Gumby to Freo

[The Fact]

With Hurley and Daniher up forward I don't see a place for him at Essendon, at least nothing more than depth.

Daniher hasn't played a game yet, he might need 2-4 years before he is even ready Gumby still has a place

 

[PTizzle]

Yeah, that's the main issue. Essendon have been great to Gumby and he should be eternally grateful to them, but the fact is he will struggle to keep his spot even when he's fit currently if the rest of the Dons are chugging along, he's basically coming in as a 2nd or 3rd year player at this point.

I think he should do what's best for him and I'm sure Essendon will be compensated fairly. It might not be fair but it's life.

 

[The Fact]

Yeah, that's the main issue. Essendon have been great to Gumby and he should be eternally grateful to them, but the fact is he will struggle to keep his spot even when he's fit currently if the rest of the Dons are chugging along, he's basically coming in as a 2nd or 3rd year player at this point.

I think he should do what's best for him and I'm sure Essendon will be compensated fairly. It might not be fair but it's life.

Why will he struggle to keep his spot when he is fit? he is our chf after all i'm not sure u know our list that well.

 

[foj1]

Essendon were very kreen on Sheridan before the 2011 draft. I wonder if Lyon and bond would pull the trigger? An earlier poster stated Sheridan was a first round pick but that was in a compromised draft which really equates to pick35. On balance I would prefer gumby to stay but Sheridan is a fair swap imho

 

[Bradesmaen]

Essendon were very kreen on Sheridan before the 2011 draft. I wonder if Lyon and bond would pull the trigger? An earlier poster stated Sheridan was a first round pick but that was in a compromised draft which really equates to pick35. On balance I would prefer gumby to stay but Sheridan is a fair swap imho

Huh? How does that equate to pick 35.. being picked at pick 16?

 

[Masto]

Daniher hasn't played a game yet, he might need 2-4 years before he is even ready Gumby still has a place

Even if he holds down the fort for a year its inevitable that he will leave elsewhere IMO. The sooner he gets to a 2nd club the better chance he will have of forging an AFL career.

 

[Masto]

Essendon were very kreen on Sheridan before the 2011 draft. I wonder if Lyon and bond would pull the trigger? An earlier poster stated Sheridan was a first round pick but that was in a compromised draft which really equates to pick35. On balance I would prefer gumby to stay but Sheridan is a fair swap imho

I don't think there is any chance of that. The fact Gumbleton was selected at #2 years ago is irrelevant.

 

[longdaveyjetta]

Huh? How does that equate to pick 35.. being picked at pick 16?

Because of all the 17 year olds taken the year before by the starter clubs, that draft was depleted...

 

[PTizzle]

Why will he struggle to keep his spot when he is fit? he is our chf after all i'm not sure u know our list that well.

You guys have an abundance of forward talent. Hurley, Crameri, Ryder and Daniher coming in this season. If every bloke (including Gumby) was fit, this could let you throw Hurley in defense, but currently is he really a better idea than playing Hurley/Crameri/resting ruck? He's a back-up at this stage and like I said, should be looked at as not a six year player but a player restarting his career. Thus I think this leaves him down the pecking order at the Dons.

Keep in mind he came in Round 16 after not exactly setting the VFL on fire and kept his spot because he did his job with Hurley, Crameri and Ryder out. He played well against the Hawks and was alright for his other few games.

Just going by what I've seen, I think for an opposition supporter I know your list okay (obviously not as good as a Dons supporter).

 

[The Fact]

Even if he holds down the fort for a year its inevitable that he will leave elsewhere IMO. The sooner he gets to a 2nd club the better chance he will have of forging an AFL career.

Umm i'm not so sure. It could even work out in a couple years we trade out belly and have a forward line of hurley gumby with ryder and jd being the 3rd tall really who knows but to just write him off in a year is a bit silly i think.

 

[longdaveyjetta]

You guys have an abundance of forward talent. Hurley, Crameri, Ryder and Daniher coming in this season. If every bloke (including Gumby) was fit, this could let you throw Hurley in defense, but currently is he really a better idea than playing Hurley/Crameri/resting ruck? He's a back-up at this stage and like I said, should be looked at as not a six year player but a player restarting his career. Thus I think this leaves him down the pecking order at the Dons.

Keep in mind he came in Round 16 after not exactly setting the VFL on fire and kept his spot because he did his job with Hurley, Crameri and Ryder out. He played well against the Hawks and was alright for his other few games.

