GWS - inability to land players

[Kenno27]

Given Buddy effectively knocking them back, what ramifications does it have for the Giants?

No player wants to go to them and they are an undesirable location.

It says a lot when Bud is knocking back the extra money GWS were offering him.

 

[rumply]

Cant really make that call until the trade period is over, still plenty of players considering the move I would suspect.

 

[IanW]

Given Buddy effectively knocking them back, what ramifications does it have for the Giants?

No player wants to go to them and they are an undesirable location.

It says a lot when Bud is knocking back the extra money GWS were offering him.

Means we have more money to spend on keeping our kids - and note that despite what the doomsayers said, the talent we picked up is staying at GWS ... Taylor Adams is arguably the first kid we've lost to go home/more money/cultural factors.

Bluntly, average talent players dont go to GWS because the odds are too high that they'll get worked out of the firsts by some kid or other, and high talent players generally want to go to a club in it's premiership window.

So we'll hire one or two one-last-year players, make a good offer to a Heath Shaw or a Mumford or both, and spend money on making sure kids like Cameron, Coniglio and so on stay at the club.

Stick with the plan, in short.

 

[saintkildaman]

'No player wants to go them'
Buddy is one of the only players to publicly knock them back. I don't think they have an issue, especially with the amount of cash they have.

 

[MrPresident]

The Giants chose this path. If they were serious they would have traded half of all their first round picks. Had a solid team from day 1. Instead they went the tank early, superteam later approach. That will work but you can't be surprised when a superstar leaves 600k a year on the table to not play for a 1 win team.

 

[Mountain Giant]

Given Buddy effectively knocking them back, what ramifications does it have for the Giants?

No player wants to go to them and they are an undesirable location.

It says a lot when Bud is knocking back the extra money GWS were offering him.

Players play in Adelaide, Geelong and Perth, so I don't see West Sydney as being undesirable compared to those places (I personally would add Melbourne as well, but I kind of get why people would want to live in Melbourne ahead of West Sydney).

Playing for GWS is still a gamble. Everyone will line up when we are knocking on the door of finals football with a group of 22-23 year olds.

Also, look what has happened to Gilham and Thorton, you need to be better than nearly whole generation of 18-20 year olds to keep your place in the team.

 

[IanW]

The Giants chose this path. If they were serious they would have traded half of all their first round picks. Had a solid team from day 1. Instead they went the tank early, superteam later approach. That will work but you can't be surprised when a superstar leaves 600k a year on the table to not play for a 1 win team.

Just on that, the collection of spuds Melbourne and Fremantle got when they tried this approach shows that it has serious downsides.

 

[mcgarnacle]

Some Melbourne folks (eg Eddie) have done a great job at deriding the area the club is supposed to be based and is representing. As it is, the club isn't based in that area now that they've moved all their admin and training facilities to Olympic Park. It's still 'technically' (only just) western sydney, but it's practically the inner west region of the sydney metropolitan. It's definitely closer to swans areas and the scg itself than the areas of GWS that the club is supposed to Be representing. Still damage has been done by the initial derision.

And really, if you're moving to sydney and have the coin, you'll want to immerse yourself in the lifestyle the Eastern suburbs offers. Moore park is close by and there is no need to drive the one hr return trip down parramatta rd or Victoria rd everyday to get Olympic park.

 

[MrPresident]

Just on that, the collection of spuds Melbourne and Fremantle got when they tried this approach shows that it has serious downsides.

I understand the potential negative side to going for results early. And I understand going for the long term which is what GWS did. But when you do everything from day 1 with long term gain in mind you can't be surprised when there is plenty of pain in the short term.

Part of that pain includes established stars leaving money on the table to go elsewhere.

 

[doppleganger]

Undesirable location is utter garbage.

Why do they have to live where they train??

How many Hawks players live in Mulgrave, Saints players live in Seaford, Essendon players live in Tullamarine etc

GWS has chosen to go the kids, will it work long term...wait and see

 

[IanW]

I understand the potential negative side to going for results early. And I understand going for the long term which is what GWS did. But when you do everything from day 1 with long term gain in mind you can't be surprised when there is plenty of pain in the short term.

Part of that pain includes established stars leaving money on the table to go elsewhere.

You appear to be mistaking me for someone who thought GWS' pursuit of Franklin, and various other established stars, was a good idea.

Me, I say we go to war with the kids we've got, plus polyfilla as available - guys like Chapman and Hunt, and other delisted one-last-year types, backed up with the occasional kid basketballer and other speculative bets.

