Review Hamish 2021

[ABAB]

Rory Sloane was taken at pick 44. Too early to say if Edwards will reach that level but people saying "who cares its just pick 38" are deluding themselves.

Hamish's one redeeming quality was finding quality late in the draft. If we can't even rely on him for that anymore, he can fu** off.

And credit to our development of Sloane into the player he become with pick 44 when other clubs didn't see his potential with their earlier picks.

 

[Sanders]

Rory Sloane was taken at pick 44. Too early to say if Edwards will reach that level but people saying "who cares its just pick 38" are deluding themselves.

Hamish's one redeeming quality was finding quality late in the draft. If we can't even rely on him for that anymore, he can fu** off.

Pick 38 is around the end of the 2nd round.

A 2nd round pick is NOT a late pick

 

[Johnny Rutten]

Rory Sloane was taken at pick 44. Too early to say if Edwards will reach that level but people saying "who cares its just pick 38" are deluding themselves.

Hamish's one redeeming quality was finding quality late in the draft. If we can't even rely on him for that anymore, he can fu** off.

Depends what you consider to be 'late in the draft' (my definition would be 50+), but Hamish's last 5 ND picks over 35 have been Rowe, Gollant, O'Connor, Sholl & McPherson. All still listed, all still capable of becoming decent players.

Look, Hamish is no recruiting genius. I'm happy for him to be moved on if this rebuild fails, and I'm sure he will be if it does.

 

[StonesThrow]

Rory Sloane was taken at pick 44. Too early to say if Edwards will reach that level but people saying "who cares its just pick 38" are deluding themselves.

Hamish's one redeeming quality was finding quality late in the draft. If we can't even rely on him for that anymore, he can fu** off.

This is a genuine tantrum.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Pick 38 is around the end of the 2nd round.

A 2nd round pick is NOT a late pick

The point I'm trying to make is that we know we can't rely on Hamish to get his first round picks right, he needs to get every ounce of quality from the rest of the draft if he's any chance of making up for that hideous deficiency.

This is a genuine tantrum.

Yep. I'm totally pissed off. Not denying it.

 

[ABAB]

The point I'm trying to make is that we know we can't rely on Hamish to get his first round picks right, he needs to get every ounce of quality from the rest of the draft if he's any chance of making up for that hideous deficiency.


Yep. I'm totally pissed off. Not denying it.

He did get Thilthorpe right when most here were saying McDonald or Holland and Pedlar looks like the dynamic midfield we are after, McHenry has turn out to be right, Jones/Fogarty starting to show their potential as right and McAsey was always going to take a few years to develop as a KPD but is developing nicely in the SANFL.

 

[Johnny Rutten]

Pick 38 is around the end of the 2nd round.

A 2nd round pick is NOT a late pick

A 2nd round pick was 'late' in the evening last year.

The point I'm trying to make is that we know we can't rely on Hamish to get his first round picks right, he needs to get every ounce of quality from the rest of the draft if he's any chance of making up for that hideous deficiency.


Yep. I'm totally pissed off. Not denying it.

Last 10 first round picks-:

Tick - Thilthorpe, Doedee, Milera
Getting there - Fogarty
Too early - Cook, Pedlar
Questionable, but improving - McAsey, McHenry, Jones
Cross - Gallucci

What's really missing from the above is a fully-fledged budding superstar... Thilthorpe, the most likely.

 

[ABAB]

A 2nd round pick was 'late' in the evening last year.


Last 10 first round picks-:

Tick - Thilthorpe, Doedee, Milera
Getting there - Fogarty
Too early - Cook, Pedlar
Questionable, but improving - McAsey, McHenry, Jones
Cross - Gallucci

What's really missing from the above is a fully-fledged budding superstar... Thilthorpe, the most likely.

Doedee will be an A grader and Milera was trending that way then had a very poor season and then injuries.

 

[Golumless]

That response wasn’t hesitant

Not really, I'm genuinely hopeful with Hinge makes it.