Just going by what I've seen, I think for an opposition supporter I know your list okay (obviously not as good as a Dons supporter).

You nailed it, we can afford to let Gumby go give we also have Steinberg on the waiting list....But only for a decent trade, otherwise he is a must keep.

 

[The Fact]

You guys have an abundance of forward talent. Hurley, Crameri, Ryder and Daniher coming in this season. If every bloke (including Gumby) was fit, this could let you throw Hurley in defense, but currently is he really a better idea than playing Hurley/Crameri/resting ruck? He's a back-up at this stage and like I said, should be looked at as not a six year player but a player restarting his career. Thus I think this leaves him down the pecking order at the Dons.

Keep in mind he came in Round 16 after not exactly setting the VFL on fire and kept his spot because he did his job with Hurley, Crameri and Ryder out. He played well against the Hawks and was alright for his other few games.

Just going by what I've seen, I think for an opposition supporter I know your list okay (obviously not as good as a Dons supporter).

Crameri isn't a tall forward and shouldn't be played as one but thats another thread in its self. Ryder imo isn't good enough at being a key forward for a whole game he does attack the ball enough and doesn't make enough contests, id muchh rather him at chb. JD well really he will be a first year player and it might take him 2-4 to be playing AFL standard footy so really he isn't that far down the pecking order only behind Hurley really.

On Gumby this year he had no pre season because of his back surgery and was always going to struggle running around out there i think everyone pretty much excepted that and i think thats hard to disagree with.

Not sure what the last part has to do with gumby but thanks i think we are ok to.

 

[PTizzle]

You nailed it, we can afford to let Gumby go give we also have Steinberg on the waiting list....But only for a decent trade, otherwise he is a must keep.

Yeah, I would agree you could certainly keep him if you could, having a back-up that can perform when needed and available like him is gold. I just think from Gumby's point of view after struggling with injury and (hopefully) being relatively past it he might not be too happy to wait in the wings with a one year deal. I think he'd stay with two years being offered.

Crameri isn't a tall forward and shouldn't be played as one but thats another thread in its self. Ryder imo isn't good enough at being a key forward for a whole game he does attack the ball enough and doesn't make enough contests, id muchh rather him at chb. JD well really he will be a first year player and it might take him 2-4 to be playing AFL standard footy so really he isn't that far down the pecking order only behind Hurley really.

On Gumby this year he had no pre season because of his back surgery and was always going to struggle running around out there i think everyone pretty much excepted that and i think thats hard to disagree with.

Not sure what the last part has to do with gumby but thanks i think we are ok to.

Fact it that regardless of what he should be, he was your leading goalkicker this year so his position is unlikely to change in the near future. I agree with Ryder, he excels as a first ruck but again history leads me to believe he will play the forward/ruck role with Bellchambers doing the ruck/forward role. Daniher will take time, but Gumbleton isn't a seasoned player and shouldn't be put that far ahead of Daniher based on the amount of games played as he's getting his touch back still.

Yeah, that's fine, I think he played fine this season and I'm not trying to argue that. I just think that if your list is fit, going on this season, come round 1, 2013 he wouldn't be automatically first 22. Then as Daniher and Hurley improve it might make it harder. Again, you'd do well to keep him, but I'm just not sure if it'd be what he wants.

Was just referring to you saying that I didn't know your list that well in the last bit.

Probably getting a bit off-topic here, just adding a neutrals thoughts on why Gumby might not want to stay.

 

[RearNaked]

fyfe why not gold coast expected hurley for caddy last year. in all seriousness i do not want to see him go put to much time into him.

 

[more_of_bito]

Watson 500k, Ryder 500k, Hurley 600k if Bombers get Goddard 800k. I'm only guessing salary but have got a feeling the negotiations with Gumbleton might be in the range of 3rd rounder. surely there has got to be a squeeze here on the cap?
As for Suban (2nd rnd), Sheridan (1st round), Pitt (1st round) All under 22yo.. IMO No chance. Roberton maybe (3rd round) but with our backline he is needed.. Gumbleton being a 1st round is now irrelevent he is the most injury riddled player in the past 6 years, so for me Freo will give either 3rd round, wait for PSD or pass.
I'm pretty sure read he's good mates with Watson so likely will stay, unfortunately he's one injury away from being delisted next year so his call to take the gamble.... Or should i say the gumble...boom, boom, tish

 

[Bradesmaen]

Because of all the 17 year olds taken the year before by the starter clubs, that draft was depleted...

