Gumby to Freo

[Such is life Ben]

If he has failed a medical at Carlton and Freo are waiting on the results, highly unlikely they have already offered him a 3 year deal. Unless its a 3 year deal subject to a clear medical. Freo are not the dummies they were a few years ago, Lyon, backing out of the Clark deal, getting Pearce are just a few indicators.

I think there is a reason that in the face of the interest of other clubs, Essendon have held firm with their 1 year. Perhaps the failed medical at Carlton is the proof...

 

[Cynic]

If he doesn't sign a contract he will be delisted.

Why wouldn't he be eligible for the Delisted Player Free Agency Period?

Doesn't qualify from my understanding

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Apparently failed a medical at Carlton while touring the facilities and all the while being in Perth. Surprised more teams aren't interested in an omnipresent player.

 

[Zach Package]

dawes is going for pick 21 and 41 yeah? if that's the established market for talls, then I think Gumby is worth a pick in the 20's.
Yeah he struggles to get on the park, but when he does he actually shows a hell of a lot, unlike dawes who only hurts his trade value by being on the park

 

[micool]

essendon would want a pick in the 20s freo dont have it

 

[go_the_dockers]

Doesn't qualify from my understanding

A player has served seven seasons or fewer of AFL football at one club, and is now out of contract.
The player is not eligible for free agency if his club wishes to retain him. He may only move clubs via a trade or the draft. If he delists himself, he is subject to the draft, and may be selected by any club.

A player has served seven seasons or fewer of AFL football at one club, and has been delisted by his club.
The player is a free agent and is eligible to field offers from all rival AFL clubs.
The player must decide on the best offer of his choice from one rival club.
The player can move AUTOMATICALLY to the new club of his choice.
His original club, which chose to delist him, does not receive any compensation pick for the loss of the player.

It looks like you are correct.

 

[Wizard]

essendon would want a pick in the 20s freo dont have it

And there is no way in hell we would give it anyway, the best you will get from us is 37 or something like that and even then i doubt we'd do that.

 

[mufassa]

dawes is going for pick 21 and 41 yeah? if that's the established market for talls, then I think Gumby is worth a pick in the 20's.
Yeah he struggles to get on the park, but when he does he actually shows a hell of a lot, unlike dawes who only hurts his trade value by being on the park

Shows a hell of a lot?? I think you are being very generous here.

 

[jusjoshin]

Given that he's barely played any football so far, we would effectively trading for a player we might only get a couple of games a year out of.

He might be quality, but it's irrelevant if he can't get on the park. I'm quite wary of trading for Gumby. He is a massive risk.

I can understand Essendon wanting more for him, but we don't want to pay through the nose for your problems. It would be like us trading out Morabito now. We'd get nothing for him. If he had put together a consistent season, then we'd get what we know he's worth.

Freo is playing moneyball at the trade table these days. We'll look at any players if they can benefit the club, but the only reason we'd be looking at Gumby is because he'd come cheap.

 

[Zach Package]

Shows a hell of a lot?? I think you are being very generous here.

Can understand how you would say that, and admittedly 2010 and the back half of 2012 is a very small sample size to go by, but the signs are definitely there. he hasn't lost his marking ability (did spill a couple due to a bit of rust) he can still run all day, and i think he's one of the ones that has benefited most from 'the weapon', looks far stronger through the legs and core than he's ever looked. Admittedly i'm one of his his biggest fans and I desperately want him to stay, but you pay for potential, and the potential is definitely still there.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Fair way out I know, but do Dons fans have expectations that Daniher is a round 1 2013 starter?

I personally think he will play Round 1. I think he'll play NAB cup and force his way in. Even more so if we have other KPP like Gumby to help him out.

If he doesn't sign a contract he will be delisted.

Why wouldn't he be eligible for the Delisted Player Free Agency Period?

that's not the way it works. Delisting isn't the same as someone not signing a contract and effectively walking out on a club. Otherwise anyone who was out of contract at any time would be a free agent...

 

[Belnakor]

Delisting isn't the same as someone not signing a contract and effectively walking out on a club.

Yes it is

 

[jusjoshin]

... but you pay for potential, and the potential is definitely still there.

You pay for potential with youngsters. Gumby is halfway through his footy career, and has barely gotten out on the field. Half the Essendon posters are either talking like he's played 100+ games, or he's still 19. He's not. He's been playing AFL for 6 seasons and he's played 28 games, and even in his most consistent season, he barely averaged over a goal a game (1.1 goals per game over 17 games in 2010).

He's not young, he's not setting the world on fire, but Essendon expect us to pay overs? He could fill a need for us in the short term, but it's a gamble. So far he's played 1 reasonable season from 6. So to my thinking ,the chances of him having a reasonable season next year are 1/6. We'd have better odds with a round 2 draft pick, and similar odds with a 3rd round draft pick.

So to my thinking that should be around what we'd offer.

 

[micool]

with neeld meeting him in perth this week and freo into him and malthouse on his way to perth, seems as he may be the new hot property?

 

[Wokko]

Sean Rusling Mk II. Some bodies just can't handle AFL.

