List Mgmt. Hawk's List Management 2023

[Liverbird]

Let’s not get carried away. Fantastic win but let’s make our List premiership capable. I am a little more hard nosed.

Lucky for us S Mitchell does not get swung by the emotions and feel good factor after 1 good win and performance.

We are still in the stage of building via the draft and will continue down this path this year.

Morrison for example had a fantastic game against the Woods although he will remain a squad player due to his limitations.

The quality on the list still needs to improve to become a consistent football side, we sit 3rd last for legitimate reasons - and talent available on the list still needs to be addressed.

Keep hitting the draft - the course has been set and needs to be followed. Look at the Tigers if you believe topping up with GWS prima donnas will solve anything, it won't, it just puts your club 2 years behind in rebuilding.

 

[SSSSSS]

If Kosi can crunch the opposition mids, get a dozen or so hit outs and be a pest in the ruck, and kick a goal every second game or so he would become a handy 2nd ruckman.

 

[Hawks91b]

We're 3rd last all. Lets not get carried way that we have a lot of work to do with this list and additions to consistently compete. Have to make some hard calls. Good form by the peripheral guys means we have some trade currency.

 

[Hawthorn2023]

If Kosi can crunch the opposition mids, get a dozen or so hit outs and be a pest in the ruck, and kick a goal every second game or so he would become a handy 2nd ruckman.

Easily the best overall game I have seen from Kosi. Playing as a 3rd tall in fwd line, and pinch hitting in the ruck. Might have saved his career.

22 years old, 196cms & 100kgs, they don't grow on trees.

I still think he should be in the backline.

 

[CaptainWorpedo]

Easily the best overall game I have seen from Kosi. Playing as a 3rd tall in fwd line, and pinch hitting in the ruck. Might have saved his career.

22 years old, 196cms & 100kgs, they don't grow on trees.

I still think he should be in the backline.

I still think at least one of Kosi or Jeka is gone. Looking like Jeka at the moment.

 

[number23]

I still think at least on of Kosi or Jeka is gone. Looking like Jeka at the moment.

One has better skills than the other but the other makes an effort..

 

[Hawthorn2023]

One has better skills than the other but the other makes an effort..

Couldn't agree more.

I'm keeping both. Jeka skills by foot is very good. Kosi just doesn't have the running patterns of a forward. He's a bull though, and requires a tall defender on him.

 

[perrdan86]

One has better skills than the other but the other makes an effort..

Has Jeka not being putting in effort for box Hill when he's played?

 

[Hawthorn2023]

Has Jeka not being putting in effort for box Hill when he's played?

Jeka has had a shocking run of injuries this year. Just when he is finding form, he goes down with a hammy.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I still think at least on of Kosi or Jeka is gone. Looking like Jeka at the moment.

Would be surprised if either are with us in 2024.

 

[Hawthorn2023]

Would be surprised if either are with us in 2024.

Trade or delisted?

If trade, what kind of return would you anticipate?

 

[Walshawk]

Trade or delisted?

If trade, what kind of return would you anticipate?

There is no return for either. Keep Kosi. He has a crack.

 

[Yardie]

Would be surprised if either are with us in 2024.

If Haynes deal comes through then I see Jeka gone. Kosi for mine stays as the second ruck/forward while Ramsden finds his feet.

 

[CD Xbow]

Would be surprised if either are with us in 2024.

I'm surprised that you say that wrt Kosi. Two rucks hasn't worked, Kosi has done pretty well in the Fwd/Ruck roll and we haven't got a lot of options. I would have thought there were a couple of others more deserving of delisting before Kosi. I thought against Collingwood the structures looked right and more importantly held.

 

[peetoo]

If we think we are a finals chance next year, need to temper the delistings with the thought of more injuries than now.

 

[hawkinoz]

Trade or delisted?

If trade, what kind of return would you anticipate?

I would assume for some one like Saints Kosi is worth something, their pick 50+ F4 is fair value in my eyes. If he shows more in the next few games, the value can be bumped up a bit with clubs looking at him as a utility, given his size & age.

this is how the picks stand as of now

 

[RUSHORE]

Jeka has had a shocking run of injuries this year. Just when he is finding form, he goes down with a hammy.

too much time at dads GYM......THATS WHY HE OVERCOOKS

 

[theiaofseed]

If Haynes deal comes through then I see Jeka gone. Kosi for mine stays as the second ruck/forward while Ramsden finds his feet.

Haynes if traded wont play any role in our list decisions

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Trade or delisted?

If trade, what kind of return would you anticipate?

Delist.

 

[Blackhawk42]

Any team that needs depth in their key forward stocks would have some interest in Kosi, even as a delisted free agent.

Regardless, I'm still anticipating that unless we acquire Riccardi, draft a Caddy type and unexpectedly retain Jeka, then Kosi will be a Hawk next year. Potentially as a re-rookie situation.

Currently I envision the outs to be Jeka, Morris, Lynch, O'Hara, Brockman and potentially Greene.

 

[peetoo]

Delisting ohara before a fair shake is a terrible look for the Irish experiment

 

[perrdan86]

Any team that needs depth in their key forward stocks would have some interest in Kosi, even as a delisted free agent.

Regardless, I'm still anticipating that unless we acquire Riccardi, draft a Caddy type and unexpectedly retain Jeka, then Kosi will be a Hawk next year. Potentially as a re-rookie situation.

Currently I envision the outs to be Jeka, Morris, Lynch, O'Hara, Brockman and potentially Greene.

Do we have that many new players coming in? With our first pick, then using later picks to match any bid for McCabe? Probably would be a smaller list turnover this year?

 

[FB19]

Any team that needs depth in their key forward stocks would have some interest in Kosi, even as a delisted free agent.

Regardless, I'm still anticipating that unless we acquire Riccardi, draft a Caddy type and unexpectedly retain Jeka, then Kosi will be a Hawk next year. Potentially as a re-rookie situation.

Currently I envision the outs to be Jeka, Morris, Lynch, O'Hara, Brockman and potentially Greene.

Lynch gone Morris and Bramble delisted and Brockman leaving seem like the certainties. I expect Ryan gets a contract which takes lynch spot. Pick 3 and McCabe use up the delistings leaving 1 spot for another draft pick so we take minimum 3. After that depends on if we get anymore picks or players coming in as to who goes. If Riccardi comes in I expect that’s the end for Kosi or Greene for example.
I am on the Jeka 1 more year train don’t see the need to cut him yet. 198cm 96kgs don’t grow on trees with his skills. Ohara isn’t going anywhere totally unfair to ask a player to move their life to the other side of the world and learn a new game in 2 years. After all that total spud farmer Conor Glass got 4 years how could we not give him the same. Who would come from overseas to hawthorn if we did that?

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Delisting ohara before a fair shake is a terrible look for the Irish experiment

Can't see it happening.

 

[Blackhawk42]

Lynch gone Morris and Bramble delisted and Brockman leaving seem like the certainties. I expect Ryan gets a contract which takes lynch spot. Pick 3 and McCabe use up the delistings leaving 1 spot for another draft pick so we take minimum 3. After that depends on if we get anymore picks or players coming in as to who goes. If Riccardi comes in I expect that’s the end for Kosi or Greene for example.
I am on the Jeka 1 more year train don’t see the need to cut him yet. 198cm 96kgs don’t grow on trees with his skills. Ohara isn’t going anywhere totally unfair to ask a player to move their life to the other side of the world and learn a new game in 2 years. After all that total spud farmer Conor Glass got 4 years how could we not give him the same. Who would come from overseas to hawthorn if we did that?

I actually forgot about Bramble. Can replace O'Hara with him in that case.