I suppose you could say I'm genuinely hopeful to the point I'm hesitant to judge anything to do with the Hinge pick, and if it was a good idea at this point.

We clearly didn't rate Edwards. Possibly looking like a mistake (he was really impressive tonight), but early days.

I've no issue with our recruits from last year, they are all showing something. Luke looks like he has improved rapidly at the Eagles. Good luck to him.

Not rating a player, and rating someone higher are different concepts.

I don't at this point either, the first four all look like good picks at this very early point (as they all should), and Rowe looks ok. Not setting the world on fire, but could wedge himself in our squad for a long while yet with a big preseason.

Yeah it is

It's the start of the 3rd round (before NGAs/FS). Near smack bang in the middle of the draft if anything, if not starting to become a late pick depending on the year. The only caveat would be including the rookie draft, but even then that's not deep enough to make a pick in the late 30s anywhere but the middle.

It's a hard sell to persuade to me that anything beyond the typical first round (picks 1-18, none of this 26 picks in the first round nonsense that's propped up in recent times) is an early draft pick in the AFL system.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

A 2nd round pick was 'late' in the evening last year.


Last 10 first round picks-:

Tick - Thilthorpe, Doedee, Milera
Getting there - Fogarty
Too early - Cook, Pedlar
Questionable, but improving - McAsey, McHenry, Jones
Cross - Gallucci

What's really missing from the above is a fully-fledged budding superstar... Thilthorpe, the most likely.

Milera was drafted to play as a mid, ineffective as a forward, and we needed to shunt him to the backline to get any decent form out of him. That is not a victory for our recruiters. He is a tick in the sense that he's AFL quality when fit, but I'm never going to be satisfied spending good currency on a rebounding half back. They are the easiest type of players to recruit.

Fogarty certainly has talent but I'm not fully sold on him yet. As far as I can tell, he's the same player he's always been. He bobs up for a cameo where he looks like a gun and then fades out of games.

I'm sorry but Jones is a bust. Even if we turn him into a decent half back, which is no guarantee at this point, there is no way he will ever live up to his draft position. He was drafted to play as a mid. When you use your best pick on somebody to play one of the toughest roles on the ground and he fails so you move him to one of the easier roles, you've failed as a recruiter. You don't spend a top ten draft pick on a half back full stop. Those picks are for A-grade mids and key position players, maybe a small forward if they are particularly good.

McHenry I'd have in the "getting there" section. McAsey, Pedlar, Cook too early to make calls on.

Lever & Doedee were ticks.

Thilthorpe looks like a tick at this point. Early days but he looks like he will live up to his draft position.

If you look at Ogilvie's record in the first round, the only thing he's been reliable at picking are defenders. Everything else has been a crapshoot.

 

[Sanders]

Takes a pretty wild imagination to call Milera a tick

 

[ABAB]

Milera was drafted to play as a mid, ineffective as a forward, and we needed to shunt him to the backline to get any decent form out of him. That is not a victory for our recruiters. He is a tick in the sense that he's AFL quality when fit, but I'm never going to be satisfied spending good currency on a rebounding half back. They are the easiest type of players to recruit.

Fogarty certainly has talent but I'm not fully sold on him yet. As far as I can tell, he's the same player he's always been. He bobs up for a cameo where he looks like a gun and then fades out of games.

I'm sorry but Jones is a bust. Even if we turn him into a decent half back, which is no guarantee at this point, there is no way he will ever live up to his draft position. He was drafted to play as a mid. When you use your best pick on somebody to play one of the toughest roles on the ground and he fails so you move him to one of the easier roles, you've failed as a recruiter. You don't spend a top ten draft pick on a half back full stop. Those picks are for A-grade mids and key position players, maybe a small forward if they are particularly good.

McHenry I'd have in the "getting there" section. McAsey, Pedlar, Cook too early to make calls on.

Lever & Doedee were ticks.

Thilthorpe looks like a tick at this point. Early days but he looks like he will live up to his draft position.

