Have Geelong become too powerful?

[Jake98]

Since when does 7/23 constitute 50 per cent.

I guess we liked to claim we were rebuilding when we rotated out the 07-11 flag players. Look where that got us. Stuck in the finals for another 13 years with half a dozen prelims, two grand finals and another flag without ever having to be shit. What would our staff know about the whole idea.

We should just hire you and be done with it.

Those "07-11 flag players" kept your club going all the way up to 2016. Then you got a virtual free agent in Dangerfield, and another in Jeremy Cameron who was basically traded in for Tim Kelly. Couple that with the last easy-mode father-son in Tom Hawkins along with a few more topups, and your club was able to sustain itself for a decent bit longer than other clubs.

Won't be nearly as easy as you seem to think it is from this point onwards. Bailey Smith is no Dangerfield, and there are no Jeremy Camerons available for a long time. No free high-end father/sons on the horizon, which you wouldn't be able to get for a mere third rounder again anyway.

Sure, tonight less than half the best 22 were 30+, but that just highlighted how far off your club's youth is. Geelong's youth is in the same tier as Collingwood and Richmond, which is to be expected following so many top-ups.

 

[Delisted]

Atkins is 28 and Kolo has just turned 29 a week ago.

So close!

 

[STPer18]

Geelong's youth is in the same tier as Richmond

Come on Jakey, don't lump us in with your mob. Not a half decent player under the age of 25 in that mess of a list.

 

[FootyLad0]

The vast majority of Geelong's wins this year have been driven by one or more of Dangerfield, Cameron, Stewart.
Hawkins had a big game against Adelaide early in the year. Stanley had a big game against the Bulldogs in Adelaide, then beat Luke Jackson last week, which was probably the difference between winning and losing against Fremantle.
Even if you want to say players like Blicavs or Tuohy aren't important players anymore, they have still provided value in a lot of Geelong's wins, particularly against less experienced/mentally weak sides. Take out the experienced players and you almost certainly lose most of your close games this year (of which there have been quite a few)


Just because you have young players does not mean you have quality young players.
For two years now Geelong fans have been carrying on about Oliver Henry being some kind of amazing find and guaranteed superstar. Seems like the tune has changed quite a bit. I guess it's not so easy for a soft medium-sized forward to thrive when Hawkins isn't playing.

This is Hawthorn 2018 all over again. Overhyping your young players, and not understanding just how far off your youth is from the competition for the next 5 years. Now is literally the worst time for Geelong to trade in a player like Bailey Smith, but Scotty can't help himself with the topups.

Jesus Christ really? Just tell us you don’t watch Geelong games and be done with it.

Otherwise you wouldn’t blab for paragraphs….you'd already know Stengle a AA level Small Forward or Holmes who is ranked TOP 10 IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE by Champion Data are most likely going to win best and fairest meaning BEST AND FAIREST OVER THE COURSE OF A SEASON. How old are they again? Gryan was close to our best in 2023 and is constantly in top group of players, one of the best goal assist players in the League. How old is he again?

Ollie Dempsey basically shoe in for Rising Star means he’s “overhyped” and how old is he?

Lawson Humphries Rising Star nom and consistently good. One of the most efficient kicks in the League tracking at 86% disposal efficiency but nah he’s “Overhyped”…how old is he again?

I could go on but I’d just be “overhyping” these kids who are what do you know? Kids

It’s ALMOST like we are rebuilding.

 

[PhatBoy]

Those "07-11 flag players" kept your club going all the way up to 2016. Then you got a virtual free agent in Dangerfield, and another in Jeremy Cameron who was basically traded in for Tim Kelly. Couple that with the last easy-mode father-son in Tom Hawkins along with a few more topups, and your club was able to sustain itself for a decent bit longer than other clubs.

Won't be nearly as easy as you seem to think it is from this point onwards. Bailey Smith is no Dangerfield, and there are no Jeremy Camerons available for a long time. No free high-end father/sons on the horizon, which you wouldn't be able to get for a mere third rounder again anyway.

Sure, tonight less than half the best 22 were 30+, but that just highlighted how far off your club's youth is. Geelong's youth is in the same tier as Collingwood and Richmond, which is to be expected following so many top-ups.

Bartel, Enright, Selwood, and Mackie were the only 07 flag players still there in 2016, and one of those was still only just turning 27 at that point

The onus is not on us to prove anything because we are the ones who’ve continually proven this prediction wrong. At every stage. It first popped up literally in 2010

So forgive us for ignoring how much people are pleading with us to take it onboard.

 

[PhatBoy]

The people who comment on these threads can generally be divided into two groups: those who want it to happen and those who can give a decent appraisal of what could happen. Simple as that.

