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Carringbush2010 said:
Big call Jack, everyone in the country knows Sides aerobic ability. While Hutchings is very good he won't match Sides run for the game.

Hope we're good bloke!
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Yeah, Sidebottom and Phillips are probably among the top echelon, Hutchings isn't quite at that elite level, but he'd be the best option the Weagles have to match Sidebottom.
 
Sweeetleftfoot said:
Given sideys form in the finals it's almost guaranteed he gets tagged so one of the boys hopefully get off the chain
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They can't tag all of Sidey, Pendles, Treloar, Adams and Phillips.

If they all fail, we send DeGoey into the midfield.

Not being cocky Eagles fans. Just some banter.
 

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Quicky - one of your best.


Few thoughts on why we win;

- We are running on top of the ground
- Midfield is dominant and set the trend with pressure. If they bring that it makes it real hard for Tigers.
- Our team defence is killing sides. You have to go back to Rd 19 vs Richmond for a team that put a 100 on us. eagles got 86 on their deck vs us but at the G we have kept GIANTS and Richmond to a score in the 50's during finals since then, Port to 64 and Lions to 73 at G, Swans & Freo to 71 & 67 (away).
- We went close vs the Eagles but most would admit really matched them save for last 5 mins, blasted the GIANTS but didnt tell on scoreboard and then stepped and whacked Richmond. The trajectory is good.
- Plenty of examples of sides recently not needing to have experienced a GF to win it (WB & Richmond)

Few thoughts from me on where / why could be beaten

- As good as Tiger win was it was driven by dominance / scores from stoppages. We wont get anywhere near that luxury again.
- They have beaten us twice, granted last time over there probably should have won.
- There is no chance Sidebottom will get the freedom he has enjoyed last 3 weeks. Others will have to fill the void (ie 10 & 7)
- Mason wont either - others have to step up. All of the 32, 24, 18 and 35 have and need to improve on recent output
- They will tag team Grundy and given what they did to Gawn they will take him out of game.
- I dont think the ground holds any fears for them given they flogged us

What I will be watching for;

Our early intent and ability to settle
How we ensure they dont let Mason, Steele and Grundy be taken out of the game.
 
Snoop Dog said:
Quicky - one of your best.


Few thoughts on why we win;

- We are running on top of the ground
- Midfield is dominant and set the trend with pressure. If they bring that it makes it real hard for Tigers.
- Our team defence is killing sides. You have to go back to Rd 19 vs Richmond for a team that put a 100 on us. eagles got 86 on their deck vs us but at the G we have kept GIANTS and Richmond to a score in the 50's during finals since then, Port to 64 and Lions to 73 at G, Swans & Freo to 71 & 67 (away).
- We went close vs the Eagles but most would admit really matched them save for last 5 mins, blasted the GIANTS but didnt tell on scoreboard and then stepped and whacked Richmond. The trajectory is good.
- Plenty of examples of sides recently not needing to have experienced a GF to win it (WB & Richmond)

Few thoughts from me on where / why could be beaten

- As good as Tiger win was it was driven by dominance / scores from stoppages. We wont get anywhere near that luxury again.
- They have beaten us twice, granted last time over there probably should have won.
- There is no chance Sidebottom will get the freedom he has enjoyed last 3 weeks. Others will have to fill the void (ie 10 & 7)
- Mason wont either - others have to step up. All of the 32, 24, 18 and 35 have and need to improve on recent output
- They will tag team Grundy and given what they did to Gawn they will take him out of game.
- I dont think the ground holds any fears for them given they flogged us

What I will be watching for;

Our early intent and ability to settle
How we ensure they dont let Mason, Steele and Grundy be taken out of the game.
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Start for us will be Huge. Don't want the Eagles to Start Well.

So do you think we can win Snoop Dog or is Eagles be Too Good?
 
Chrispiesssss said:
Everyone keeps talking about how Josh Kennedy is going to be clunking Contested mark after Contested mark.

He only averages 1.5 contested marks per game. However, he averages 3 marks inside 50 per game. Which means he generally has space to lead into, and the WCE player strategically place their kicks.

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Darling averages 2.5 contested marks per game. Like Kennedy, he averages about 3 marks inside 50 per game.

