HAWKS Still hold Best PREMIERSHIP Strike Rate.... How long can they keep top spot?

[speedpeck23]

This is a maths question more than anything...

When Hawthorn triumphed again for their 3rd successive flag of the threepeat in 2015 they went ahead of Carlton and Essendon on the Premiership Strike Rate. 13 flags from 91 seasons gave them an exact average of a Flag every 7 years of being in the AFL/VFL competition. The Blues + Bombers at that point were 16 Flags from 119 seasons were just over a flag every 7.4 seasons.

Hawthorns effort in achieving this was particularly remarkable considering it took 36 seasons to win the first.

Of course other clubs have held this position since 1897.....Essendon...the Same Olds were outright leaders with 1 Flag from 1 season. This was quickly over taken by the Boys from old Fitzroy who took the next 2 Flags , Essendon then Collingwood equaled that . Carlton took over briefly before Fitzroy cemented the best premiership strike rate in 1916 when they beat the Blues in the 1916 Grand Final. The Maroons went further ahead winning the flag in 1922 over Collingwood.

It wasn't until 1929 when the famous Magpie Machine won their 3rd Flag of the record 4 in a row to become the most successful club in the competition with 8 Flags in 33 seasons with an average of a Premiership almost every 4 years.

The Pies took a strangle hold on this until that fateful day in 1981 when the Blues drew level with their 13th Flag by beating Collingwood in the Grand Final. In the 1982 Grand Final they
Blues again powered home (with another famous Premiership 3rd Quarter) against the Tigers to win back to back and were then sitting on a Number 1 with an aggregate of 14 Flags plus a Premiership strike rate of a flag just over every 6 seasons.

1984 and 1985 saw the return of the Bombers ... double whammy against the Hawks and they joined the Blues as the best team in town both on Premiership aggregate and strike rate.

1987 became a watershed year....the VFL grew to 14 clubs... The Blues revenged their defeat in the 1986 Fosters Grand Final and crunched the Hawks on a blisteringly hot Grand Final day (the only match Michael Tuck ever appeared in a sleeveless jumper) and went further ahead 15 Flags in 91 seasons.

But dark clouds were coming from the West. Cashed up and ready to Rock the Eagles clawed the Cats in 92 and 94. 2 Flags in 8 seasons and the Eagles were the pacesetters.

All bets were off with the Eagles so successful so quickly since joining the AFL it seemed they would hold the strike rate for years. But no the the Adelaide Crows repeated the dose 1997 1998 , 2 Flags in 8 seasons and edged ahead of the Eagles.

Then of course depending how you view the Brisbane Lions... 2001,2,3 Flags to Brisbane catapulted them to 3 premierships in 17 seasons to go to the top of the AFL Premiership Strike Rate. West Coast then joined them after an inspired victory over Sydney in 2006.

3 Flags in 20 seasons for both West Coast and Brisbane was going to be hard to surpass ?? But of course by this stage Carlton and Essendon with an extra flag each in 1995 and 2000 respectively had 16 flags from 110 seasons for an average of a Premiership every 6.875 years , only a shade away from 3 flags in 20 seasons at a rate of a Premiership every 6.666666 etc years. The law of averages the following year put West Coast and Brisbane out of business, and the Bombers and Blues held the Best Premiership Strike Rate for several years until ....

Grand Final Day 2015 the Hawks through sheer weight of more Premierships claimed the Best Premiership Strike Rate of all AFL Clubs.

How long can they hold this spot?

Hawthorn's current Premiership Strike Rate is just over a Premiership every 7.538 seasons.

Which AFL Club is most likely to hold the Number One Premiership Strike Rate next ?

 

[My Tilly]

......... every 7.5 years ay, Hawks are due to win it this year then.

 

[M Malice]

Who does the OP support?

 

[Meteoric Rise]

This is a maths question more than anything...