 

[Jake98]

Jesus Christ really? Just tell us you don’t watch Geelong games and be done with it.

Otherwise you wouldn’t blab for paragraphs….you'd already know Stengle a AA level Small Forward or Holmes who is ranked TOP 10 IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE by Champion Data are most likely going to win best and fairest meaning BEST AND FAIREST OVER THE COURSE OF A SEASON. How old are they again? Gryan was close to our best in 2023 and is constantly in top group of players, one of the best goal assist players in the League. How old is he again?

Ollie Dempsey basically shoe in for Rising Star means he’s “overhyped” and how old is he?

Lawson Humphries Rising Star nom and consistently good. One of the most efficient kicks in the League tracking at 86% disposal efficiency but nah he’s “Overhyped”…how old is he again?

I could go on but I’d just be “overhyping” these kids who are what do you know? Kids

It’s ALMOST like we are rebuilding.

Stengle turns 26 this year. Hardly qualifies as "youth". Miers is also turning 26 early next year. I guess it's only natural you draw a long bow when you're attempting to sell the idea that your club has good youth.
I'll give you Holmes. Again, your club's youth is comparable to Collingwood, and he is basically Geelong's version of Nick Daicos, but worse.

You're trying to pump up Oliver Dempsey on the pretext of likely winning the Rising Star? After the two frontrunners got suspended and rendered ineligible? Really? There wouldn't be a single club that would be caught dead taking Dempsey over Reid or Darcy. Literally galaxies apart in quality.

Dempsey, Humphries, Clarke, Conway, Neale, etc etc... yeah there is some promise there, but you're not living in reality if you think this group can drive your club to a Premiership over the next 5-7 years. Geelong's under-23 youth isn't even top 10 in the AFL. Compare these guys to the under-23s of most other clubs and it's like day & night.

 

[PhatBoy]

Stengle turns 26 this year. Hardly qualifies as "youth". Miers is also turning 26 early next year. I guess it's only natural you draw a long bow when you're attempting to sell the idea that your club has good youth.
I'll give you Holmes. Again, your club's youth is comparable to Collingwood, and he is more or less your version of Nick Daicos, but worse.

You're trying to pump up Oliver Dempsey on the pretext of likely winning the Rising Star? After the two frontrunners got suspended and rendered ineligible? Really? There wouldn't be a single club that would take Dempsey over Reid or Darcy.

Dempsey, Humphries, Clarke, Conway, Neale, etc etc... yeah there is some promise there, but you're not living in reality if you think this group can drive your club to a Premiership over the next 5-7 years. Geelong's under-23 youth isn't even top 10 in the AFL. Compare these guys to the under-23s of most other clubs and it's like day & night.

Oh well if someone’s 26 they may as well retire. No point keeping them.

 

[STPer18]

Top 4 and turning a rookie pick into the Rising Star winner while rebuilding does sound a little too powerful.

 

[Jake98]

Oh well if someone’s 26 they may as well retire. No point keeping them.

If you're going to try and sell opposition supporters the silly notion that Geelong have quality youth, best you stick to players who are actually young.

Again, Geelong's youth is in the same tier as Collingwood and Richmond.

 

[PhatBoy]

If you're going to try and sell opposition supporters the silly notion that Geelong have quality youth, best you stick to players who are actually young.

Again, Geelong's youth is in the same tier as Collingwood and Richmond.

We don’t have to sell anything. That’s the thing mate.

The burden of proof is on the people trying to show that a 20 year trend is going to come to an end.

And your youth hasn’t shown anything so who knows how it compares to ours.

 

[STPer18]

Geelong's youth is in the same tier as Richmond.

Whoops, you did it again Jakey. There's 17 other teams and then there's your mob stone last.

 

[Jake98]

We don’t have to sell anything. That’s the thing mate.

The burden of proof is on the people trying to show that a 20 year trend is going to come to an end.

I don't expect a person like you to ever grasp it.

I'll enjoy it when reality hits you, the same way it hit Hawthorn supporters circa 2019-2020. They were also convinced they're never dropping down the ladder, and that they could seamlessly rebuild while challenging every year. Turned out their youth at the same just wasn't anywhere near as good as they thought it was. Deja vu with Geelong supporters today.

 

[PhatBoy]

I don't expect a person like you to ever grasp it.

I'll enjoy it when reality hits you, the same way it hit Hawthorn supporters circa 2019-2020. They were also convinced they're never dropping down the ladder, and that they could seamlessly rebuild while challenging every year. Turned out their youth at the same just wasn't anywhere near as good as they thought it was. Deja vu with Geelong supporters today.

The fact that you will actually take pleasure from it is hilarious in itself. It’s footy, who the hell cares what happens to another team aside from your own

It’s blokes kicking a ball and I’m some dude on the internet you’ve never met ffs

‘A person like you’ btw. That’s interesting.