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I’m not sure about you other supporters, but I’d be okay if Kennedy and Darling took 4 contested marks between them even if that meant 4 shots at goal. I’d only be concerned if they had 7+ contested marks between them.
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Well put. I think we have refocused our defensive emphasis to winning ground ball in the back half. We risked jack kicking a few last week in return for increased d50 rebound and more time in our forward half. I'm not sure if it'll be the same plan against the eagles, but it seems like thier contested marking isn't gonna be the match winner. I think its more likely we concede a few goals to the talls and focus on completely taking their smalls out of the game
 
Snoop Dog said:
Quicky - one of your best.


Few thoughts on why we win;

- We are running on top of the ground
- Midfield is dominant and set the trend with pressure. If they bring that it makes it real hard for Tigers.
- Our team defence is killing sides. You have to go back to Rd 19 vs Richmond for a team that put a 100 on us. eagles got 86 on their deck vs us but at the G we have kept GIANTS and Richmond to a score in the 50's during finals since then, Port to 64 and Lions to 73 at G, Swans & Freo to 71 & 67 (away).
- We went close vs the Eagles but most would admit really matched them save for last 5 mins, blasted the GIANTS but didnt tell on scoreboard and then stepped and whacked Richmond. The trajectory is good.
- Plenty of examples of sides recently not needing to have experienced a GF to win it (WB & Richmond)

Few thoughts from me on where / why could be beaten

- As good as Tiger win was it was driven by dominance / scores from stoppages. We wont get anywhere near that luxury again.
- They have beaten us twice, granted last time over there probably should have won.
- There is no chance Sidebottom will get the freedom he has enjoyed last 3 weeks. Others will have to fill the void (ie 10 & 7)
- Mason wont either - others have to step up. All of the 32, 24, 18 and 35 have and need to improve on recent output
- They will tag team Grundy and given what they did to Gawn they will take him out of game.
- I dont think the ground holds any fears for them given they flogged us

What I will be watching for;

Our early intent and ability to settle
How we ensure they dont let Mason, Steele and Grundy be taken out of the game.
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Great summary.

They clearly have a more talented forward and defensive lines - particularly the talls.
In the QF - our defence held up well until the last 10-15mins, but we really struggled to take advantage up forward when our mids were dominating for 3 quarters.

I reckon for us to win, we need to:
1. Keep up that manic pressure all over the ground, but particularly in the midfield.
2. When we have the ball we need to use our run, both on and off the ball. Our forwards need to be creating space for each other and we have to avoid the trap of just kicking it long to a stationary Cox - McGovern will just eat it up.
3. Our defence just needs to hold tight and be supported by the pressure of the mids and forwards. I am sure JK and Darling will each get off the leash a few times - thats fine, it will happen and they are too talented not to. But we need to go back to disciplined football and not let it become a 10-20minute patch where they dominate for quick easy goals like they did to end the QF.
 
didaksrightfoot said:
Great summary.

They clearly have a more talented forward and defensive lines - particularly the talls.
In the QF - our defence held up well until the last 10-15mins, but we really struggled to take advantage up forward when our mids were dominating for 3 quarters.

I reckon for us to win, we need to:
1. Keep up that manic pressure all over the ground, but particularly in the midfield.
2. When we have the ball we need to use our run, both on and off the ball. Our forwards need to be creating space for each other and we have to avoid the trap of just kicking it long to a stationary Cox - McGovern will just eat it up.
3. Our defence just needs to hold tight and be supported by the pressure of the mids and forwards. I am sure JK and Darling will each get off the leash a few times - thats fine, it will happen and they are too talented not to. But we need to go back to disciplined football and not let it become a 10-20minute patch where they dominate for quick easy goals like they did to end the QF.
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Well they've got better credentialed talls, but I'm not sure that means they're "clearly" more talented groups of players than ours when looked at as a whole.
 
After some more thinking...

I have decided that it is players like Yeo, Shuey - maybe Adams/Greenwood and other players like Ryan, Rioli, and Cripps that we need to shut down.

Also, Jetta gives them a lot of drive from the backline.

Can see Maynard also having a shutdown role this week.
 
Tails1 said:
Thought that would be the case with Shaw and us. Makes sense.