When Hawthorn triumphed again for their 3rd successive flag of the threepeat in 2015 they went ahead of Carlton and Essendon on the Premiership Strike Rate. 13 flags from 91 seasons gave them an exact average of a Flag every 7 years of being in the AFL/VFL competition. The Blues + Bombers at that point were 16 Flags from 119 seasons were just over a flag every 7.4 seasons.

Hawthorns effort in achieving this was particularly remarkable considering it took 36 seasons to win the first.

Of course other clubs have held this position since 1897.....Essendon...the Same Olds were outright leaders with 1 Flag from 1 season. This was quickly over taken by the Boys from old Fitzroy who took the next 2 Flags , Essendon then Collingwood equaled that . Carlton took over briefly before Fitzroy cemented the best premiership strike rate in 1916 when they beat the Blues in the 1916 Grand Final. The Maroons went further ahead winning the flag in 1922 over Collingwood.

It wasn't until 1929 when the famous Magpie Machine won their 3rd Flag of the record 4 in a row to become the most successful club in the competition with 8 Flags in 33 seasons with an average of a Premiership almost every 4 years.

The Pies took a strangle hold on this until that fateful day in 1981 when the Blues drew level with their 13th Flag by beating Collingwood in the Grand Final. In the 1982 Grand Final they
Blues again powered home (with another famous Premiership 3rd Quarter) against the Tigers to win back to back and were then sitting on a Number 1 with an aggregate of 14 Flags plus a Premiership strike rate of a flag just over every 6 seasons.

1984 and 1985 saw the return of the Bombers ... double whammy against the Hawks and they joined the Blues as the best team in town both on Premiership aggregate and strike rate.

1987 became a watershed year....the VFL grew to 14 clubs... The Blues revenged their defeat in the 1986 Fosters Grand Final and crunched the Hawks on a blisteringly hot Grand Final day (the only match Michael Tuck ever appeared in a sleeveless jumper) and went further ahead 15 Flags in 91 seasons.

But dark clouds were coming from the West. Cashed up and ready to Rock the Eagles clawed the Cats in 92 and 94. 2 Flags in 8 seasons and the Eagles were the pacesetters.

All bets were off with the Eagles so successful so quickly since joining the AFL it seemed they would hold the strike rate for years. But no the the Adelaide Crows repeated the dose 1997 1998 , 2 Flags in 8 seasons and edged ahead of the Eagles.

Then of course depending how you view the Brisbane Lions... 2001,2,3 Flags to Brisbane catapulted them to 3 premierships in 17 seasons to go to the top of the AFL Premiership Strike Rate. West Coast then joined them after an inspired victory over Sydney in 2006.

3 Flags in 20 seasons for both West Coast and Brisbane was going to be hard to surpass ?? But of course by this stage Carlton and Essendon with an extra flag each in 1995 and 2000 respectively had 16 flags from 110 seasons for an average of a Premiership every 6.875 years , only a shade away from 3 flags in 20 seasons at a rate of a Premiership every 6.666666 etc years. The law of averages the following year put West Coast and Brisbane out of business, and the Bombers and Blues held the Best Premiership Strike Rate for several years until ....

Grand Final Day 2015 the Hawks through sheer weight of more Premierships claimed the Best Premiership Strike Rate of all AFL Clubs.

How long can they hold this spot?

Hawthorn's current Premiership Strike Rate is just over a Premiership every 7.538 seasons.

Which AFL Club is most likely to hold the Number One Premiership Strike Rate next ?

Maybe give us a ladder of the current standings to generate a bit of discussion...

 

[Shane Heard]

This is a maths question more than anything...

When Hawthorn triumphed again for their 3rd successive flag of the threepeat in 2015 they went ahead of Carlton and Essendon on the Premiership Strike Rate. 13 flags from 91 seasons gave them an exact average of a Flag every 7 years of being in the AFL/VFL competition. The Blues + Bombers at that point were 16 Flags from 119 seasons were just over a flag every 7.4 seasons.