If you look at Ogilvie's record in the first round, the only thing he's been reliable at picking are defenders. Everything else has been a crapshoot.

Jones provided some excellent inside 50s kicks and show us what he can do as a midfielder. As he build his confidence playing in the AFL, I think he will transition back into the midfield so I'm not writing him off as a midfielder.

 

[ABAB]

Takes a pretty wild imagination to call Milera a tick

He was developing well in his first 2 seasons after being drafted, had a break-out season were he showed he had the potential to be an A grader, and then a reasonable season after that break-out season (somehow Pyke decided to play him more forward) and then injuries so he is a tick.

 

[jackster83]

Takes a pretty wild imagination to call Milera a tick

Ryan Burton was better than him and Hawthorn still offloaded him as steak knives.

 

[Sanders]

Ryan Burton was better than him and Hawthorn still offloaded him as steak knives.

You can make a case that maybe he was tracking towards a pass, but all this A grade stuff is just delusional.

He’s not been a bad pick, 50% ish of first round picks suck, but he’s not a win.

And the problem for Hamish is the absence of the wins. Everyone has a few late round wins, that’s priced in - but what we lack is the big wins to pay for the expected losses

The weighted value of our portfolio has been slowly slipping back. Our stake being eroded by the small wins, expected losses and too frequent neutral passes

 

[hey shorty]

Rory Sloane was taken at pick 44. Too early to say if Edwards will reach that level but people saying "who cares its just pick 38" are deluding themselves.

Hamish's one redeeming quality was finding quality late in the draft. If we can't even rely on him for that anymore, he can fu** off.

Did you have a bit to drink last night ?? You're not normally this angry.

 

[hey shorty]

Milera was drafted to play as a mid, ineffective as a forward, and we needed to shunt him to the backline to get any decent form out of him. That is not a victory for our recruiters. He is a tick in the sense that he's AFL quality when fit, but I'm never going to be satisfied spending good currency on a rebounding half back. They are the easiest type of players to recruit.

Fogarty certainly has talent but I'm not fully sold on him yet. As far as I can tell, he's the same player he's always been. He bobs up for a cameo where he looks like a gun and then fades out of games.

I'm sorry but Jones is a bust. Even if we turn him into a decent half back, which is no guarantee at this point, there is no way he will ever live up to his draft position. He was drafted to play as a mid. When you use your best pick on somebody to play one of the toughest roles on the ground and he fails so you move him to one of the easier roles, you've failed as a recruiter. You don't spend a top ten draft pick on a half back full stop. Those picks are for A-grade mids and key position players, maybe a small forward if they are particularly good.

McHenry I'd have in the "getting there" section. McAsey, Pedlar, Cook too early to make calls on.

Lever & Doedee were ticks.

Thilthorpe looks like a tick at this point. Early days but he looks like he will live up to his draft position.

If you look at Ogilvie's record in the first round, the only thing he's been reliable at picking are defenders. Everything else has been a crapshoot.

Jones a bust even if he's a good half back ??

What a ridiculous statement.

 

[NavyRedGold]

Think this situation would be different if another club had picked up Edwards in the first or even second round - that would suggest a flaw in talent evaluation if we had passed on a F/S prospect that another recruiting team had viewed as a first rounder.

As things stand, at pick 52 the F/S part of the equation becomes a bit irrelevant. The Crows, as well as multiple other teams, had multiple chances to pick Edwards, and rated other players higher than him when those chances appeared. He had a great second game and good for him if he can go from pick 52 to A grade player, but if that happens I don't think it means the Crows recruiting department is any worse than all the other teams that passed on him.

 

[kirky]

You’ve posted this same drivel 3 times in the last few minutes

It wasn’t clever or interesting the first time

Because this footy board gets its panties all tied up in knots - have you ever seen the game day threads ffs. He is two games in - lets see how he develops over the next two years then you can make the call.

 

[hey shorty]

Edwards played a ripping game, no question.

As did Rowe on debut and a couple of others since.

