GWS - inability to land players

[Scotland]

Like Fremantle did ? My, but was that a recepie for success !

And that early Brisbane Bears side ? Full of decent senior players.

The Freo and Brisbane start-up concessions were nothing like those given to GWS.

 

[Tas]

Again, I'd like to know the deals we knocked back.

Check the various boards in 2010 about all the players we went after, and you'll find that teams locked them up and dint want to trade them.

They didn't want to lose them as free agents, if you went to West Coast and said we will give you O'Meara, but we want Priddis plus some currency then do you think they would have said no?

I think GWS was expecting an A-grade player, which people weren't as keen on. I think if you got 4 or so more mature mids with 2 genuine inside extractors then the kids would have been less exposed.

So we've gone with a bunch of kids, and while I'd have liked one more goal against the Doggies, the Dees not to have their only good quarter in five years and maybe - just maybe - staying on our feet for 20 minutes longer against Collingwood, Im happy with how it's all gone.

But I think through this trade period, we'll sign a ruckman, get a half back flanker and have some more money to give Jeremy Cameron.

Don't get me wrong, I am not predicting doom n' gloom, just said it would have been better for GWS overall, would have made the club more attractive and would make retention easier. I still think the club will do fine, it will just take longer to get to that point.

 

[IanW]

They didn't want to lose them as free agents, if you went to West Coast and said we will give you O'Meara, but we want Priddis plus some currency then do you think they would have said no?

I think GWS was expecting an A-grade player, which people weren't as keen on. I think if you got 4 or so more mature mids with 2 genuine inside extractors then the kids would have been less exposed.



Don't get me wrong, I am not predicting doom n' gloom, just said it would have been better for GWS overall, would have made the club more attractive and would make retention easier. I still think the club will do fine, it will just take longer to get to that point.

Yes. I do think they would have said no, because exactly those players had signed extentions with their own clubs as the expansion clubs came in, because they wanted to play for their own clubs.

And with the recent example of Rischitelli choosing to leave after he was hung out to dry with the Fevola trade, clubs werent inclined to risk annoying their existing players by shopping them behind their back.

But, again, I'd like you to tell me what B-grade players GWS was offered for it's mini draft picks and so on.

Name the names.

 

[master bate]

They didn't want to lose them as free agents, if you went to West Coast and said we will give you O'Meara, but we want Priddis plus some currency then do you think they would have said no?

I think GWS was expecting an A-grade player, which people weren't as keen on. I think if you got 4 or so more mature mids with 2 genuine inside extractors then the kids would have been less exposed.

Don't get me wrong, I am not predicting doom n' gloom, just said it would have been better for GWS overall, would have made the club more attractive and would make retention easier. I still think the club will do fine, it will just take longer to get to that point.

The longer it takes the more it drains from the competition which means the more likely it is Tas for your Kangas to go bust. That's the reality of it. The move of Franklin to the swans instead of the giants hurts the competition.

Flags are a great way to win fans but the long sustained periods of success even without the win is what gets the growth. GWS at the moment seem to be putting everything in the youth basket in hope they race up the ladder and win a flag. All the time whilst no one turns up to watch. Sydney didn't win a flag until 2005 but had established themselves as a decent club to go and watch since at least the mid 90's.

 

[Tiger2709]

I cant believe you are comparing Perth (where the growth has started to drop like a rock in a lake) to the open relaxed growing greatness that is Western Sydney... You obviously have serious issues.

Whatever takes your fancy, my serious issues are I like nice hot weather with miles and miles of beautiful white ocean beaches, oh and no drive by shootings

I'm originally from Melbourne and love it there as well but as you get older the dry Perth climate is great.

As for your growth falling like a rock comment, not sure where you get that from, did you do a personal head count because according to the Bureau of Statistics
The population of Australia's capital cities grew by 10.2% from 2007 to 2012, faster than the rest of Australia (6.8%). Greater Perth had the fastest growth of all capital cities at 17%, ahead of Greater Darwin (13%) and Greater Brisbane (12%). The slowest growth was in Greater Hobart (5.0%).

All states and territories recorded positive population growth in the year ended 31 March 2013. Western Australia continued to record the fastest growth rate of all states and territories at 3.4%. Tasmania recorded the slowest growth rate at 0.1%.

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@...rodno=3218.0&issue=2012&num=&view=#PARALINK10

 

[Cylon7]

If the GWS recruiters are struggling, perhaps new ones need to be employed.

I'd look for people who love the game before any other attribute or motive.

 

[Theo X]

They already got their "marquee" player in Tom Scully.

 

[The_Reaper]

Whatever takes your fancy, my serious issues are I like nice hot weather with miles and miles of beautiful white ocean beaches, oh and no drive by shootings

I'm originally from Melbourne and love it there as well but as you get older the dry Perth climate is great.

As for your growth falling like a rock comment, not sure where you get that from, did you do a personal head count because according to the Bureau of Statistics
The population of Australia's capital cities grew by 10.2% from 2007 to 2012, faster than the rest of Australia (6.8%). Greater Perth had the fastest growth of all capital cities at 17%, ahead of Greater Darwin (13%) and Greater Brisbane (12%). The slowest growth was in Greater Hobart (5.0%).

All states and territories recorded positive population growth in the year ended 31 March 2013. Western Australia continued to record the fastest growth rate of all states and territories at 3.4%. Tasmania recorded the slowest growth rate at 0.1%.

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Latestproducts/3218.0Main Features32012?opendocument&tabname=Summary&prodno=3218.0&issue=2012&num=&view=#PARALINK10

Not to mention that the football support in Perth dwarfs NSW + QLD.

 

[snitzel]

$10.000.000 over 9 years for a 27 year old. No thanks, next thread.

 

[mcgarnacle]

Point being he could live somewhere like Paddington or Double Bay and be 20km of Olympic Park.