Hawthorns effort in achieving this was particularly remarkable considering it took 36 seasons to win the first.

Of course other clubs have held this position since 1897.....Essendon...the Same Olds were outright leaders with 1 Flag from 1 season. This was quickly over taken by the Boys from old Fitzroy who took the next 2 Flags , Essendon then Collingwood equaled that . Carlton took over briefly before Fitzroy cemented the best premiership strike rate in 1916 when they beat the Blues in the 1916 Grand Final. The Maroons went further ahead winning the flag in 1922 over Collingwood.

It wasn't until 1929 when the famous Magpie Machine won their 3rd Flag of the record 4 in a row to become the most successful club in the competition with 8 Flags in 33 seasons with an average of a Premiership almost every 4 years.

The Pies took a strangle hold on this until that fateful day in 1981 when the Blues drew level with their 13th Flag by beating Collingwood in the Grand Final. In the 1982 Grand Final they
Blues again powered home (with another famous Premiership 3rd Quarter) against the Tigers to win back to back and were then sitting on a Number 1 with an aggregate of 14 Flags plus a Premiership strike rate of a flag just over every 6 seasons.

1984 and 1985 saw the return of the Bombers ... double whammy against the Hawks and they joined the Blues as the best team in town both on Premiership aggregate and strike rate.

1987 became a watershed year....the VFL grew to 14 clubs... The Blues revenged their defeat in the 1986 Fosters Grand Final and crunched the Hawks on a blisteringly hot Grand Final day (the only match Michael Tuck ever appeared in a sleeveless jumper) and went further ahead 15 Flags in 91 seasons.

But dark clouds were coming from the West. Cashed up and ready to Rock the Eagles clawed the Cats in 92 and 94. 2 Flags in 8 seasons and the Eagles were the pacesetters.

All bets were off with the Eagles so successful so quickly since joining the AFL it seemed they would hold the strike rate for years. But no the the Adelaide Crows repeated the dose 1997 1998 , 2 Flags in 8 seasons and edged ahead of the Eagles.

Then of course depending how you view the Brisbane Lions... 2001,2,3 Flags to Brisbane catapulted them to 3 premierships in 17 seasons to go to the top of the AFL Premiership Strike Rate. West Coast then joined them after an inspired victory over Sydney in 2006.

3 Flags in 20 seasons for both West Coast and Brisbane was going to be hard to surpass ?? But of course by this stage Carlton and Essendon with an extra flag each in 1995 and 2000 respectively had 16 flags from 110 seasons for an average of a Premiership every 6.875 years , only a shade away from 3 flags in 20 seasons at a rate of a Premiership every 6.666666 etc years. The law of averages the following year put West Coast and Brisbane out of business, and the Bombers and Blues held the Best Premiership Strike Rate for several years until ....

Grand Final Day 2015 the Hawks through sheer weight of more Premierships claimed the Best Premiership Strike Rate of all AFL Clubs.

How long can they hold this spot?

Hawthorn's current Premiership Strike Rate is just over a Premiership every 7.538 seasons.

Which AFL Club is most likely to hold the Number One Premiership Strike Rate next ?

Sorry to burst your little brown and gold bubble but a strike rate stat such as the one you’re obviously very pleased about is pretty much meaningless and nothing to get excited about in any way.

You should think more about Collingwood with their long history and their incredibly impressive history of GF appearances that dwarf anything the HFC have achieved.

They have lost a lot of them..but to be on top and actually contest the big one so many times is way more interesting than an overall average stat based on years in the League.

Collingwood has played in a record 44 VFL/AFL Grand Finals (including rematches), winning 15, drawing two and losing 27

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Sorry to burst your little brown and gold bubble but a strike rate stat such as the one you’re obviously very pleased about is pretty much meaningless and nothing to get excited about in any way.

You should think more about Collingwood with their long history and their incredibly impressive history of GF appearances that dwarf anything the HFC have achieved.

