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Wrong. Hawks did what they had to do by the rules of the AFL.
Correct. For reference below, once the HFC had the report outlining serious allegations they were duty bound by the AFL’s protocol to hand over the report to the AFL integrity unit.

I will pin this post, as it seems to be a constant query.

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No, private and confidential information was leaked to a news paper well before Burt did an interview trying to defend himself and others.
Except it wasn’t private and confidential information unless those who provided it had wished it to remain that way.

The players/partners involved who spoke to the club were annoyed that nothing had been done after their chats with Egan, and so some spoke to the ABC about their experiences. The club and coaches were given an opportunity to comment prior to publication (which they didn’t take up) and the ABC reported the information as “allegations”.

This is what actually brought the matter into the light - because the AFL had chosen to sit on it, possibly hoping to sweep it under the carpet.
 
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Except it wasn’t private and confidential information unless those who provided it had wished it to remain that way.

The players/partners involved who spoke to the club were annoyed that nothing had been done after their chats with Egan, and so some spoke to the ABC about their experiences. The club and coaches were given an opportunity to comment prior to publication (which they didn’t take up) and the ABC reported the information as “allegations”.

This is what actually brought the matter into the light - because the AFL had chosen to sit on it, possibly hoping to sweep it under the carpet.
This again...

An 11th hour "we will run the story if we don't get a comment" is not being given the chance to talk.

Media do it all the time, send an email at the last minute before a weekend/holiday knowing quite well comment won't be made.
 
Except it wasn’t private and confidential information unless those who provided it had wished it to remain that way.

The players/partners involved who spoke to the club were annoyed that nothing had been done after their chats with Egan, and so some spoke to the ABC about their experiences. The club and coaches were given an opportunity to comment prior to publication (which they didn’t take up) and the ABC reported the information as “allegations”.

This is what actually brought the matter into the light - because the AFL had chosen to sit on it, possibly hoping to sweep it under the carpet.
Imagine out of the blue being smacked in the face with these allegations. It was absolutely the correct and right thing to do not to respond both from a personal and legal standpoint.
 

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This again...

An 11th hour "we will run the story if we don't get a comment" is not being given the chance to talk.

Media do it all the time, send an email at the last minute before a weekend/holiday knowing quite well comment won't be made.
The ABC were running the story regardless, and were entitled to do so, and STILL haven’t been sued because……nothing Russell Jackson reported is / was defamatory.
 
Imagine out of the blue being smacked in the face with these allegations. It was absolutely the correct and right thing to do not to respond both from a personal and legal standpoint.
Not criticising them for not responding, and that’s entirely fair enough, but the story didn’t break without any notice being given - not that notice is actually required.
 
The ABC were running the story regardless, and were entitled to do so, and STILL haven’t been sued because……nothing Russell Jackson reported is / was defamatory.

Correct and for all the posturing and having their day in court, crickets from those accused

I presume there’s still the scenario of the accused suing hfc as well
 
Correct and for all the posturing and having their day in court, crickets from those accused

I presume there’s still the scenario of the accused suing hfc as well
They could but I’d be amazed.

I think a large part of them would want to put this all behind them, and I think the AFL would be leaning on them to let it go too.

Still, I think there’s some work to be done to square it all away, which is what Gowers was referencing when he said that there were ongoing discussions being had.
 
Correct and for all the posturing and having their day in court, crickets from those accused

I presume there’s still the scenario of the accused suing hfc as well
On what grounds? HFC didn't make any allegations. HFC didn't publish any allegations.

People also talking about "the leak" there didn't need to be a leak of the Egan report. As the accusers made their allegations directly to the ABC.

The ABC reported that players were making allegations. It doesn't matter if the allegations are true or false, it is a story that the players are making the Allegations. If Joe from the pub told ABC that coach A said X to player B than there is no story. But when you get it direct from player B there is a story.
 
Except it wasn’t private and confidential information unless those who provided it had wished it to remain that way.

The players/partners involved who spoke to the club were annoyed that nothing had been done after their chats with Egan, and so some spoke to the ABC about their experiences. The club and coaches were given an opportunity to comment prior to publication (which they didn’t take up) and the ABC reported the information as “allegations”.

This is what actually brought the matter into the light - because the AFL had chosen to sit on it, possibly hoping to sweep it under the carpet.
Sorry mate, this is just false. The club only received the report about a week or so before the ABC report went public, and all reporting to date suggests that they were talking to the press concurrently with Egan.

You might be right that they suspected that nothing would be done, but what you've said isn't correct.
 