And who is to say that he wasn't better than some of those?

 

[yakka man]

Because of all the 17 year olds taken the year before by the starter clubs, that draft was depleted...

But that doesn't mean we should expect to trade pick 16 this year for Coniglio does it? Sheridan for Gumby wouldn't be a good trade for us to make at this point.

 

[longdaveyjetta]

And who is to say that he wasn't better than some of those?

The recruiters who picked those 17 year olds!!! Think about your question....It doesn't quite make sense as they were picked a year apart.....Get it?

Anyway, we'll keep Gumby if there is no suitable trade.....What do you think is a fair trade?

 

[yakka man]

The recruiters who picked those 17 year olds!!! Think about your question....It doesn't quite make sense as they were picked a year apart.....Get it?

Anyway, we'll keep Gumby if there is no suitable trade.....What do you think is a fair trade?

But remember they could only pick 17 year olds born early on in the year. They didn't have access to every kid in the draft. Some of their 17 year old selections have been duds.

 

[longdaveyjetta]

But remember they could only pick 17 year olds born early on in the year. They didn't have access to every kid in the draft. Some of their 17 year old selections have been duds.

Agreed, but to be honest so could the boy Sheridan...I've never seen him but he sounds like he has potential...Who would you offer as a trade for Gumby? Someone who has experience....
Broughton?

 

[yakka man]

Agreed, but to be honest so could the boy Sheridan...I've never seen him but he sounds like he has potential...Who would you offer as a trade for Gumby? Someone who has experience....
Broughton?

Broughton has had a bit of a down year and then got injured but the last two years before that he has been top 5 in our B&F both years and is worth more than Gumby. Someone like Suban would be close. But he has played more than double the games (62) than Gumby and is two years younger so even that might not be a fair trade for us.

To be fair we will never see eye to eye because I don't think he is worth that much any more. Especially seeing as you will only offer him a one year contract and his injury history.

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

I don't know why he needs a fresh start for? No matter where he goes his past is his past its not like essendon have done anything wrong by him or wont give him a chance to play.

I think a fresh start will be good for the following reasons:

He will get a 2 year deal so less pressure to immediately perform
He will get to work with some different fitness staff. Who might have a fresh view on how to manage him differently
Essendon as a club have struggled with injuries over the last few years.
He should have a fresh new mindset and go in with a positive outlook into a place which doesn't remind him of rehab
I would recommend the Swans they seam to get the best out of recycled players and he would make a good foil for Reid (Roberts Thompson is getting a bit long in the tooth as well). Freo or Bulldogs would also work.

 

[PykeDream]

Broughton was third in our B & F last year, he's a bit of a forgotten man because of an injury riddled season. Doubt he would be on the table either, although he currently remains out of contract and stranger things have happened.

On a semi-relevant note, Broughton is one player from Freo that I think we will go after particularly if he remains out of contract. We really need an experienced back pocket with Doughty's retirement and Johncock's inability to remain down back - Reilly and Rutten are about it for experienced defenders. He probably wouldn't be super keen on leaving WA though, and probably feels that he owes Freo for the rookie chance he was given.

We don't have any WA players on our list apart from Van Berlo, and I'm not sure who Freo would be interested in.

 

[PTizzle]

On a semi-relevant note, Broughton is one player from Freo that I think we will go after particularly if he remains out of contract. We really need an experienced back pocket with Doughty's retirement and Johncock's inability to remain down back - Reilly and Rutten are about it for experienced defenders. He probably wouldn't be super keen on leaving WA though, and probably feels that he owes Freo for the rookie chance he was given.

We don't have any WA players on our list apart from Van Berlo, and I'm not sure who Freo would be interested in.

Hey Thommo, what's the go with Johncock anyways? Is he close to retirement? I think he's better than playing as a sub.

 

[headache1]

Hey Thommo, what's the go with Johncock anyways? Is he close to retirement? I think he's better than playing as a sub.

We're not sure to be honest. Played reasonably well as a small forward. The thing with Johncock is that he's never been truly dedicated to his fitness. Smoked for a lot of his career (although I think he's quit now), and without fail turns up to pre-season with a beer belly. Up until this year, his talent has made up for the shortcomings in terms of his preparation, but he's reached the stage now where if he wants to push on and keep playing at a high level in the AFL, he's going to have to work hard to do so.