They have lost a lot of them..but to be on top and actually contest the big one so many times is way more interesting than an overall average stat.

Collingwood has played in a record 44 VFL/AFL Grand Finals (including rematches), winning 15, drawing two and losing 27

Love it!!

But also love the OP as it will irk Carlton fans

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Hawks likely to be rising up the spoon strike rate ladder this year...

 

[Shane Heard]

Love it!!

But also love the OP as it will irk Carlton fans

I concur with the thought of annoying Carlton fans.

The fact is that HFC joined the league in 1925 (established 1902) and are the youngest Victorian based club in the League.

So their premiership flag count compared to years in the League is going to be vaguely interesting…but nothing to write home about.

They were absolutely atrocious for many many seasons before they won their first one. And that’s because of John Kennedy Snr whipping them into professionalism and getting results.

 

[footyfan1978]

This is a maths question more than anything...

When Hawthorn triumphed again for their 3rd successive flag of the threepeat in 2015 they went ahead of Carlton and Essendon on the Premiership Strike Rate. 13 flags from 91 seasons gave them an exact average of a Flag every 7 years of being in the AFL/VFL competition.

Mahematically they do not get any credit from me for not being good enough to be in the league until 1925.
They had being going since 1902 season as a club so add on all those football seasons they not even up to league standard and they are at a strike rate of 13 from 121 seasons of this league existing where they been a football club. 108 seasons where they not been the premier team. Still a very good strike rate but would not be in the top three or so. Eagles at 4 in 36 seasons would be fourth behind Carlton, Essendon and Collingwood I believe.

 

[Blackhawk42]

Mahematically they do not get any credit from me for not being good enough to be in the league until 1925.
They were had being going since 1902 season as a club so add on all those football seasons they not even up to league standard and they are at a strike rate of 13 from 121 seasons of this league existing where they been a football club. 108 seasons where they not been the premier team. Still a very good strike rate but would not be in the top three or so. Eagles at 4 in 36 seasons would be fourth behind Carlton, Essendon and Collingwood I believe.

West Coast weren't in the league until 1987, but you've included them in your own top 4.

Are you making up your own mathematical equations to suit a personal narrative and dismiss the original poster or am I missing something?

 

[lordbob]

Mahematically they do not get any credit from me for not being good enough to be in the league until 1925.
They were had being going since 1902 season as a club so add on all those football seasons they not even up to league standard and they are at a strike rate of 13 from 121 seasons of this league existing where they been a football club. 108 seasons where they not been the premier team. Still a very good strike rate but would not be in the top three or so. Eagles at 4 in 36 seasons would be fourth behind Carlton, Essendon and Collingwood I believe.

yes count the years that they couldnt compete for a vfl premiership due to not being in the vfl. makes total sense. Ignore the fact that they merged twice between 1902 and 1906 so only 1/4 of the club from 1902 is the same as 1906.

If you are refering to all competitions played since their founding then they played in the Metropolitan Junior Football Association before 1914, do you have a record of who won premierships in that competition? I couldnt find any list. So unless you can find a list you are then also including 12 years of no records and just assuming that they didnt win any premierships there cos it suits your bias.

Id also add "no being good enough" is accurately reflecting your understanding of history. There was no relegation system, it wasnt a league based on merit and performance.

Nice troll though, you got a response.

 

[footyfan1978]

West Coast weren't in the league until 1987, but you've included them in your own top 4.

Correct. They only existed since 1987. Its not like they were a club before that to count any seasons they failed to salute. They did not exist so no seasons to count before 1987.
They had 36 seasons of football as a club. 4 in 36 years is better than most.

 

[footyfan1978]

yes count the years that they couldnt compete for a vfl premiership due to not being in the vfl. makes total sense.

Correct. If they exist and not good enough to be in the league I am certainly counting those seasons against them. They certainly not getting a free pass from me for all those seasons well below league standard before invited to become in it.