Sorry mate, this is just false. The club only received the report about a week or so before the ABC report went public, and all reporting to date suggests that they were talking to the press concurrently with Egan.

You might be right that they suspected that nothing would be done, but what you've said isn't correct.
No need to be sorry.

Yes the club received the Egan Report and passed it onto the AFL.

However the truth telling conversations with Egan had commenced in May (see paragraph 182 of the Federal Court Statement of Claim) and it may have taken 4-5 months to collate the information and furnish the Binmada report.

The Binmada report was provided to the Hawthorn Football club in August 2022. (See paragraph 183 of the Federal Court Statement of Claim)

This is easily verifiable. Defence said it was received in September 2022. There may be a day or two in it, but it’s clearly 3 weeks before the ABC article.

To suggest they weren’t annoyed that after the club received it, and around 10 days later passed it onto the AFL, who then sat on it for another 10 days during the finals of 2022, would be…..incorrect, perhaps false 😉

They spoke to the ABC well after they’d spoken to Egan, and roughly 3 weeks after the Report had been submitted.
 
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On what grounds? HFC didn't make any allegations. HFC didn't publish any allegations.

People also talking about "the leak" there didn't need to be a leak of the Egan report. As the accusers made their allegations directly to the ABC.

The ABC reported that players were making allegations. It doesn't matter if the allegations are true or false, it is a story that the players are making the Allegations. If Joe from the pub told ABC that coach A said X to player B than there is no story. But when you get it direct from player B there is a story.

HFC were the employer and like any organisation responsible for its employees.
 
No need to be sorry.

Yes the club received the Egan Report and passed it onto that AFL.

However the truth telling conversations with Egan had commenced in May (see paragraph 182 of the Federal Court Statement of Claim) and it may have taken 4-5 months to collate the information and furnish the Binmada report.

The Binmada report was provided to the Hawthorn Football club in August 2022. (See paragraph 183 of the Federal Court Statement of Claim)

This is easily verifiable. Defence said it was received in September 2022. There may be a day or two in it, but it’s clearly 3 weeks before the ABC article.

To suggest they weren’t annoyed that after the club received it, and around 10 days later passed it onto the AFL, who then sat on it for another 10 days during the finals of 2022, would be…..incorrect, perhaps false 😉

They spoke to the ABC well after they’d spoken to Egan, and roughly 3 weeks after the Report had been submitted.
This is correct and you don’t have to be Einstein to work out who stood to make the most out of the Binmada report being sent to the ABC, and it wasn’t the players.
 
No need to be sorry.

Yes the club received the Egan Report and passed it onto the AFL.

However the truth telling conversations with Egan had commenced in May (see paragraph 182 of the Federal Court Statement of Claim) and it may have taken 4-5 months to collate the information and furnish the Binmada report.

The Binmada report was provided to the Hawthorn Football club in August 2022. (See paragraph 183 of the Federal Court Statement of Claim)

This is easily verifiable. Defence said it was received in September 2022. There may be a day or two in it, but it’s clearly 3 weeks before the ABC article.


To suggest they weren’t annoyed that after the club received it, and around 10 days later passed it onto the AFL, who then sat on it for another 10 days during the finals of 2022, would be…..incorrect, perhaps false 😉

They spoke to the ABC well after they’d spoken to Egan, and roughly 3 weeks after the Report had been submitted.
Apologies, I meant the AFL receiving the report which was 10 days as you’ve mentioned.

My point still stands. It was reported by Gerard Whately at the time and others (sorry I can’t find a link) that the ABC started speaking with the players well before it was submitted to the AFL.
 
This is correct and you don’t have to be Einstein to work out who stood to make the most out of the Binmada report being sent to the ABC, and it wasn’t the players.
The report wasn’t sent to ABC, Jackson was alerted fairly early on by someone I think you suspect who, that there were some serious allegations and he pursued them with all original reporting and interviews.
 
HFC were the employer and like any organisation responsible for its employees.
Yes, which is why they would be responsible for the actions of the accused while at the club, and pay a settlement to accusers.

But not a settlement to former employees when other former employees make allegations against them..

HFC is not responsible for statements made by former employees about other former employees.

If Peter Everett was to come out and make allegations against Stan Alves would StKilda Stkilda would obviously be be responsible for damages caused to Alves reputation?

Obviously the employer is responsible for what goes on at the club, but not what people do once they leave.
 
The report wasn’t sent to ABC, Jackson was alerted fairly early on by someone I think you suspect who, that there were some serious allegations and he pursued them with all original reporting and interviews.
It was soon after it was penned.
 

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