We've got enough talent on the flag to split the money between the kids already on the list, and get to where we can challenge for a flag.

 

[Altum Volantes]

Can take a few years - look at Freo, it was about 5-10 years before they could attract anyone over (Modra, Croad, Tarrant, Headland etc). Early days was more Chris Bond and the ilk.

If anything, they lost players first - Jeff White for example.

 

[Belnakor]

tbh i reckon they have dodged a bullet

 

[The_Reaper]

Players play in Adelaide, Geelong and Perth, so I don't see West Sydney as being undesirable compared to those places (I personally would add Melbourne as well, but I kind of get why people would want to live in Melbourne ahead of West Sydney).

Playing for GWS is still a gamble. Everyone will line up when we are knocking on the door of finals football with a group of 22-23 year olds.

Also, look what has happened to Gilham and Thorton, you need to be better than nearly whole generation of 18-20 year olds to keep your place in the team.

Adelaide, Geelong and Perth also produce enough players to get recruits via the go home factor.

 

[Synth]

GWS just announced their offer to Buddy was $1.2m a season. So no surprise he wants to take $1.4m at Swans.

 

[The_Reaper]

GWS are better off with out Franklin anyway.

 

[IanW]

GWS just announced their offer to Buddy was $1.2m a season. So no surprise he wants to take $1.4m at Swans.

My guess is that was $1.2m in on-cap and third-party money, not including any AFL "ambassador" payments.

This would explain the radical differences in the numbers being thrown around (well, either that or people were making up stuff).

 

[Synth]

My guess is that was $1.2m in on-cap and third-party money, not including any AFL "ambassador" payments.

This would explain the radical differences in the numbers being thrown around (well, either that or people were making up stuff).

Buddy would still get ambassador money at Swans too. AFL will use his image in almost every ad from here on in and effectively take over the Adam Goodes role.

 

[coryne]

Given Buddy effectively knocking them back, what ramifications does it have for the Giants?

No player wants to go to them and they are an undesirable location.

It says a lot when Bud is knocking back the extra money GWS were offering him.

Sydney were, reportedly, offering an extra $200k/year (plus possibility of extras from the AFL). Sydney's deal is only 5 years not the 6 which the GWS offered (and the 12 mill amount included possible supplementation by the AFL)


I don't think the AFL/GWS expected that SYdney could trump the GWS's deal (and god knows how that is actually possible)

 

[master bate]

Sydney were, reportedly, offering an extra $200k/year (plus possibility of extras from the AFL). Sydney's deal is only 5 years not the 6 which the GWS offered (and the 12 mill amount included possible supplementation by the AFL)


I don't think the AFL/GWS expected that SYdney could trump the GWS's deal (and god knows how that is actually possible)

Obviously the GWS deal would've made him more cash but the Sydney money was enough to entice him away from Hawthorn and obviously the Sydney lifestyle was worth more than the extra cash from GWS.

Breakfast point might work with the kids but it wont work with high profile players it seems.

 

[markm106]

It seems they are stuggling to attract quality experianced players with more than a cuople of years left. Sure tey can keep the money aside to pay the kids ad keep them there but whp says they won't want out as well in future. I'm tippiong they would have loved to have snagged a couple more and now they seemingly can't they will talk about paying and keeping the kids.

 

[krisholio14]

Inability to land players? The only reason Buddy isn't going to the Giants is because the offer that was actually on the table was nowhere near what was being speculated.

 

[master bate]

Inability to land players? The only reason Buddy isn't going to the Giants is because the offer that was actually on the table was nowhere near what was being speculated.

How do you know that. He was going to get 1.2 for 6 years from GWS directly. AFL were sure to chip in for ambassador duties. Would certainly have been much higher than Sydneys 1.4 for 5 years.

 

[chunkylover53]

Means we have more money to spend on keeping our kids - and note that despite what the doomsayers said, the talent we picked up is staying at GWS ... Taylor Adams is arguably the first kid we've lost to go home/more money/cultural factors.

You completely ****ed up with Adams.

GWS kept delaying contract talks and just kept saying "we'll wait and see what Buddy does". He cracked it at the way he was treated and requested a trade. Had GWS got their shit together and treated their kids right, they wouldn't have lost one of their best mids.

 

[Colonial]

Given Buddy effectively knocking them back, what ramifications does it have for the Giants?

No player wants to go to them and they are an undesirable location.

It says a lot when Bud is knocking back the extra money GWS were offering him.

What dribble. We have had no players knock us back. The Swans offered more than what we were prepared to offer so we pulled out of the race. That's hardly a smackdown on the club or location.