 

[Simon_Nesbit]

(thanks Wiki)​

Premiership frequency[edit]​

Club	Years in competition	Seasons	Premierships	Runners-up	Strike rate (based on seasons in competition)	Average years per
Premiership	Grand final
Hawthorn​	1925–present​	97	13	6	13.40%	7.46	5.11
Essendon​	1897–1915, 1918–present​	123	16	14	13.01%	7.69	4.10
Carlton​	1897–present​	125	16	13	12.80%	7.81	4.31
Brisbane Lions​	1997–present​	25	3	1	12.00%	8.33	6.25
Collingwood​	1897–present​	125	15	27	12.00%	8.33	2.98
West Coast​	1987–present​	35	4	3	11.43%	8.75	5.00
Richmond​	1908–present​	114	13	12	11.40%	8.77	4.56
Melbourne​	1897–1915, 1919–present​	122	13	5	10.66%	9.38	6.78
Fitzroy​	1897–1996​	100	8	5	8.00%	12.50	7.69
Geelong​	1897–1915, 1917–1941, 1944–present​	122	10	10	7.38%	13.56	6.78
Adelaide​	1991–present​	31	2	1	6.45%	15.50	10.33
North Melbourne​	1925–present​	97	4	5	4.12%	24.25	10.78
South Melbourne / Sydney​	1897–1915, 1917–present​	124	5	12	4.03%	24.80	7.29
Port Adelaide​	1997–present​	25	1	1	4.00%	25.00	12.50
Footscray / Western Bulldogs​	1925–present​	97	2	2	2.06%	48.50	24.25
St Kilda​	1897–1915, 1918–present​	123	1	6	0.81%	123.00	17.57
Greater Western Sydney​	2012–present​	10	0	1	—	—	10.00
Fremantle​	1995–present​	27	0	1	—	—	27.00
University​	1908–1914​	7	0	0	—	—	—
Brisbane Bears​	1987–1996​	10	0	0	—	—	—
Gold Coast​	2011–present​	11	0	0	—	—	—

It's a great list if you're a Hawk, but the dominance isn't that much. If my math is correct (big if):

If any of Essendon, Carlton, Brisbane, West Coast win in 2023, they will go top.
If GWS or Gold Coast win in 2023 and 2024, they will go top.
If Collingwood, Richmond, Adelaide, or Port Adelaide threepeat in 2023, 2024 and 2025, they will go top.
If Melbourne win 4 in a row...
If Fremantle win 5 in a row...
If Geelong win 8 (well 9 including 2022) in a row...
If North win 11 in a row...
If Bulldogs win 13 in a row...
If Sydney win 14 in a row...
If St Kilda win 18 in a row...

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

(thanks Wiki)​

Premiership frequency[edit]​

Premiership	Grand final
Club	Years in competition	Seasons	Premierships	Runners-up	Strike rate (based on seasons in competition)	Average years per
Hawthorn​	1925–present​	97	13	6	13.40%	7.46	5.11
Essendon​	1897–1915, 1918–present​	123	16	14	13.01%	7.69	4.10
Carlton​	1897–present​	125	16	13	12.80%	7.81	4.31
Brisbane Lions​	1997–present​	25	3	1	12.00%	8.33	6.25
Collingwood​	1897–present​	125	15	27	12.00%	8.33	2.98
West Coast​	1987–present​	35	4	3	11.43%	8.75	5.00
Richmond​	1908–present​	114	13	12	11.40%	8.77	4.56
Melbourne​	1897–1915, 1919–present​	122	13	5	10.66%	9.38	6.78
Fitzroy​	1897–1996​	100	8	5	8.00%	12.50	7.69
Geelong​	1897–1915, 1917–1941, 1944–present​	122	10	10	7.38%	13.56	6.78
Adelaide​	1991–present​	31	2	1	6.45%	15.50	10.33
North Melbourne​	1925–present​	97	4	5	4.12%	24.25	10.78
South Melbourne / Sydney​	1897–1915, 1917–present​	124	5	12	4.03%	24.80	7.29
Port Adelaide​	1997–present​	25	1	1	4.00%	25.00	12.50
Footscray / Western Bulldogs​	1925–present​	97	2	2	2.06%	48.50	24.25
St Kilda​	1897–1915, 1918–present​	123	1	6	0.81%	123.00	17.57
Greater Western Sydney​	2012–present​	10	0	1	—	—	10.00
Fremantle​	1995–present​	27	0	1	—	—	27.00
University​	1908–1914​	7	0	0	—	—	—
Brisbane Bears​	1987–1996​	10	0	0	—	—	—
Gold Coast​	2011–present​	11	0	0	—	—	—

