Great effort Hawks

[parrot]

Very impressed with the Hawks yesterday, unlucky not to win. Clarkson seems to have got them playing a very committed disciplined style of footy. Big change from last year. They’re finally heading in the right direction. The Saint’s ruck and backline problems were still apparent yesterday. Not sure if the Saints excellent forward line and midfield will dominant enough to cover up for these deficiencies. McGough demonstrated his familiar lack of pace and poor decision making under pressure - the reasons why Collingwood let him go. GT won’t persist with him for too long. Black is going to be a big loss.

 

[Mr Wong]

Great effort by my boys. I was happy with a 9 point loss to a Premiership contender. Dixon to full forward I thought was great helping us have a focal point up forward. Thurgood was gutsy I'll be expecting much more of him over the season. Backline for the saints a big worry as our forward line isn't flash

 

[Joffaboy]

Very impressed with the Hawks yesterday, unlucky not to win. Clarkson seems to have got them playing a very committed disciplined style of footy. Big change from last year. They’re finally heading in the right direction. The Saint’s ruck and backline problems were still apparent yesterday. Not sure if the Saints excellent forward line and midfield will dominant enough to cover up for these deficiencies. McGough demonstrated his familiar lack of pace and poor decision making under pressure - the reasons why Collingwood let him go. GT won’t persist with him for too long. Black is going to be a big loss.

Goddard and Wells were a big loss for Carlton too

 

[parrot]

Great effort by my boys. I was happy with a 9 point loss to a Premiership contender. Dixon to full forward I thought was great helping us have a focal point up forward. Thurgood was gutsy I'll be expecting much more of him over the season. Backline for the saints a big worry as our forward line isn't flash

Thought Barker played a good game. Hopefully he can fire for the Hawks this year. An under-rated forward IMO. Goddard has bulked up abit, but also seems to have lost some pace and mobility. Perhaps he's put on too much weight.

 

[Wildman]

Well done Hawk's,had a fair dinkum crack.Good to see them playing a more direct brand of footy,they were hard at it and were unlucky to loose.

 

[parrot]

Goddard and Wells were a big loss for Carlton too

Wells maybe, Goddard not so sure now after seeing him last night. Having said that I'd much much prefer Andrew Walker than either of them. Sort of turned out OK

 

[Joffaboy]

Wells maybe, Goddard not so sure now after seeing him last night. Having said that I'd much much prefer Andrew Walker than either of them. Sort of turned out OK

Didn't turn out OK at all, you could have had Wells, Goddard, and Walker, but hey thems the brakes.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Must burn every time you see them in other club colours.

Walker is a GOP nothing more, and will be shown up for what he is this year, another Luke Livingstone.

 

[CyberKev]

Well done Hawk's,had a fair dinkum crack.Good to see them playing a more direct brand of footy,they were hard at it and were unlucky to loose.

I wouldn't want to suggest we were unlucky to lose.

St Kilda looked awesome early and showed sound poise in the way they steadied when the game was up for grabs at the death knell.

In key moments the greater talent and skill level of the Saints was telling, and Hawthorn can't say it was unlucky when its downfall came largely from skill errors and overcooking of the football.

On a more positive note, the side showed genuine steel and character when it seriously looked like the opposition was running away to a 3 figure margin early.

 

[Wildman]

On a more positive note, the side showed genuine steel and character when it seriously looked like the opposition was running away to a 3 figure margin early.

True,they showed some real fight. If it's a sign of things to come the season wont be as bleak as many have been saying.

 

[Joffaboy]

I wouldn't want to suggest we were unlucky to lose.

St Kilda looked awesome early and showed sound poise in the way they steadied when the game was up for grabs at the death knell.

In key moments the greater talent and skill level of the Saints was telling, and Hawthorn can't say it was unlucky when its downfall came largely from skill errors and overcooking of the football.

On a more positive note, the side showed genuine steel and character when it seriously looked like the opposition was running away to a 3 figure margin early.

Fair summation CyberKev. The Hawks showed a fair bit after the Saitns skipped away to a 6 and a bit goal lead. Played it hard and could have snatched a win.

Couple of points. Robert Walls is a complete fool. Kept making the obvious comment about Hodge loose in defence. Everyone at the ground knew he was loose in defence. He was left that way deliberately by the Saints, even though he was doing great damage with his disposals. It was obvious to anyone with any footbaLL nous that Thomas wanted the Saints players to think their way through the situation and find ways to counteract it.
Having Hodge loose meant Fiora was getting uncontested ball on the wing, and narrowly missed two 9 pointers (one just touched on the line by the big ruckman Taylor in qtr 3, another hitting the post and rebounding in qtr4).

The fact that the Saints came up short in the challenge Thomas set them gives him much to work with with that issue.

