required to honour that. Is it harsh by Carlton? Maybe but it's a valuable lesson to all players that maybe pushing for these long contracts isn't always the best idea.
I definitely wanted Gibbs to come to Adelaide but at the same time we are negotiating from a major point of weakness here and just don't have as many options to get it done as we'd like.
yeah it's only expected to be a formality when it's a vicco spud wanting to go home. When it's the other way around it's "TAKE EM FOR ALL YOU CAN GET!!!".
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Reid just said we offered 2 first rounders????????????
How many premiership points is that worth?
Where the **** was this toughness for Gunston? Or for Danger last year?
Gibbs' true value was pick 13 at most. He was contracted so it was probably reasonable that Carlton got some premium for this - a minor player or a 3rd round draft pick.
My guess is that we went as high as pick 13 plus our 2017 2nd rounder with Carlton wanting either 2 first rounders or our first rounder plus one of our young guns in Cameron or McGovern and nothing less. IMO we have offered overs with Carlton rejecting this and wanting to accept nothing less than an exorbitant cost for him - that way if we paid up they look like winners, after being major losers with both Betts and Jacobs. If we weren't prepared to pay up, then they look like tough traders and we look like simpering idiots out of our league.
To some degree we do look like failures, because it was the only major player deal that did not get done. The only one.
However, if my guess is right that Carlton wanted 2 first rounders or the players mentioned above and stuck to that, we had no other option than to walk away.
Where we have been a failure in the trading department this year is that blind Freddie could see that we had to strengthen our mid-field - our one area of weakness this year. We should have targeted multiple choices, not just one. Feenix and I are both adamant that we were 2 top players short in the mid-field not just one, and while Gibbs would have been valuable, it still wouldn't have been enough.
Whatever - IMO our mid-field is going to be even weaker this year with the departure of Lyons and the fading of Thompson as a force.
For this reason, the only mark you can give Adelaide for this trading period is MAJOR FAIL.
My guess is that we went as high as pick 13 plus our 2017 2nd rounder with Carlton wanting either 2 first rounders or our first rounder plus one of our young guns in Cameron or McGovern and nothing less. IMO we have offered overs with Carlton rejecting this and wanting to accept nothing less than an exorbitant cost for him - that way if we paid up they look like winners, after being major losers with both Betts and Jacobs. If we weren't prepared to pay up, then they look like tough traders and we look like simpering idiots out of our league.
To some degree we do look like failures, because it was the only major player deal that did not get done. The only one.
However, if my guess is right that Carlton wanted 2 first rounders or the players mentioned above and stuck to that, we had no other option than to walk away.
Where we have been a failure in the trading department this year is that blind Freddie could see that we had to strengthen our mid-field - our one area of weakness this year. We should have targeted multiple choices, not just one. Feenix and I are both adamant that we were 2 top players short in the mid-field not just one, and while Gibbs would have been valuable, it still wouldn't have been enough.
Whatever - IMO our mid-field is going to be even weaker this year with the departure of Lyons and the fading of Thompson as a force.
For this reason, the only mark you can give Adelaide for this trading period is MAJOR FAIL.
In reality once it was 'Gibbs only' it was a half-arsed strategy and all it did was ruin our focus on better positioning ourselves for the draft.
Yes, we are coming into a window (with about 7 others so we've got a low chance of a flag anyway) but once we couldn't get a collection of stars we had to be focussed on doing our best in 2017 with this group with a massive eye on 2018, including a post 2017 season which actually does achieve something.
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No, Calrton wanted 2x1st. We said no
We still have 13. I'm happy.
Hey Gibbs had the chance to move over before this contract. He chose otherwise. Now he is stuck with Carlton. Next year he is 29. We could pick him up for a half eaten pie........Gibbs pie......do they still make those?.
Hey Gibbs had the chance to move over before this contract. He chose otherwise. Now he is stuck with Carlton. Next year he is 29. We could pick him up for a half eaten pie........Gibbs pie......do they still make those?.
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