It's a great list if you're a Hawk, but the dominance isn't that much. If my math is correct (big if):

If any of Essendon, Carlton, Brisbane, West Coast win in 2023, they will go top.
If GWS or Gold Coast win in 2023 and 2024, they will go top.
If Collingwood, Richmond, Adelaide, or Port Adelaide threepeat in 2023, 2024 and 2025, they will go top.
If Melbourne win 4 in a row...
If Fremantle win 5 in a row...
If Geelong win 8 (well 9 including 2022) in a row...
If North win 11 in a row...
If Bulldogs win 13 in a row...
If Sydney win 14 in a row...
If St Kilda win 18 in a row...

Then there is the list in the true AFL era...

 

[Meteoric Rise]

(thanks Wiki)​

Premiership frequency[edit]​

Club	Years in competition	Seasons	Premierships	Runners-up	Strike rate (based on seasons in competition)	Average years per
Premiership	Grand final
Hawthorn​	1925–present​	97	13	6	13.40%	7.46	5.11
Essendon​	1897–1915, 1918–present​	123	16	14	13.01%	7.69	4.10
Carlton​	1897–present​	125	16	13	12.80%	7.81	4.31
Brisbane Lions​	1997–present​	25	3	1	12.00%	8.33	6.25
Collingwood​	1897–present​	125	15	27	12.00%	8.33	2.98
West Coast​	1987–present​	35	4	3	11.43%	8.75	5.00
Richmond​	1908–present​	114	13	12	11.40%	8.77	4.56
Melbourne​	1897–1915, 1919–present​	122	13	5	10.66%	9.38	6.78
Fitzroy​	1897–1996​	100	8	5	8.00%	12.50	7.69
Geelong​	1897–1915, 1917–1941, 1944–present​	122	10	10	7.38%	13.56	6.78
Adelaide​	1991–present​	31	2	1	6.45%	15.50	10.33
North Melbourne​	1925–present​	97	4	5	4.12%	24.25	10.78
South Melbourne / Sydney​	1897–1915, 1917–present​	124	5	12	4.03%	24.80	7.29
Port Adelaide​	1997–present​	25	1	1	4.00%	25.00	12.50
Footscray / Western Bulldogs​	1925–present​	97	2	2	2.06%	48.50	24.25
St Kilda​	1897–1915, 1918–present​	123	1	6	0.81%	123.00	17.57
Greater Western Sydney​	2012–present​	10	0	1	—	—	10.00
Fremantle​	1995–present​	27	0	1	—	—	27.00
University​	1908–1914​	7	0	0	—	—	—
Brisbane Bears​	1987–1996​	10	0	0	—	—	—
Gold Coast​	2011–present​	11	0	0	—	—	—

It's a great list if you're a Hawk, but the dominance isn't that much. If my math is correct (big if):

If any of Essendon, Carlton, Brisbane, West Coast win in 2023, they will go top.
If GWS or Gold Coast win in 2023 and 2024, they will go top.
If Collingwood, Richmond, Adelaide, or Port Adelaide threepeat in 2023, 2024 and 2025, they will go top.
If Melbourne win 4 in a row...
If Fremantle win 5 in a row...
If Geelong win 8 (well 9 including 2022) in a row...
If North win 11 in a row...
If Bulldogs win 13 in a row...
If Sydney win 14 in a row...
If St Kilda win 18 in a row...