Also because hawthorn dropped players behind the ball meant they could score freely, the Saints extremely weak defence (according to Squawk) held the Hawks goalless in the final quarter, and because of this defensive gameplan adopted by Clarkson, the Saints were able to steady and win.

Both coaches used the game for what it was, a practice match. Hawks had to come to terms with Clarksons game plan and the Saints had to attemptto come up with solutions to that gameplan and the fact Thomas didn't bother changing it around at all.

All in all a good hitout for February. Theresult doesn't matter for either team,aprt from the fact theSaints dont have to go bushwacking next week.

 

[parrot]

Didn't turn out OK at all, you could have had Wells, Goddard, and Walker, but hey thems the brakes.....

You seem so angry and bitter. It's a new season, try to be happy.

If we had Wells and Goddard we wouldn't have got Walker, so yes things turned out OK. I think Goddard will be a good player for the Saints, but seems to have lost a yard in pace over the break. Wells is a more exciting prospect than Goddard at present, but Walker looks like being to best of the 3 IMO

BTW how do you think McGough and Fiona went yesterday?

 

[SensibleCommentator]

Very impressed with the Hawks yesterday, unlucky not to win. Clarkson seems to have got them playing a very committed disciplined style of footy. Big change from last year. They’re finally heading in the right direction. The Saint’s ruck and backline problems were still apparent yesterday. Not sure if the Saints excellent forward line and midfield will dominant enough to cover up for these deficiencies. McGough demonstrated his familiar lack of pace and poor decision making under pressure - the reasons why Collingwood let him go. GT won’t persist with him for too long. Black is going to be a big loss.

I didn't want to have to do it. BUT, heres some bed time reading

First gamers for StKilda
Ackland (not top 22)
McGough (not top 22)
Fiora - top 22 IMO, looks great. What did Richmond do to him?
Gwilt (not top 22 although impressed very much only 18yo.)
MacQualter (not top 22 although impressed very much only 18yo.)


Missing from top 22 last night
Gehrig - Full Forward

Maguire - Centre Half Back
L.Penny - Full Back
A.Jones - AA Half Back
L.Fisher - Back Pocket

Barry Brooks - #1 Ruckman
R.Harvey - On-Baller/Forward
S.Powell - Off the bench on baller specialist
A.Thompson - Off the bench on baller specialist
X.Clarke - Wing
T.Schwarze and J.Gram (take ya pick) - Wing/Half Back



Backline depleted?? Yeah well I wonder why? We still won. Id say thats good for the saints yeah? To beat an AFL side with half ya players is a good sign, IMHO.

 

[Wildman]

Couple of points. Robert Walls is a complete fool. .

Aint that the truth.

 

[Joffaboy]

You seem so angry and bitter. It's a new season, try to be happy.

I dont understand how I could be bitter when I look at the gift Carlton gave us in Goddard. You are so mixed up, it isn't funny.

If we had Wells and Goddard we wouldn't have got Walker, so yes things turned out OK.

Yes you would have.

I think Goddard will be a good player for the Saints, but seems to have lost a yard in pace over the break.

Never was quick. But still better than anything at your club.

Wells is a more exciting prospect than Goddard at present, but Walker looks like being to best of the 3 IMO

Livingstone> Walker.

Wells and Goddard > Livingstone

BTW how do you think McGough and Fiona went yesterday?

McGough 12 possessions in and under in a qtr. Will be a good back up for Harvey, Powell, and Thommo, all who didn't play. McGough is also better than Scotland. You picked the wrong Collingwood castoff.

Fiora was great on a wing last night and would walk into your slow underskilled rabble. Oh wait Lee Bowyer might keep him out, is that hack still there, or Hartford, still on the list? What about Sultana and Olive Oyl, or wait for it.... Eddie Betts.

All champions in th making

 

[parrot]

....Couple of points. Robert Walls is a complete fool. Kept making the obvious comment about Hodge loose in defence. Everyone at the ground knew he was loose in defence. He was left that way deliberately by the Saints, even though he was doing great damage with his disposals. It was obvious to anyone with any footbaLL nous that Thomas wanted the Saints players to think their way through the situation and find ways to counteract it.
Having Hodge loose meant Fiora was getting uncontested ball on the wing, and narrowly missed two 9 pointers (one just touched on the line by the big ruckman Taylor in qtr 3, another hitting the post and rebounding in qtr4).

The fact that the Saints came up short in the challenge Thomas set them gives him much to work with with that issue.
.......