 

[John Who]

I guess I should also note we've actually had 11 first round draft picks in the last 10 years, plus Brad Crouch. We've also traded two first round picks for Gibbs.

2011 - B. Crouch
2012 -
2013 -
2014 - Lever
2015 - Milera, Doedee
2016 - Gallucci
2017 - Fogarty, (Gibbs), (Gibbs)
2018 - Jones, McHenry
2019 - McAsey
2020 - Thilthorpe, Pedlar, Cook

30% strike rate of first rounders mentioned in the OP seems to be somewhat miscalculated.

Lever is definitely a good pick. He played a lot of games in his years with us and good enough to be poached by Melbourne. So that’s a tick for Hamish.

Milera and Doedee are definitely ticks also.

Galluci is a bit of an odd one. He was showing some really good signs (kicked 4-5 goals in one game?), but I feel it was the development side of things that had let him/us down. Just because he was delisted doesn’t mean he was a bust pick necessarily. Cross.

Fog isn’t currently setting the world on fire, but he seems more than likely to be an AFL regular at this stage. Tick.

Jones and McHenry. Underwhelming first handful of AFL games but both appear to be looking more comfortable at AFL level. They’re both playing now and with a trajectory of likely consolidating their places. Ticks (but still under review).

McAsey I haven’t seen enough of but in the AFL games he has been very underwhelming. Hopefully, he does a “Butts”, bides his time in SANFL and can carry it through at AFL at some stage later.

Thilthorpe is looking like a star already. BIG tick.

Pedlar is looking very solid from what I’ve seen of him. I think he is looking a tick at this stage. With Cook, need to see more of.

So with Hamish’s input, it seems a strike rate of 60-70% of the first rounders is more than likely. Bearing in mind also, his job is only to select talent. It’s then up to the coaches and fitness staff to develop/manage players so they can maximise their potential.

 

[1990crow]

Lever. Cross. Failed character review which might have indicated he would leave at first opportunity.
Milera. Tick.
Doedee. Tick.
Galluci. Cross. Delisted.
Fogarty. Tick. Could still turn into a cross though.
Jones. Cross. Failed midfielder taking up a half back spot that will go to Milera upon return from injury.
McHenry. Tick. Sort of.
McAsey. Too early but hasn't been good so far.
Thilthorpe. Tick.
Pedlar. Too early but looks good.

If McAsey and Pedlar become good AFL players it's 70 percent strike rate.
Would like better than that from first rounders. More like 90 percent.

 

[hey shorty]

Lever. Cross. Failed character review which might have indicated he would leave at first opportunity.
Milera. Tick.
Doedee. Tick.
Galluci. Cross. Delisted.
Fogarty. Tick. Could still turn into a cross though.
Jones. Cross. Failed midfielder taking up a half back spot that will go to Milera upon return from injury.
McHenry. Tick. Sort of.
McAsey. Too early but hasn't been good so far.
Thilthorpe. Tick.
Pedlar. Too early but looks good.

If McAsey and Pedlar become good AFL players it's 70 percent strike rate.
Would like better than that from first rounders. More like 90 percent.

70% would be a great strike rate, any club would be happy with that. Lever can't go down as a cross though, remember the "I want to captain this club" stuff.

Also, you do realise there's 2 HBF positions on a side, Jones on 1, Milera the other.

 

[skittlebrew]

Galluci is a bit of an odd one. He was showing some really good signs (kicked 4-5 goals in one game?), but I feel it was the development side of things that had let him/us down. Just because he was delisted doesn’t mean he was a bust pick necessarily. Cross.

Yeah nah that's the literal definition of a bust. Especially given no other team picked him up for free after we delisted him.

 

[Mutineer]

Yeah nah that's the literal definition of a bust. Especially given no other team picked him up for free after we delisted him.

Hardly surprising with him coming off a long term serious injury, not sure Gallucci's AFL career is absolutely over just yet if he plays some decent VFL footy for Williamstown.