One further adjustment may give this even greater credibility.

If we recognise that winning a flag in a 10 team comp is tougher than doing so in an 8 team comp and so on all the way up to it getting much tougher in an 18 team comp.

We could add a column for average amount of teams beaten to win Premierships. So Saints won one flag beating 11 teams, average 11. Bulldogs won 2 flags beating 11 then 17 teams - an average of 14 and so on. Multiply this figure by the strike rate. This would obviously reduce the impact of flags won in the 4, 6, 8, 9, 10, 11 and 12 team years and increase the impact of flags won in 14, 15, 16, 17 and 18 team eras.

So let me add up a random team, mmmm, Richmond. Won 13 flags v 8 8 11 11 10 11 11 11 11 11 17 17 17 opponents. 11.84 is the average amount of opponents beaten. Multiply this by the strike rate of flags won in 11.4% of the seasons Richmond have competed in we get 134.98.

And the table now looks like this:

Richmond 134.98
Hawthorn 13.4
Essendon 13.01
Carlton 12.8
Brisbane 12.0
Collingwood 12.0
Eagles 11.43
Melbourne 10.66
Fitzroy 8.0
Geelong 7.38
Adelaide 6.45
North 4.12
Swans 4.03
Port 4.0
Bulldogs 2.06
Saints 0.81

Nobody else on the board yet. I wonder if any other teams would go ahead of the incredible Tigers based on strike rate x amount of teams beaten?

 

[Shueygod]

One further adjustment may give this even greater credibility.

If we recognise that winning a flag in a 10 team comp is tougher than doing so in an 8 team comp and so on all the way up to it getting much tougher in an 18 team comp.

We could add a column for average amount of teams beaten to win Premierships. So Saints won one flag beating 11 teams, average 11. Bulldogs won 2 flags beating 11 then 17 teams - an average of 14 and so on. Multiply this figure by the strike rate. This would obviously reduce the impact of flags won in the 4, 6, 8, 9, 10, 11 and 12 team years and increase the impact of flags won in 14, 15, 16, 17 and 18 team eras.

So let me add up a random team, mmmm, Richmond. Won 13 flags v 8 8 11 11 10 11 11 11 11 11 17 17 17 opponents. 11.84 is the average amount of opponents beaten. Multiply this by the strike rate of flags won in 11.4% of the seasons Richmond have competed in we get 134.98.

And the table now looks like this:

Richmond 134.98
Hawthorn 13.4
Essendon 13.01
Carlton 12.8
Brisbane 12.0
Collingwood 12.0
Eagles 11.43
Melbourne 10.66
Fitzroy 8.0
Geelong 7.38
Adelaide 6.45
North 4.12
Swans 4.03
Port 4.0
Bulldogs 2.06
Saints 0.81

Nobody else on the board yet. I wonder if any other teams would go ahead of the incredible Tigers based on strike rate x amount of teams beaten?

West coast would obviously be far ahead of Richmond, as would Brisbane.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

West coast would obviously be far ahead of Richmond, as would Brisbane.

Maybe do the calculation for your club and update the list Shuey so we can see how advantageous NonVicbias has actually been.

 

[Shueygod]

Maybe do the calculation for your club and update the list Shuey so we can see how advantageous NonVicbias has actually been.

182.88

 

[footyfan1978]

If we recognise that winning a flag in a 10 team comp is tougher than doing so in an 8 team comp and so on all the way up to it getting much tougher in an 18 team comp.

The reality is not everyone does believe this. For example my club won the 1995 premiership and went to it in person but I still think it was easier to win than a flag in 1982. There were less teams in league in 1982 but I believe it was tougher to win the premiership as top four or five teams were really strong teams and posed a real challenge to beat but top few teams in salary cap and draft era seem easier to beat as more teams are more even but before the salary cap the top teams were a lot better than lower teams imo so it was less even overall but more of a challenge at the top to win the premiership. So I value the 1982 even higher than 1995 as it really felt harder to win than in 1995.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

182.88

I have Eagles at 166.66.