Out of interest who presented the cup to MM and Maxwell in 2010 and who was on standby for us 2011 (I can't remember)?
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IIRC 2010 was this bloke ...

 
I don't feel we'll be successful if we focus too much on negating against WC's strengths.

We need to balance defense against making sure that our pace, pressure, and midfield dominance gives us the competitive edge we need.

They did not blow us away last time we played and by the end of the game we had figured out how to limit McGovern's influence.

Have I mentioned that Yeo's head is extremely punchable? We need one of our midfielders to go one on one and beat him.

They're a great side, we need to do more of what makes us awesome to win.
 

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72 hours! Our boys could be premiers by then!! GO PIES!!!!@@
 
Fell asleep with Fox Footy going last night, woke up at about 3.30 n they were showing the 2010 draw, should of turned it off and went back to sleep
but crazily watched it, then they followed it up with the replay, ended up watching all of it again before getting up for work at 7

Dont feel tired so worked out to be a good thing, too much adrenaline coursing through the body to sleep much this week
 
Both clubs deserved the GF this year, the pies are a machine when they get going and when on song pretty much unstoppable. I hope its close and may the best team win. On a side note I picked De Goey to be the next #1 player in the league when he got drafted and will be a Norm Smith medalist, hopefully not this year but is a match winner
 
Grand Final Preview from The Roar

https://www.theroar.com.au/2018/09/26/2018-afl-grand-final-preview/

After 198 regular season matches, the distribution of 1,188 Brownlow Medal votes and eight finals matches, we are down to the final two teams.

Collingwood and the West Coast Eagles are left to fight it out for the AFL premiership this Saturday afternoon.

Entering this season, neither the Pies or Eagles were considered serious premiership contenders. Nathan Buckley’s men missed the finals in four consecutive seasons, while many predicted Adam Simpson’s side to slide down the ladder this year after losing several star players to retirement at the end of last season.

However, both clubs have defied the odds to make it to the summit match of the 2018 AFL season, which will be a battle of the birds for the second time in four years.

After winning a vote of confidence from the board last August following a dismal 2017 season, Buckley faced some early criticism after the Pies dropped their first two matches of the season against Hawthorn and the GWS Giants, both at the MCG.

But from that point on, they would drop only five more matches en route to a third-place finish on the ladder – their highest placing since the 2012 season, when they finished fourth in what was Buckley’s first year as Pies coach.

His efforts in lifting the club from 13th place last year to potential premiers this Saturday has won him the AFL Coaches Association’s coach of the year.

Foremost to their season of improvement was the good form shown by Steele Sidebottom, who finished runner-up to Tom Mitchell in the Brownlow Medal count with 24 votes, as well as the emergence of young stars such as Jaidyn Stephenson and Brady Mihocek.

They then lost a pulsating qualifying final against the West Coast Eagles in Perth before rebounding to defeat the GWS Giants, and then Richmond, in consecutive matches to qualify for its first Grand Final since 2011.

The win over the Tigers, regarded by many as the upset of the season, was orchestrated by a stunning ten-goals-to-two first half – at the end of which they led by 44 points.

It also broke the Tigers’ 22-match winning streak at the home of football, but that win will mean nothing if they cannot overcome the West Coast Eagles this Saturday afternoon at the MCG.

Adam Simpson’s men entered this year having been convincingly beaten by the Giants in their semi-final last year, after which Matt Priddis, Drew Petrie and Sam Mitchell retired from the game.

Many predicted they would slide down the ladder this season, with Robert Walls even going as far to predict that they’d win the wooden spoon.

The Eagles started the year with a 29-point loss to the Sydney Swans in the first game to be played at the new Optus Stadium, but from that point on, they’d win ten matches in a row, including thrashing reigning premiers Richmond by 47 points at home, before the run came to an end with another loss to the Swans at the SCG in Round 13.

Two further losses to Essendon and the Adelaide Crows followed, before they got back on track, winning six of their final eight regular season matches, including defeating Collingwood at the MCG for the first time since 1995.

It was in that match where their season appeared to take a turn for the worse, when ruckman Nic Naitanui suffered another serious knee injury which will see him not return until at least past the halfway mark of next season.

Shortly after, Andrew Gaff copped an eight-match suspension from the judiciary following his sickening blow to the face of Andrew Brayshaw; Saturday’s Grand Final will be the sixth match he will miss, and it also means he will miss the first two rounds next year.

