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JFC have a gander at their twitter feed, enough said...
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AFL defends Hawks racism investigation as alleged victim brands safety ‘a lie’
AFL defends Hawks racism investigation as alleged victim brands safety ‘a lie’www.foxsports.com.au
Huh? Use your words.
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It addresses exactly what your post said?
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Is that a real page…
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Yes sir not hard to work out they're a rabid lefty mob hey?
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Judging from their Twitter page, they’re about 95% political activist, 5% law firm
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Some of the report's concerns seem to have a degree of validity, looking from the outside at least, but the part that concerns is
"The question the AFL should be asking itself is not 'Did these things happen?' but 'How did these things happen on our watch?"
This would go against all principles of natural justice afforded to offenders all the way up to mass murder, as it presumes guilt even before the investigation starts and makes any response from a defendant irrelevant.
"The question the AFL should be asking itself is not 'Did these things happen?' but 'How did these things happen on our watch?"
This would go against all principles of natural justice afforded to offenders all the way up to mass murder, as it presumes guilt even before the investigation starts and makes any response from a defendant irrelevant.
They’re activists.
It’s very cart before horse. Once it’s proven, then that is a question that should be asked by numerous groups up the chain. The AFL, Hawks CEO, Hawks board, AFLPA are the obvious ones. But right now it’s an ‘if’ it happened, which is unlikely in terms of exactly as described.
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The 1st thing the AFL should be establishing is what actually did happen (if anything)... but to do this they need all parties to participate in the process... or it will probably remain unresolved.
The AFL should have set-up a process where all parties were OK to participate... but they appear to have a higher priority to wrap this up asap. Natural justice doesn't normally occur in a month or so where there is a proper process...
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Once again .....the AFL wants everything to fit its timeline .....not ruin the PS, or takeaway from the positivity of a new season launch
Post Draft seems the right time .....well, to the AFL anyway
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Sometimes saying your truth and then staying quiet, is way more powerful than elaborating .....that's not indicating where the truth lies ....just that, trial by media is very powerful, in today's World
“The process which the AFL has determined to pursue is not independent of it,” the statement claims.
“While we cast no aspersions on the nominated investigation panel members, the entire process will be conducted under the control of the AFL and for the AFL’s purposes.”
Have to agree with this. The AFL is stacking the deck again. They’d be looking for a better outcome for the AFL than when its Essendon ‘smoothing over’ went belly up.
“While we cast no aspersions on the nominated investigation panel members, the entire process will be conducted under the control of the AFL and for the AFL’s purposes.”
Have to agree with this. The AFL is stacking the deck again. They’d be looking for a better outcome for the AFL than when its Essendon ‘smoothing over’ went belly up.
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As long as all the lemmings baying for immediate blood are happy to see the coaches back at work whilst the investigation is ongoing. Reality is that if someone has added a bit of mayo knowing there’s no risk of the claims being tested, they’re not going to be too keen to be involved in an actual investigation.
Not saying that’s what is going on with Amy, but it is one of the possibilities with regards to this situation.
It is for their purpose though. The end result is that the AFL will need to act against the coaches if the claims are true. They showed with the drugs saga that they’re happy to hang individuals out to dry for the betterment of the game overall.
Given the public interest, there’s no way they can manipulate this result, they’d rather a sacrificial lamb than not. And it’s way late for their preferred pay off method.
There is absolutely no way the AFL want to hang Clarkson out to dry. They want the best coach in the land resurrecting the biggest basket case club in the land. For that, and any other forward projects requiring his unmatched expertise.
The AFL want this to go away with as little collateral damage as possible. What better way than to be the investigating body? This is not an independent inquiry. If it was it would be independent of the AFL.
That said, This isn’t a trial either. It is certainly being treated as one by all parties and the media with bias towards both ‘sides’, but as far I’m concerned, the coaches named are ‘innocent’ unless the allegations are found to be the truth. How will anyone find the truth when the whole situation without concrete evidence is hearsay? The players and girlfriends’/wives’ words against the coaches words?
The investigation report “will be the property of the AFL” I don’t reckon we’re going to see much of it so until an AFL mole leaks it to Carro we’ll only be seeing media speculation like most of what we’re seeing now.
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Agreed. It's truly appalling.
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It's not a murder trial, there's doesn't have to be a standard met that is 'beyond reasonable doubt'.
I think what is going to hurt Clarko/Fagan is the fact that a senior Hawks official who was there at the time has allegedly corroborated some of the story, not to mention that similar themes run through each of the individual indigenous players/partners stories regarding their interactions with the club.
I think we can all agree that:
1. The investigation is being set up by the AFL with pretty tight deadlines, which serves the AFL’s interests
2. The people complaining have good reason to have doubts about the AFLs willingness to have an outcome which requires severe consequences for Clarkson or Fagan
3. It’s a bit rough to have Clarkson or Fagan face severe consequences unless they get a proper chance to be heard, and to do that they need details of the allegations including names etc.
1. The investigation is being set up by the AFL with pretty tight deadlines, which serves the AFL’s interests
2. The people complaining have good reason to have doubts about the AFLs willingness to have an outcome which requires severe consequences for Clarkson or Fagan
3. It’s a bit rough to have Clarkson or Fagan face severe consequences unless they get a proper chance to be heard, and to do that they need details of the allegations including names etc.
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How convenient that the AFL have manufactured this outcome. They've made it impossible for the accusers to feel like a) their story will be heard fairly and adequately dealt with because b) of the gag order insisted on by the AFL.
For those tripping over themselves to declare the complainants "must have been making it up" if they aren't prepared to fall into line with the AFL shit show, you've clearly never known or been a victim of this type of abhorent behaviour. Congratulations for winning at the life lottery.
Personally, if I were the victims, I'd take it to the civil courts. They are clearly never going to get what they need from the AFL farce.
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You have to remember, the original survey by HAW, was simply that a survey of past players ....not just indigenous players
For what purpose would adding mayo have, in anonymous feedback ......which just coincidentally had similar stories from 4 families ?
It only became a question of the feedback, once the ABC article came out ......not surprisingly repeating the same claims from a 2nd round of interviews .....at that stage, the chances of the families staying anonymous was going to be difficult to impossible
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