Been in the competition 36 years for 4 flags @ 11.11% strike rate.

Beat 14, 14, 15, 17 teams for an average teams beaten figure of 15.

11.11 x 15 = 166.66

So we have a new leader though I should be docking you for claiming 16.22 points you did not earn Shuey.

Let's look at Carlton as well. 11.7% of seasons they have won the flag. Going backward from 1995, they beat 15, 13, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 8, 9, 9, 7, 7 = average 10.31 teams beaten. 11.7 x 10.31 = 120.63. We have a new 3rd place getter, welcome to the podium Carlton.

To be fair let us adjust Richmond to make them correct. They have won flags in 11.3% of the seasons they have played v an average of 11.84 opponents = 133.79

I just wonder where the other peloton clubs Collingwood and Essendon sit on this more credible all time Premiership strike rate ladder adjusted to amount of teams beaten to win flags?


Eagles 166.66
Richmond 133.79
Carlton 120.63
Hawthorn 13.4
Essendon 13.01
Carlton 12.8
Brisbane 12.0
Collingwood 12.0
Melbourne 10.66
Fitzroy 8.0
Geelong 7.38
Adelaide 6.45
North 4.12
Swans 4.03
Port 4.0
Bulldogs 2.06
Saints 0.81

 

[Meteoric Rise]

The reality is not everyone does believe this. For example my club won the 1995 premiership and went to it in person but I still think it was easier to win than a flag in 1982. There were less teams in league in 1982 but I believe it was tougher to win the premiership as top four or five teams were really strong teams and posed a real challenge to beat but top few teams in salary cap and draft era seem easier to beat as more teams are more even but before the salary cap the top teams were a lot better than lower teams imo so it was less even overall but more of a challenge at the top to win the premiership. So I value the 1982 even higher than 1995 as it really felt harder to win than in 1995.

Nice pre-emptive protest ff1978, but you lose a review for being wrong.

You must have realised the Blues would sit below their arch finals nemesis the Tigers before I published the official figures for both teams....

 

[footyfan1978]

Nice pre-emptive protest ff1978, but you lose a review for being wrong.

There no protest here or being wrong. Just a very different opinion.
82 flag was worth more to me than 95 because it was harder to win a premiership in 82 than 95 for us. Which means this simple notion of more teams automatically means harder to win seems nonsense to me. It more to do with no salary cap so better teams were more concentrated with more of the better talent and so were harder to beat.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

There no protest here or being wrong. Just a very different opinion.
82 flag was worth more to me than 95 because it was harder to win a premiership in 82 than 95 for us. Which means this simple notion of more teams automatically means harder to win seems nonsense to me. It more to do with no salary cap so better teams were more concentrated with more of the better talent and so were harder to beat.

Yet Carlton won:

5 flags in 28 years in an 8-10 team comp. 18% s/r

9 flags in 62 years in a 12 team comp. 14.5% s/r

And 2 flags in 36 years once the competition went beyond 12 teams....5.5% s/r


So it seems by your reckoning the Blues found them easier to win when they were harder to win and harder to win when they were easier to win.

 

[footyfan1978]

Yet Carlton won:

5 flags in 28 years in an 8-10 team comp.


So it seems by your reckoning the Blues found them easier to win when they were harder to win and harder to win when they were easier to win.

Well your analysis would be off again. We been so shit for well over two decades it does not matter if it easier at the top to win them because we been shit for so long. But once we get to the top it will be easy to win a batch of them before equalisation reels you back in to the fold and someone else takes their turn. Before salary cap era it was harder to win three in a row or three in four years as you had Hawks, Blues, Tigers, North and Essendon in various degrees battle it out with the Colliwobblers regular brides maids and you had to earn it to beat those other strong teams.