Wierd interpretation of events. The Hawks had much more of the ball in the final term and should have won if they kicked some getable shots at goal. The fact that they had so many opportunities is again an example of StKilda's backiline defieciencies. Very lucky to get away with a win. "Getting the Saints players to think through...." not sure what you're on about there. So some of wierd justification for the Saints increasingly obvious deficiencies in the ruck and down back. I guess GT was "Getting the StKilda players to think through....blah blah" when they went down to Brisbane by 80 points in "that final" when both ruckman got a combined "1 kick" between them for the entire match. Reality ain't your strong point

 

[parrot]

.... McGough is also better than Scotland....

Are there any Collingwood supporters out there that actually agree with that statement?

 

[narthola_04]

Backline for the saints a big worry as our forward line isn't flash

Would have helped if our backline was playing! Maguire, Penny and jones all out, and voss up forward for quite awhile (god knows why!!)

Hawks were great last night, ran hard, great chasing!! was really impressed hope they can keep it up for the season and they won't go as bad as everyone thinks, although you could tell Thompson wasn't there!

 

[parrot]

Would have helped if our backline was playing! Maguire, Penny and jones all out, and voss up....e!

Agree that Jones is a loss, but it's probably an advantage not having Penny in the team - very average player. Jury's still out on Maguire.

 

[JeffDunne]

Hey parrot, did you watch the game or just read about it in the paper again?

 

[parrot]

Hey parrot, did you watch the game or just read about it in the paper again?

Good morning JD, nice to hear from you again. Didn't get to game, just watched it on TV. Very interesting, a few familiar problems resurfacing. Very impressed with the Hawks though. Liked their comittment. Are headed on the right path

 

[OneEyedHawk]

I was wrapt with the way the hawks kept fighting. The difference in skill level was glaringly obvious and was probably the difference in the end, but at least they kept fighting and showed some heart. To get so close to a team as good as StKilda was really pleasing.

 

[Falchoon]

The Saint’s backline problems were still apparent yesterday.

They had 66 points kicked against them?

Starting backline

Hudghton - Penny - L Fisher/Gram/Baker
Jones - Maguire - Schwarze

I'd say Springvales backline looked ok.

 

[Joffaboy]

Wierd interpretation of events.

Considering I was at the game and could see what was going on, only sensible intrepretation of event that could possibly be made by anyone who knows anything of football, obviously your aren't one of them.

The Hawks had much more of the ball in the final term and should have won if they kicked some getable shots at goal. The fact that they had so many opportunities is again an example of StKilda's backiline defieciencies.

You make a complete fool of yourself with this remark, the score in qtr 4 was St.Kilda 1.4 to Hawthorn 4 behinds, so who had the more scoring opportunities in the final quarter? You are digging a deeper hole for yourself.

Oh if they had of kicked some gettable opportunities. Care to tell us of those opportunities? There was one set shot from Barker and a snap from Vandenburg, none other, so there was one. The Saints not only scored more, but a 9 point chance from Fiora hit the post and rebounded for no points.

Facts are the Saints defence kept Hawthorn goalless in the last qtr and only had 9 kick on them in the whole game. Doesn't matter how much you squawk, thems are the facts sonny boy.

Very lucky to get away with a win. "Getting the Saints players to think through...." not sure what you're on about there. So some of wierd justification for the Saints increasingly obvious deficiencies in the ruck and down back.

Thought it would be plainly obvious to anyone who knows anything about the game of football, practice matches and what coaches attempt to do in them. But as you have shown you dont seem to have much idea about football.

And how do you equate a perfectly obvious challenge to our midfield and forward to our backline . You really dont understand much about the game do you Parrot?

I guess GT was "Getting the StKilda players to think through....blah blah" when they went down to Brisbane by 80 points in "that final" when both ruckman got a combined "1 kick" between them for the entire match. Reality ain't your strong point

What has a final from last season got to do with a practice match from last night? Have you really got anything to say except to attempt to troll about a game from last year that your team wasn't even involved in, especially after your team got smashed by 18 goals against the team you are hopelesslly trying to troll?
As for ruckman getting one kick in that game. Thanks Parrot you back up our argument that Knobel was crap and we got rid of him. Interesting how Carlton made an attempt for him. Would fit in well with Livingstone, and Walker.

Come back tome when you can understand you sound like a complete moron when you try to slag a backline that kept a tem goalless in the last quarter to set up the win.
Are all carlton lemmings as ignorant as you, or do you specialise in this unique brand of idiocy?

 

[Wildman]

Are there any Collingwood supporters out there that actually agree with that statement?

Not this one

 

[JeffDunne]

Good morning JD, nice to hear from you again. Didn't get to game, just watched it on TV. Very interesting, a few familiar problems resurfacing. Very impressed with the Hawks though. Liked their comittment. Are headed on the right path

Doesn't sound like it.

But I'll agree on the Hawks, and in particular their tackling was first class.

You must have squirmed when Fiora kicked that goal.