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HAWKS Still hold Best PREMIERSHIP Strike Rate.... How long can they keep top spot?
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ha ha. You idiot...
We had 7 flags before the Mayblooms, and Tiges were even established.Damn.
In that case we had better calculate Geelong's strike rate, where i don't need to be so creative.
10 flags in 123 seasons = Flags in 8.13% of seasons.
Premierships over 17, 16, 15, 15, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11 clubs = 12.9 teams beaten on average.
8.13 x 12.9 = 104.88
Podium
Hawthorn 175.5
Eagles 166.66
Richmond 133.79
Peloton
Essendon 132.23
Carlton 120.63
Trying to tack on to the peloton
Geelong 104.88
Yet to be calculated
Brisbane 12.0
Collingwood 12.0
Melbourne 10.66
Fitzroy 8.0
Adelaide 6.45
North 4.12
Swans 4.03
Port 4.0
Bulldogs 2.06
Whipping them in
Saints 8.88
Fair way behind their arch rivals, their vice-arch rivals and their arch finals nemesis the Cats. If only they hadn't lost their last 6 Grand finals to the Podium clubs...
And definately plenty more before WC.
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I like to say it to Hawthorn fans when they get a bit overly arrogant. It always pipes them down!
95% of them have no idea of any history before they were born. Especially the history of 1902 to 1961 where did not win any premierships. It like history of the club starts with Kennedy and nothing before that. So most of them would have no clue about what you talking about. 5% of them would of heard his name at best.
Irish BlueBagger
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A mere blank and empty page sums up Hawthorns history pre 1961. I seriously mean that as well.
Irish BlueBagger
Ophidian Old Boys Season 37 Grand Final Winner
The Hawks couldn't even win a VFA flag. Look at the two other 1925 expansion clubs, the Western Bulldogs won 9 VFA premierships and North Melbourne won 6 of them.
Since 1961 though, Hawthorn have won more flags than any other club. Credit where credits due, it's been a pretty remarkable transformation.
Since 1961 though, Hawthorn have won more flags than any other club. Credit where credits due, it's been a pretty remarkable transformation.
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This is from a mind who apparently likes dobbing one thought into another and so we apparently must comprehend and take note of and we must obey.. The sweet nature of those who demonstrate a particular rhetorical nature...Well you know the rest...
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Stuttering is not ...no we all...perfectionI think you rushed this.
Not quite as smooth or clever as it could have been, and too many factual mistakes unfortunately.
But I guess you have a lot of trolling to do as well, and can't really spend the time to perfect every post.
So...back to it mate.
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Why would learning that it was Hale behind the transformation into the greatest modern team, rather than Kennedy, pipe anyone down? Is it due to his Carlton connection? Thats a strange one.
Doesn't bother me in the slightest. Im pretty happy with the result regardless who was driving it.
So?
Where did you pull this number of 95% from? Are you saying Hawthorn have a young average supporter age? Like its a bad thing?
These are some strange flexes.
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Thats 36 years. Its been a blank page for 27 years for Carlton since 1995.
Not trying to throw shade at Carlton but its not a huge difference in time.
Actually, seeing it written down, Im feeling old.
From the Hawks fans i have known about 1 in 20 even know anything beyond Kennedy era. That 5% estimate. Least you heard of him.
Totally agree. Just shows when a club really ****s up from top down it can take many decades to recover. Hopefully for us not as long as Demons did.
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Also 32 years to win a final. Essendon are well over half way there with this being year 19
Irish BlueBagger
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Your club was in the VFA for many years as well without achieving success.
As i said in another post it's been a remarkable transformation. Hawthorn are by far the greatest club of the modern era.
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One further adjustment may give this even greater credibility.
If we recognise that winning a flag in a 10 team comp is tougher than doing so in an 8 team comp and so on all the way up to it getting much tougher in an 18 team comp.
We could add a column for average amount of teams beaten to win Premierships. So Saints won one flag beating 11 teams, average 11. Bulldogs won 2 flags beating 11 then 17 teams - an average of 14 and so on. Multiply this figure by the strike rate. This would obviously reduce the impact of flags won in the 4, 6, 8, 9, 10, 11 and 12 team years and increase the impact of flags won in 14, 15, 16, 17 and 18 team eras.
So let me add up a random team, mmmm, Richmond. Won 13 flags v 8 8 11 11 10 11 11 11 11 11 17 17 17 opponents. 11.84 is the average amount of opponents beaten. Multiply this by the strike rate of flags won in 11.4% of the seasons Richmond have competed in we get 134.98.
And the table now looks like this:
Richmond 134.98
Hawthorn 13.4
Essendon 13.01
Carlton 12.8
Brisbane 12.0
Collingwood 12.0
Eagles 11.43
Melbourne 10.66
Fitzroy 8.0
Geelong 7.38
Adelaide 6.45
North 4.12
Swans 4.03
Port 4.0
Bulldogs 2.06
Saints 0.81
Nobody else on the board yet. I wonder if any other teams would go ahead of the incredible Tigers based on strike rate x amount of teams beaten?
I know this puts Richmond at the top but it simply can't be correct (must be a maths error).
Richmond and Hawthorn have won the same number of flags. Hawthorn have been in the competition for 17 fewer years AND won more flags more recently (i.e. when more teams were in the comp).
I took some licence there in only fully calculating Richmond's final figure. If you read on you will get the full answer.
campaigners everywhere trying unsuccessfully to take our podium position off us, but it is:
1. Hawthorn
2. Eagles Pty Ltd
3. Richmond
Followed by the peloton clubs Lions Bombers Blues Demons Pies.
Then behind the peloton, Geelong, still trying to claim flags from an era when their opponents who had no idea Colin Carter would even one day be a thing, also had no idea whatsoever they were playing for titles.
Hopefully that answers your entirely reasonable enquiry GH.
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Thanks for your efforts there MT. I was too exhausted to do the further re-calibration. Think the Tigers are well placed out of those 3 to maybe go forward in the peloton.I took some licence there in only fully calculating Richmond's final figure. If you read on you will get the full answer.
campaigners everywhere trying unsuccessfully to take our podium position off us, but it is:
1. Hawthorn
2. Eagles Pty Ltd
3. Richmond
Followed by the peloton clubs Lions Bombers Blues Demons Pies.
Then behind the peloton, Geelong, still trying to claim flags from an era when their opponents who had no idea Colin Carter would even one day be a thing, also had no idea whatsoever they were playing for titles.
Hopefully that answers your entirely reasonable enquiry GH.
Podium sp23. Peloton is where the chasing pack of Melbourne, Essendon, Brisbane, Carlton and Collingwood is right now. Geelong is not even up with the peloton. Saints are in the Eric the Eel position.
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Even Giants or GC are not out of contention if they could grab a couple of flags in the next 2 or 3 years ???
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