Those distractions wouldn’t prevent the Eagles from finishing second on the ladder, the second time in four seasons that they’ve finished this high.

After earning a week off thanks to another win over the Pies in the qualifying final, they destroyed Melbourne with just about one of the most devastating halves of football ever seen in recent memory.

The Eagles kicked ten goals to nil and then got on with the job in the second half to comfortably qualify for their second Grand Final in four seasons, where they’ll start underdogs against a Collingwood side which will be aiming to join Carlton and Essendon on a record-equalling 16 flags.

Twelve Eagles players will return for a second shot at the big prize, after they were part of the team humiliated by Hawthorn three years ago.

Josh Kennedy, Jack Darling and Elliot Yeo were among the players who easily had their colours lowered, with Kennedy, the 2015 Coleman Medallist, being held goalless by James Frawley, who’d just crossed over from a Melbourne side once labelled “an impediment to the industry”.

From their preliminary final side, only Lewis Jetta has tasted the ultimate success, having been part of the Sydney Swans side that was victorious against the Hawks in 2012. Thus, an Eagles win this Saturday would be the perfect sixth anniversary for him.

That win by the Swans is also the last time any non-Victorian side has won the flag, so Adam Simpson’s men will have their work cut out for them if they are to capture their fourth flag, and first since defeating the Swans in that classic 2006 decider by a solitary point.

Adam Simpson could feel the heat (Photo by Daniel Carson/AFL Media/Getty Images)

There are no remaining players from that side, with Sam Butler, the last survivor, having featured in that said side against the Hawks in 2015 before calling time at the end of last season.

Now that you’ve got the info, it’s time to crunch all the important numbers below.

This season: West Coast Eagles 15.12 (102) defeated Collingwood 9.13 (67) at the Melbourne Cricket Ground in round 17; West Coast Eagles 12.14 (86) defeated Collingwood 10.10 (70) at Optus Stadium in the second qualifying final.

The stats that matter
* This is Collingwood’s 42nd Grand Final (excluding the 1977 and 2010 replays), while for the West Coast Eagles this is their seventh.
* Collingwood are shooting for a record-equalling 16th flag, which would see them level on Carlton and Essendon on that many flags, while the West Coast Eagles are going for their fourth flag but first since 2006.
* Nathan Buckley is the first man since John Worsfold to captain and coach the same side into a Grand Final. While he couldn’t lead the Pies to a flag in either 2002 or 2003, he did win the Norm Smith Medal in the former year. In a twist of fate, Worsfold led the Eagles to flags in 1992 and 1994 as captain, and in 2006 as coach.
* Buckley is the first former Norm Smith Medallist since Gary Ayres in 1995 to coach a side into a Grand Final.
* Collingwood is 0-2 against non-Victorian clubs in AFL Grand Finals; both of those losses were to the Brisbane Lions in 2002 and 2003.
* West Coast has never lost a Grand Final in an even year.
* Collingwood has not won a premiership in September since 1958 (their last two flags were won on the first Saturday of October, in 1990 and 2010).
* West Coast has not won a finals match at the MCG since the 2006 Grand Final.
* West Coast has not won a finals match against a Victorian club at the MCG since the 1999 qualifying final, when it defeated the Western Bulldogs by five points.

And something random….
* Both clubs’ last flags were in years where a Winter Olympics, Commonwealth Games and FIFA World Cup were held (West Coast in 2006 and Collingwood in 2010). The Eagles’ last flag came in a year when Australia hosted the Commonwealth Games (Melbourne).

https://www.theroar.com.au/2018/09/26/2018-afl-grand-final-preview/
 
Caught up with two Richmond fans tonight, at a function. Both of them were not bitter or 'salty' to use the BF vernacular.

In fact both said pretty much the same thing. They were blown away by the Pies, and super impressed by how we came to play in the PF. Used words like 'scintillating'.

I came away feeling more confident. We were all over them on Friday night; we were running on top of the MCG. If we bring that game on Saturday we will win this. Let's focus on what we do, and not what WC do, because what we do is more than good enough.
 
Round 3: 0-2 and this was the scoreline.

And now we're here.
 

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