 

[Gumbletrain]

You pay for potential with youngsters. Gumby is halfway through his footy career, and has barely gotten out on the field. Half the Essendon posters are either talking like he's played 100+ games, or he's still 19. He's not. He's been playing AFL for 6 seasons and he's played 28 games, and even in his most consistent season, he barely averaged over a goal a game (1.1 goals per game over 17 games in 2010).

He's not young, he's not setting the world on fire, but Essendon expect us to pay overs? He could fill a need for us in the short term, but it's a gamble. So far he's played 1 reasonable season from 6. So to my thinking ,the chances of him having a reasonable season next year are 1/6. We'd have better odds with a round 2 draft pick, and similar odds with a 3rd round draft pick.

So to my thinking that should be around what we'd offer.

Well don't bid for him d**#head. Freo don't have to take Gumby, but if you want him you may have to stump up something decent. If all we get from you is a late second rounder than we might as well keep him. I am sick of you Freo supporters telling us he is a risk and is not worth anything, yet on the other hand saying we should accept whatever pissy offer you make.

It would be like if I had a BMW currently worth around $50,000 resale but it had with a dent in the front door. If someone offered me $48,000 I may accept it because it may cost them a couple of grand or less to get the door fixed. That would be a fair deal. However if you came to me and said because of that dent I will pay you $20,000 for the BMW I would tell you where to go. I am not going accept that deal no matter how much you try and tell me the dent devalues the car. I would prefer to get the dent fixed myself and sell the thing for $50,000.

If Gumby is such a risk then don't take it, however that is the thing about risks, they may cost you a lot, but they may also pay off big time.

 

[bombermick]

Freo fans would be up in arms if we were only offering a 3rd rounder for Morabito, yet his situation is no better than Gumby's.

Gumby at least was fit for majority of last season and kicked almost two goals a game.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Yes it is

no it's not.

Delisting is when the club doesn't want a player, walking out is when a player doesn't want a club.

Couldn't be more different

 

[theGav56]

Freo fans would be up in arms if we were only offering a 3rd rounder for Morabito, yet his situation is no better than Gumby's.

Gumby at least was fit for majority of last season and kicked almost two goals a game.

If he was injured for the next 3-4 years, I'd take a 3rd rounder and chuckle with glee.

 

[bombermick]

If he was injured for the next 3-4 years, I'd take a 3rd rounder and chuckle with glee.

Gumby is obviously a risk, but his issues are reportedly over. Morabito doing two knees suggests they're a ticking time bomb.

 

[go_the_dockers]

Freo fans would be up in arms if we were only offering a 3rd rounder for Morabito, yet his situation is no better than Gumby's.

Gumby at least was fit for majority of last season and kicked almost two goals a game.

Fremantle would happily match your offer, you have offered him a 1year deal.

You need to either offer him something better or accept your club doesn't value him that highly.

 

[democritus]

Gumby is obviously a risk, but his issues are reportedly over. Morabito doing two knees suggests they're a ticking time bomb.

He's done the same knee, twice.

I'll add that the recurrence seems to have resulted from a lousy reconstruction in the first place.

At the end of the day, I'd still be backing Morabito to have a successful career over Gumby, who's had hamstring, back and knee problems for the past six years.

 

[jusjoshin]

Well don't bid for him d**#head. Freo don't have to take Gumby, but if you want him you may have to stump up something decent. If all we get from you is a late second rounder than we might as well keep him. I am sick of you Freo supporters telling us he is a risk and is not worth anything, yet on the other hand saying we should accept whatever pissy offer you make.

It would be like if I had a BMW currently worth around $50,000 resale but it had with a dent in the front door. If someone offered me $48,000 I may accept it because it may cost them a couple of grand or less to get the door fixed. That would be a fair deal. However if you came to me and said because of that dent I will pay you $20,000 for the BMW I would tell you where to go. I am not going accept that deal no matter how much you try and tell me the dent devalues the car. I would prefer to get the dent fixed myself and sell the thing for $50,000.

If Gumby is such a risk then don't take it, however that is the thing about risks, they may cost you a lot, but they may also pay off big time.

Of course he's worth something, otherwise the Bombers wouldn't have persisted with him.

I have no say in the clubs decisions. The club is doing a medical assessment on him now. It's risk versus reward. He has a chance to be good. Where we differ is our view of the amount of risk.

If your beamer had been rusting on blocks for the last 6 years and had no tires, windscreen, rego or brakes, I'd want my mechanic to take a long hard look at the suspension, the engine, the electronics, the sub frame and the transmission before I would even think about making an offer of $20k.Those issues can be fixed, but we'd want to make damn sure that there are no surprises when we are looking at a fixer upper.

The club will offer what they think he's worth. I'm not saying the club thinks the same as me. But I'd be disappointed if we parted with too much more than a 3rd rounder.

 

[bombermick]

Fremantle would happily match your offer, you have offered him a 1year deal.

You need to either offer him something better or accept your club doesn't value him that highly.

You'd give Morabito 3 years?!? (assuming rumours of a 3-year deal are correct)

 

[go_the_dockers]

You'd give Morabito 3 years?!? (assuming rumours of a 3-year deal are correct)

I would because I believe he will be a great player and he has a long term future at the club.