This is no different to a player living in South Yarra and commuting the 25km out to Waverley Park.

what bit about traffic did you not understand?

and Franklin can 'choose' where he wants to work.

Other decent free agents can 'choose' where they want to work too.

Living in the east, working out at OP...........those who can choose where they work in Sydney won't do it. Frankly, why waste that extra 45 mins every day on Parramatta or Victoria Rds when there is a closer, and frankly, much better option........especially during off-season training over the summer. No brainer, and I'd do same if I was offered millions by the two clubs, irrespective of my support for Sydney.

furthermore, there are a few that probably don't want all the additional BS that comes with having to promote the Giants in the market. this entails many excursions into the guts of western Sydney. sure, the AFL will compensate them for it, but high profile players who want to leave Melbourne are trying to get away from such media commitments and the choice of the swans looks much better. beach, footy. footy, beach. all in a town that largely won't give a **** who they are. cruzey lifestyle, don't you think?

 

[El Topo]

Serious questions need no be asked about GWS's development strategy. Going all in with the draft and trading later for experience sounds good on paper, but we're finding that to poach opposition stars, the team needs to be a bit more competitive.
GC got it right, GWS got it wrong.

 

[fabulousphil]

GWS will get there, and they will land some decent players ...... Mumford anyone, and a few others.

They will be quite competetive early next year.

 

[loki04]

$10.000.000 over 9 years for a 27 year old. No thanks, next thread.

and one who can't even mark.

He is a 6'6 HFF.

 

[Gaz_Brownlow]

Serious questions need no be asked about GWS's development strategy. Going all in with the draft and trading later for experience sounds good on paper, but we're finding that to poach opposition stars, the team needs to be a bit more competitive.
GC got it right, GWS got it wrong.

How can you say that? GC were ordinary last year and Ablett aside, there experienced players have been woeful.

Lets give it a little more time and see how the Giants go after 50-80 games together. Ward, Scully, Davis are only getting better too.....hopefully they do top up with another star, but they don't need to go over the top, results will come.

If I were GWS, and having missed an opportunity with Franklin, I might be tempted to look at a few discarded veterans for a year or two to boost morale and wait until the kids develop further. Could do a hell of a lot worse than Chapman, Hunt, Corey and Pods from Geelong!

I think we will see GWS being consistently competitive over four quarters next year and they will surprise a few.

 

[mightymouse75]

Really dumb sydney, not as stupid as fev and Brisbane but very close.

 

[Onetonylockett]

They can't attract players because of the CoLA. Get rid of the CoLA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

oh wait.

 

[Gigantor]

Does this mean the end of Sydney's no-dickheads policy?

 

[Deefolt]

Given Buddy effectively knocking them back, what ramifications does it have for the Giants?

No player wants to go to them and they are an undesirable location.

It says a lot when Bud is knocking back the extra money GWS were offering him.

swans oddly offered more money... silly thread really? swans also chance of flag now, giants aren't...

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Does this mean the end of Sydney's no-dickheads policy?

When did it start?

 

[Byron_Clanger]

They didn't seem to have an issue with Scully, Ward, Brogan, Cornes, Giles, Palmer, Davis, McDonald, ect, ect

 

[Damon_3388]

The club exposed too many unprepared kids at the same time, especially in the middle, which is why they have struggled to be competitive.

And people were expecting otherwise?

Being competitive would not only make the club more attractive to lure players in but would make it easier to retain players, and for less if they buy into what is going on. Getting thumped almost every week would be demoralising.

You say this as though other players and fans don't understand the reason why they're losing currently. It's not because "they're shit" or because the club is "a basketcase", so nobody will look at it this way.

 

[Tas]

And people were expecting otherwise?

I wasn't expecting them to be competitive with the players they poached from other clubs.

You say this as though other players and fans don't understand the reason why they're losing currently. It's not because "they're shit" or because the club is "a basketcase", so nobody will look at it this way.

Of course they are shit. If you get your pants pulled down by 100 points, you are shit. Doesn't matter if you have players with talent, the team is shit.

 

[master bate]

They didn't seem to have an issue with Scully, Ward, Brogan, Cornes, Giles, Palmer, Davis, McDonald, ect, ect

Yeah
Retired: Brogan, Cornes, McDonald
Not getting a game: Sam Reid, Palmer, Thornton, O'Hailpin, Gilham
Not getting close to earning the cash: Scully, Davis
Not in the code any more: Folau

Ward is the only guy who's done well out of their mature recruits. That's abysmal.

And now they seem happy to let Taylor Adams leave even though he's been impacting games and winning clearances. Not to mention they passed on drafting Brody Grundy multiple times despite not having a promising young ruckman.

Silvagni doesn't have a recruiting background and should never have been put in charge of such an important AFL project and Gubby Allan hasn't been any good since the 80's and help set Brisbane back a long way.

 

[Demonheart]

Again, the comparison is Melbourne's signings for the season we just had.

Thank you, but I'd prefer to stick with getting games into our kids rather than the likes of Rodan, Dawes and Gysberts - yes, Clark was a good get, but it's a hit rate of worse than 50%.

Finally, as kids leave, we'll trade them out, getting more draft picks to keep rolling the dice.

There is a role for free agency, but it's to fill specific gaps - including renting leadership, the way we did with James McDonald - but not to try and build a team.

You really have to do something about your obsession with us Ian, it's been fun for all of us but it's time to move on.

 

[Albert Ross]

It will be a tough for a year or two until the kids balls drop and they are a bit more competitive. It was why they were better off trading for some decent senior players at inception.

Tried. The youth policy wasn't by design. Players with choices don't want to play for a losing club with no tradition or support. Kids in the draft, and blokes being cut by their teams, are about the only ones without any choice.