Hawks still in premiership race thanks to umpires...

[PottSie2]

The umpiring last night will be the difference between the Eagles winning the GF or ... not.

 

[RogerC]

PS - I don't accept that 'we got a gift goal from Lewis so it all evens out' as justification. Ignoring the fact it was an isolated incident. the 50m penalty was a result of dumb play by Lewis. There wasn't a great deal in it, but the only outcome (other than nothing) from dragging down a player who has marked the ball when you aren't in the contest is a 50m penalty. He stood to gain nothing from doing it.

This is just your standard argument from a biased supporter. The way it always seems to go is:

1. The marginal frees that your team got were there because...

2. The marginal frees the other side got were there but...

What I got from that game is what I get from pretty much every game I see nowadays. Umpiring is inconsistent, but the bigger problem is that the rules they have to enforce are even worse. The deliberate out of bounds rule is becoming farcical. The concept of 'prior opportunity' is way too harsh on the player going after the ball, and too easy on the player who hangs back and waits to tackle. 50 metre penalties are being handed out way too liberally. And the rules for interference in a marking contest are all over the place.

From what I saw of the match, Hawthorn were the better side, but West Coast were the smarter side, and played to the conditions better. You can talk about individual decisions all you like, but what it came down to in the end was which side wanted it more.

 

[RogerC]

Don't worry they just get unhappy becuase the MRP and the umpires can see through their bunch of thugs and 'unsocial' brand of football.

It must be exciting to get away with it sometimes.

Ever since last September, whenever the wind is coming from the south-west, I often hear this high-pitched whining noise, and I could never work out what it was.

Now I know. Geelong supporters.

 

[jazz]

What, the one thread with around 50 posts?? Most of which aren't even really whinging that much.

There's more than just this thread about and the Hawk's complainers only start one anti-umpire thread per game and get lambasted

 

[lethalselbow]

Anyone watching the game would agree. Been paying shockers to Hawks all game. But the one that cost the Eagles was when we were a goal up and the ball was 20m out from from out goal. Cox outmuscles hawthorn player during boundary throw-in, takes the ball out of the air, is attempting a snap shot on goal and umpire blows whistle for a pushout against Cox.

Hawks go up the other end and kick a goal. 12 point turn around. Get all the momentum, and romp home to victory.

Nice one umpies. Making sure one of Geelongs challengers isnt knocked out of the finals race early in the season. Pricks

And here's me thinking that Hawthorn have the most free kicks against them of the competition.

Mate, we get slaughtered by the umpires every week.

West Coast were good... just not good enough. Hawthorn won in a tough match.

Get over it.

 

[Lach72]

This is just your standard argument from a biased supporter. The way it always seems to go is:

1. The marginal frees that your team got were there because...

2. The marginal frees the other side got were there but...

You're basing your argument on the Lewis 50m as marginal is a farce.

It was a 50m everyday of the week, and in no way marginal

 

[lethalselbow]

You're basing your argument on the Lewis 50m as marginal is a farce.

It was a 50m everyday of the week, and in no way marginal

That was a 50m every time. Brain fade by Lewis. Stupid by Lewis, but when you play it tough and close to the edge, these things happen.

 

[bluespooner]

I was at the ground and from my perspective WCE got the better of the umpiring.

• The 50M penalty awarded against Lewis for a certain goal, how does a player running and committed to a spoil, miraculously pull up without some incidental contact.
• The free kick awarded to WCE at the start of the fourth quarter in the centre of the ground, for a nothing contact that ended up as a goal, if it had gone the other way or been called play on was a high likelihood of a Hawthorn goal as they had the numbers at the time.
• The non paying of Morton's mark in the forward line in the last quarter. A number of marks not paid to Franklin that must have been line ball for controlling the ball, alternatively taking his arms out as he was controlling the ball not paid.
• The rucking contests, free kicks pulled out of their arse that favoured WCE.

What is it now 3 times since 2007 that Hawthorn has been on the winning side of the ledger from the umpires. And this game once again the match stats show WCE got more free kicks just, perhaps not the usual one way traffic as when they played Hawthorn last year at Subiaco.

