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Gillard ends discriminatory asylum policy Part II
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Freddy - the average punter only cared about the incompetence of the handling of the refugee issue. And to my mind, nothing has really changed there. For three years the Labor government badly mishandled the issue and nobody is going to forget that.Long term- Huge win for the ALP and Julia....
You Libs can talk it up all you like, but in 2 months the average punter would of forgotten about the whole issue...
Now that most people can see that the Carbon Tax is not even close to what the Libs made us believe it was, Liberal state governments doing their utmost to stink it up and Tony still being leader of the opposition I am starting to feel much better about our prospects next year... Please keep him as your leader
As for the Carbon Tax - shite hasn't even begun to hit the fan yet. Wait to those utility bills start rolling in for winter.
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Like Essendon, your Liberals may of peaked too early..... Sucks hey
They're not my Liberals. They just happen to be not as bad as your Labor.
More importantly the kind of hope you and other Laborites espouse is as deluded as another Richmond 5 year plan, if we want to kick footy teams.
DT, it is only an issue whilst the boats keep arriving. With this policy, which I must admit I do not like, I have no doubt the boats will stop. I and most Labor supporters do not like this policy but it puts this whole mess to bed. You can have your short term win but this is one problem we do not have to deal with next year... Some punters will also like the fact that she swallowed her pride for the safety of the refugees.
Abbott is one gaffe away from speculation about his leadership...
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Agree on the swallowing the pride thing.
Why?
The only people who dislike him are the hard left and the Greens and they will never vote Liberal anyway.
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They're heading for a landslide win and he's one gaffe away from speculation about his leadership? He's an assclown, but you're deluded IMO.
People are nowhere near as stupid as you like to think ...
EDIT: Disagree with you DT. There's plenty of nominal Liberal voters who don't like Abbott. Trouble is there's no alternative.
Abbott is our greatest chance of getting in.
I ran into a Labor state minister last week who said the SA Labor party will do everything in their power to keep Isobel Redmond leader of the Libs over here. Same goes for Abbott. I can not see Gillard winning the next election off her own bat. She will need to Bradbury it...
You overestimate the electorate... Do you think the average punter doesn't now realise how good a job little Johnny may of done? (Not me by the way).... And how was he rewarded for his services? The embarassment of not only losing the election but his own seat......
Momentum is everything in politcis. Just ask Rudd and Howard
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Do the hard left and the Greens encompass 55% or more of the electorate? That's Abbott's current disapproval. If that's the case Gillard should pop the champagne because they're going to win 100+ seats at the next election.
The fact is that Abbott is disliked by a heap of coalition supporters. Turnbull has been noticeably getting himself into the limelight recently and has even been openly disagreeing with Abbott on issues like electricity price increases due to so called "gold-plating" of the networks.
The coalition might still be well in front in the polls but Abbott is vulnerable. He's had a very bad couple of weeks and the coalition in QT today looked lost for ideas with old-hat questions about electricity price rises due to the carbon tax. It's a pretty hard argument to make when members of your own party agree that other issues have had a far greater impact on prices. The coalition know that they will walk in the next election with anybody semi-popular which makes Abbott incredibly vulnerable.
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A lot of people were fooled by Kev and his spin-meisters, sure. That makes if even less likely they can get their way out of this hole.
What happened in '07 was bizarre, as the electorate has a history of choosing correctly.
What happened in '07 was bizarre, as the electorate has a history of choosing correctly.
Good to see the contempt you hold your fellow citizen in. No doubt if they agreed with you they would be upstanding and worthy of recognition.
If only there was a way to force people to follow your views...
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The successful passage of this new legislation would have to be a big smack in the eye for the Greens.
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They made the wrong call and Labor will be severely punished for embarassing them. It was masterful PR, but Labor now have zero chance of getting back into power in the next decade.
I was actually commenting that the electorate, with hindsight, may now regret throwing out Howard, which 100% goes against my views you fool... Next time read before shooting off after reading the first line
I thought you like Abbott? Or was that a mistake aswell?
I was actually commenting that the electorate, with hindsight, may now regret throwing out Howard, which 100% goes against my views you fool... Next time read before shooting off after reading the first line
Actually you are proving my point. The electorate probably does regret it. Needless to say you think less of them because of it.
My post was spot on about you.
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Kev gave the public what they wanted. Even most Howard supporters would agree that there wasn't much inspiration in his leadership. It was tough, uncompromising and got the job done (even though I disagree with what the "job" was) but after so long people were tired of that style of leadership.
Rudd gave optimism and inspiration to the nation. Unfortunately on most points he failed miserably to deliver on it. The public were just begining to realise that when the ALP decided to get rid of him. A lot of people got the rose-tinted glasses looking back on Rudd.
Honestly if the electorate "has a history of choosing correctly" I think it's a stretch to say Abbott is the correct choice. Even most coalition supporters recognise that his 2 actual policies (paid parental leave and "direct action" on climate change) are shockers. In contrast, despite how silly he's made Gillard look at times, most government policies are actually popular or at least more so than the coalition equivalent (NBN, NDIS, MRRT, skills training, workplace relations).
Abbott can't win the next election on policy. This is why he's tried to get to an election with Gillard in the dumps before the public wake up to his negativity. In the last year his satisfaction rating has dropped about 10% and his dissatisfaction rating has jumped about 10%. Considering policy is his weakness and an election will shine a light on that it's bad for Abbott. I reckon he'll be replaced within 6 months. If he's somehow able to hold onto the leadership then in a years time I think the election will go down to the wire because there's no positive reason why to elect him.
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I think he's underestimated and a lot more capable than Gillard (was a good minister) but he's completely uninspiring -much like Gillard.
FootySmart - I think you'll find you're in the minority. Almost no one - even Lib voters - are Abbott fans, but anyone will beat Gillard.
I am saying the electorate got it wrong, even though that goes against my wishes.. That confuses you doesn't it?
Well I do agree he and especially Gillard are uninspiring..
But I do not think he is underestimated. As I mentioned before, he is Labors only hope
Oh no it makes perfect sense to me.
My point was it seems that often those who claim to be 'for the people' tend to really be only for the people that agree with them. Many Labour supporters on this board seem to veer from care to disdain for the general public depending on whether the public supports their view or not.
IMO you fit that mould.
bombermick
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Only hope yes, but it's a pipedream. The only chance is to put Kev back in, but they're stubborn for that.
So on one hand you claim he is so bad he could win Labour the election but on the other that he is not underestimated by Labour.
The backhanded compliments of Abbott are so tired.
You jest surely
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