A person on account #1, is that what you mean?

 

[Kobe Gryant]

If you're going to try and sell opposition supporters the silly notion that Geelong have quality youth, best you stick to players who are actually young.

Again, Geelong's youth is in the same tier as Collingwood and Richmond.

You do realise that if this was a popular view, you wouldn't have to keep fighting as a one man army weekly in here.

People don't feel the need to keep justifying something that according to you; should be obvious. You just let it play out.

It's pretty funny reading it though. You can try to speak it into existence all you want, it doesn't mean it's going to happen.

Just reads like deranged ramblings week on week. We're laughing at you dude, not with you.

 

[Jake98]

Crazy how Geelong's dip in form and recovery correlated directly with Dangerfield getting injured then returning from injury.

Beat Carlton in round 7 where Dangerfield was clear best on ground before getting injured. Then proceed to lose 6 of the next 7 games. Then old man Dangerfield comes back and Geelong start winning again, albeit with some horror losses to the Dogs and Saints.

But yeah, clearly Geelong aren't dependent on old players at all. Clearly it's young superstars like Oliver Henry doing all the heavy lifting.

 

[Jake98]

The fact that you will actually take pleasure from it is hilarious in itself. It’s footy, who the hell cares what happens to another team aside from your own

It’s blokes kicking a ball and I’m some dude on the internet you’ve never met ffs

‘A person like you’ btw. That’s interesting.

A person on account #1, is that what you mean?

It's less about the team, more about you specifically. You seem to spend an awfully large amount of your time defending your club on this forum. There is no shortage of lengthy posts on your end endlessly justifying Geelong's list management. You are clearly emotionally invested in this topic, so yes it should prove humorous when things inevitably go awry.

 

[PhatBoy]

It's less about the team, more about you specifically. You seem to spend an awfully large amount of your time defending your club on this forum. There is no shortage of lengthy posts on your end endlessly justifying Geelong's list management. You are clearly emotionally invested in this topic, so yes it should prove humorous when things inevitably go awry.

Nearly as much as you spend critiquing it.

Geelong fan talks about Geelong. Soooky. Seems more normal that a person would talk about their own club than someone else’s. You seem borderline obsessed by it.

 

[Jake98]

You do realise that if this was a popular view, you wouldn't have to keep fighting as a one man army weekly in here.

People don't feel the need to keep justifying something that according to you; should be obvious. You just let it play out.

It's pretty funny reading it though. You can try to speak it into existence all you want, it doesn't mean it's going to happen.

Just reads like deranged ramblings week on week. We're laughing at you dude, not with you.

No, only Geelong fans like yourself are getting up and arms about my posts. I've actually gotten a few likes from non-Geelong fans.

Most neutrals probably don't have the patience to enter any kind of discussion about your club's list management because Geelong fans such as yourself have a tendency to get personal.

My posts are valid, as much as they might anger you.

 

[STPer18]

We've reached the point where Geelong finishing top 4 in a rebuilding year is supposed to be a disappointment. That's a real show of power.

 

[Delisted]

The people who comment on these threads can generally be divided into two groups: those who want it to happen and those who can give a decent appraisal of what could happen. Simple as that.

So non geelong posters and geelong posters?

 

[Jake98]

We've reached the point where Geelong finishing top 4 in a rebuilding year is supposed to be a disappointment. That's a real show of power.

Almost 1/1 parity with Hawthorn finishing top 4 in a "rebuilding year".

 

[fnerd]

Yeah I reckon more than any other team Geelong has benefited most from this seasons evenness.
Get by via system and experience most weeks with still the odd cameo from one of the old boys .
Make no mistake tho this club is lacking in any genuine talent and A graders outside a few of the old firm and max Holmes

And whilst there’s a few youngsters that show promise , it’s certainly not anything special by league standards.

Will always still be in around the middle of the table sometimes pushing for finals , mostly not.

geelongs next decade we will be highlighted by true mediocrity

Doubt the fans will care too much tho .
They’ve had a good run

 

[Kobe Gryant]

No, only Geelong fans like yourself are getting up and arms about my posts. I've actually gotten a few likes from non-Geelong fans.

Most neutrals probably don't have the patience to enter any kind of discussion about your club's list management because Geelong fans such as yourself have a tendency to get personal.

My posts are valid, as much as they might anger you.

I just got here lmao.

You've been here 3 weeks and you're already in the top 5 contributors in a thread that's two years old .

I mean come on...some jokes just write themselves.

 

[STPer18]

Almost 1/1 parity with Hawthorn finishing top 4 in a "rebuilding year".

Remind us of the quality young players in the back-to-back straight-setting disappointing Hawks who were getting a game in the business end of the season.