Just amazing that when Hawthorn pulls even in the free kick department opposition posters can claim they owe the umpires. Not every side can get the umpire favouritism given to Geelong and St kilda.

 

[Darwi]

The Cox decision was dumb... but who knows what goes through an umpire's head with ruck contests. Cox gets his fair share.

The Glass decision was an easy one for the umpire. Glass pushed Franklin under the ball with no intention of going for the ball. Glass ended up under the ball himself with two fists in the air trying to look innocent - it was easy for the umpire to pay the free.

Normally Glass is very good at subtly getting his opponent forward of the contest (and kudos to him for it) - but in this case he just got the timing all wrong.

I'm so-so on the Roughead tackle.

The Eagle player had no time - but also made no attempt - likely because Roughy brought him down and them flipped him upside down. The arm holding the ball was free for a while. It was a bit like those tackles where you bring a player down holding one arm - the ball isn't pinned but you can't dispose of it either.

I was surprised that the umps paid it... they generally let them go in front of goal - which probably would have been a fairer outcome.

 

[Darwi]

hawks are not a top 6 team this year.

Only in your wildest dreams...

 

[Alex_au]

Funny thread, have a cry Eagles supporters. You even lead the free kick count for the game. What about the stupid 50m penalty for Priddis?

Fact is Hawks played crap and won in cruise mode, which is all what was needed

 

[The Falcon Strike]

The Cox decision was dumb... but who knows what goes through an umpire's head with ruck contests. Cox gets his fair share.

The Glass decision was an easy one for the umpire. Glass pushed Franklin under the ball with no intention of going for the ball. Glass ended up under the ball himself with two fists in the air trying to look innocent - it was easy for the umpire to pay the free.

Normally Glass is very good at subtly getting his opponent forward of the contest (and kudos to him for it) - but in this case he just got the timing all wrong.

I'm so-so on the Roughead tackle.

The Eagle player had no time - but also made no attempt - likely because Roughy brought him down and them flipped him upside down. The arm holding the ball was free for a while. It was a bit like those tackles where you bring a player down holding one arm - the ball isn't pinned but you can't dispose of it either.

I was surprised that the umps paid it... they generally let them go in front of goal - which probably would have been a fairer outcome.

the glass one was 50/50

the roughead one was there - perfect tackles, mckenzie had one arm free, he should have endeavoured to kick it

the cox one was rubbish, lets be fair though - the ruck contest is a freaking lottery each week.

the lewis 50m was there, just can't be done

if the hawks got the rub of the green, so be it - the umpiring isn't going to be 100% accurate each week, which means sometimes is goes your way, sometimes it doesn't.

the whinging by both team's supporters is pathetic. the umpiring didn't cost us the game, and to say the hawks have copped bad umpiring for 2 years is equally drivel

umps make mistakes, live with it. Considering it was a wet day, i thought the endeavour by both clubs and the umps who generally protected the bloke with his head over it was good

 

[Off The Couch]

the glass one was 50/50

the roughead one was there - perfect tackles, mckenzie had one arm free, he should have endeavoured to kick it

the cox one was rubbish, lets be fair though - the ruck contest is a freaking lottery each week.

the lewis 50m was there, just can't be done

if the hawks got the rub of the green, so be it - the umpiring isn't going to be 100% accurate each week, which means sometimes is goes your way, sometimes it doesn't.

the whinging by both team's supporters is pathetic. the umpiring didn't cost us the game, and to say the hawks have copped bad umpiring for 2 years is equally drivel

umps make mistakes, live with it. Considering it was a wet day, i thought the endeavour by both clubs and the umps who generally protected the bloke with his head over it was good

And with this post, sanity is restored

 

[slidetribe]

Funny thread, have a cry Eagles supporters. You even lead the free kick count for the game. What about the stupid 50m penalty for Priddis?

Fact is Hawks played crap and won in cruise mode, which is all what was needed

Can't believe Hawthorn fans are complaining about that one, you can't tackle and dump a player after he's clearly held a mark, it wasn't even a spoil attempt, it was simply a tackle applied on a player that had marked the ball.

 

[wotdoiput]

Umpiring was beyond disgraceful. But then that hasnt been anything different in nearly every other game I have watched this season. The standard of umpiring has really erally fallen down the crapper.

We were close enough if we were good enough. But its just hard to take when the umpiring is just so putrid.

 

[The Mongrel Punt]

Audacious
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West Coast

Credibility and impartiality = 0

 

[Alex_au]

Can't believe Hawthorn fans are complaining about that one, you can't tackle and dump a player after he's clearly held a mark, it wasn't even a spoil attempt, it was simply a tackle applied on a player that had marked the ball.

Are you blind? It was clearly a spoil attempt! Lewis was airborne attempting to spoil, even before Priddis took the mark.

 

[Unsociable]

I was at the ground and from my perspective WCE got the better of the umpiring.

• The 50M penalty awarded against Lewis for a certain goal, how does a player running and committed to a spoil, miraculously pull up without some incidental contact.
• The free kick awarded to WCE at the start of the fourth quarter in the centre of the ground, for a nothing contact that ended up as a goal, if it had gone the other way or been called play on was a high likelihood of a Hawthorn goal as they had the numbers at the time.
• The non paying of Morton's mark in the forward line in the last quarter. A number of marks not paid to Franklin that must have been line ball for controlling the ball, alternatively taking his arms out as he was controlling the ball not paid.
• The rucking contests, free kicks pulled out of their arse that favoured WCE.

What is it now 3 times since 2007 that Hawthorn has been on the winning side of the ledger from the umpires. And this game once again the match stats show WCE got more free kicks just, perhaps not the usual one way traffic as when they played Hawthorn last year at Subiaco.

Just amazing that when Hawthorn pulls even in the free kick department opposition posters can claim they owe the umpires. Not every side can get the umpire favouritism given to Geelong and St kilda.

Thankyou far a well argued and rational post. It is rare to see someone being impartial on BF.

 

[garygee]

The umpiring was utterly terrible.

Anyone who thinks 'West Coast only lost because of the umpires' should have their contribution excluded from any intelligent discussion. Likewise, anyone who thinks the umpires didn't influence the game to the betterment of Hawthorn belongs in the same boat..

I'll go along with that. I was watching the game with an Essendon fan and we both hate McLaren. the count was 23-24 WCs favour btw.
It seemed for the last two years we not only had to beat the opposing teams but the umps too. I think it was down to the "unsociable football" tag. They seemed to be watching Hawks more closely. That seems to have died down thank god but Jordan Lewis still can't get a break.
In the end you have to beat the opposing team and that means negating any bad umpiring decisions.

 

[zigskillz]

Every "neutral" on bigfooty is extremely jealous of our success on and off the field over thel ast few years.

After bagging our club non stop for three years when we were down the bottom of the ladder they hate the fact we could give it back to them last year.

The umpiring was not good last night - there were terrible decisions both ways, you and the "neutrals" are ignoring the terrible decision that favoured West Coast and focussing on the ones against you.

First of all, LOL. you're a douchebag


secondly. we just weren't good enough to convert our chances infront of goal. if we had kicked more goals instead of points im sure we would have got the ascendency and gone further ahead so much so the horribad umpiring would've been a non-issue - like last week.

 

[CF]

Anyone watching the game would agree. Been paying shockers to Hawks all game. But the one that cost the Eagles was when we were a goal up and the ball was 20m out from from out goal. Cox outmuscles hawthorn player during boundary throw-in, takes the ball out of the air, is attempting a snap shot on goal and umpire blows whistle for a pushout against Cox.

Hawks go up the other end and kick a goal. 12 point turn around. Get all the momentum, and romp home to victory.

Nice one umpies. Making sure one of Geelongs challengers isnt knocked out of the finals race early in the season. Pricks

I did see this and felt that the Goal the Hawks got from the play which started at that free kick really gave them a surge.

The umpires positively were favoring the hawks in that match.

 

[SA HAWK]

I did see this and felt that the Goal the Hawks got from the play which started at that free kick really gave them a surge.

The umpires positively were favoring the hawks in that match.

It's funny how many cats fans have posted in this thread.

Wonder why?

 

[Beckers]

The umpiring has been pathetically soft and overly technical all year. Are people in this thread saying they only noticed it now??

The ANZAC day clash they put the whistle away and it was fantastic!!