News Hawthorn Racism Review - No player name speculation - opposition posters tread very carefully

[Strapping Young Lad]

Wrong. Hawks did what they had to do by the rules of the AFL.

Correct. For reference below, once the HFC had the report outlining serious allegations they were duty bound by the AFL’s protocol to hand over the report to the AFL integrity unit.

I will pin this post, as it seems to be a constant query.

 

[lethalselbow]

So how's that court case going...?

 

[Sixpence]

Is it? I’ve genuinely asked the question a few posts before but I don’t think it’s ridiculous to suggest that Mulgrave is closer to more of our members than the Hawthorn town hall. Ignoring the team name - I’m fairly sure more of our supporters/members are in the outer east than inner city.

There may be, but I wouldn't be surprised if there is more closer to Glenferrie. There is a massive member presence still in and around Hawthorn. As well as bayside, which is probably just as easy to get to Hawthorn as it is Mulgrave.

 

[Mercy Seat]

There may be, but I wouldn't be surprised if there is more closer to Glenferrie. There is a massive member presence still in and around Hawthorn. As well as bayside, which is probably just as easy to get to Hawthorn as it is Mulgrave.

Yeah huge presence around Hawthorn. And plenty in the inner city and even north / west, so Mulgrave I would feel would be harder for most members. But I also don't see the issue in having it at our HQ. It's one trip.

 

[Sixpence]

Yeah huge presence around Hawthorn. And plenty in the inner city and even north / west, so Mulgrave I would feel would be harder for most members. But I also don't see the issue in having it at our HQ. It's one trip.

Another thing to consider is public transport for those without cars, Hawthorn is far easier to get to by train/tram.

 

[thehardway]

So how's that court case going...?

What court case? If you're referring to the HRC it is not a court.

 

[Philhawk]

No one has refused Jeff. They’ve just said, let’s wait a bit till this legal stuff is sorted.

Ofcourse, as per usual, Jeff wants to make the story about him.

“It’s just silly. Unfortunately, it’s very petty, it may even be vindictive... I won’t lose any sleep over it, I can tell you.”

Breaking: Man who won’t lose sleep over something goes to media to cry about said thing

 

[jumpingjai]

No one has refused Jeff. They’ve just said, let’s wait a bit till this legal stuff is sorted.

The club had decided he should be awarded life membership
Why "wait a bit till this legal stuff is sorted "
A terrible way for the family club to treat its family.

 

[Yardie]

Who will ever know what is the geographically most convenient? Ask the club im sure they don't know either.

All I'm saying is that I'm sure this is not the reason for moving the AGM to Waverley where access is difficult for all.

MCG

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Who will ever know what is the geographically most convenient? Ask the club im sure they don't know either.

You honestly don't think the club have a demographic breakdown of their membership base??

 

[Ned Ryerson]

A terrible way for the family club to treat its family.

Oh please. Did you see how Jeff and his acolytes treated those in the 'family' who dared oppose them last year. Jeff is the very last person to be on his high horse over this.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

There may be, but I wouldn't be surprised if there is more closer to Glenferrie. There is a massive member presence still in and around Hawthorn. As well as bayside, which is probably just as easy to get to Hawthorn as it is Mulgrave.

Another thing to consider is public transport for those without cars, Hawthorn is far easier to get to by train/tram.

I would be surprised to be honest - Hawthorn's demographics are very different to even 10 years ago. There is a big student base there also with the unis. Also driving anywhere around Hawthorn at present with some of the roadworks going on is a nightmare - let alone in peak hour. I live in Richmond and even I wouldn't be overly compelled to drive to Hawthorn in peak hour.

My hunch would be that a fair chunk of our supporter base would be closer to Mulgrave than Hawthorn these days. I think that is one of the reasons (along with land availability of course) we are moving to Dingley also because that's where the members are. See also our links with the SE Melbourne Phoenix. Happy to be corrected.

 

[lethalselbow]

What court case? If you're referring to the HRC it is not a court.

There is no court case. Always a threat of one, but zip.

 

[Mercy Seat]

The club had decided he should be awarded life membership
Why "wait a bit till this legal stuff is sorted "
A terrible way for the family club to treat its family.

Don't know how you can defend a guy who's just run straight to the media to throw the club under the bus over something so trivial.

If the guy was really "family" he would have zipped it, no matter how slighted he feels.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Don't know how you can defend a guy who's just run straight to the media to throw the club under the bus over something so trivial.

If the guy was really "family" he would have zipped it, no matter how slighted he feels.

Plus someone who put every single barrier in the way of board appointments who weren't his hand-picked candidates and then used club resources to campaign against those people talking about transparency is fairly hilarious.

 

[jumpingjai]

Plus someone who put every single barrier in the way of board appointments who weren't his hand-picked candidates and then used club resources to campaign against those people talking about transparency is fairly hilarious.

Yep you are right
It's Jeff Kennett's fault that he won't be presented with his Life membership.

 

[thehardway]

Don't know how you can defend a guy who's just run straight to the media to throw the club under the bus over something so trivial.

If the guy was really "family" he would have zipped it, no matter how slighted he feels.

I agree but surely Gowers must have known that Jeff being Jeff that this was going to happen. It appears that there still some axes to grind from both sides.

And what legal issues is Gowers referring to? My understanding of the state of play is that the players/families have lodged a complaint with the HRC and the AFL is conducting a review into the HFCs commissioning and handling of the Egan report. What else is going on? Possibly a threat of legal action by Clarko, Fages and Burt?

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Yep you are right
It's Jeff Kennett's fault that he won't be presented with his Life membership.

I am assuming you are deliberately missing my point here. I said only a few posts ago that I would have just presented him with it. My point was that Jeff is the last person who should be having a cry about board transparency.

 

[peetoo]

Kennett has said Gowers told him it was a board decision but Kennett says other board members he has spoken to have denied that.

You resigned Jeff. Stop backgrounding. maybe have a whinge with don scott about stuff you don’t like

How would Jeff’s moment go down if some journo decided to reheat the case at the same time?

 

[Toasted]

Yep you are right
It's Jeff Kennett's fault that he won't be presented with his Life membership.

Its a shame your being sarcastic, because your kinda right. Plus, he’s “throw the toys out of the cot” attitude will be the reason why he probably won’t be awarded next time. Here’s a prediction for you, when he finally gets awarded it, he’ll run to the press and make a song and dance about why he won’t accept it.
sigh he did some really good thing for HFC, but if he keeps acting like a 4 year old every time he doesn’t get his way, he can GAGF. I’m already over it

 

[Mr Lizard]

Don't complain, don't explain. Don't air the dirty laundry.

We embarrass ourselves with this palaver.

 

[MasterSamurai]

Oh God! Just give the guy his membership he's been promised and be done with it! Wtf is all this off field crap that we have to deal with. He was always going to mouth off in the media , anyone would've known that, so Gower's has decided to drag this shit out. What happened to doing things behind closed doors? We as a club are on the right path on field and looking to get going off field in time as well but these sort of petty arguments sprayed through the media is awful business.

 

[Dewnior]

I listened to the whole interview and Jeff once again explained who leaked the report this time with a little more detail and claimed it was the 3 wives/partners of the former players.

In terms of the life membership, would Jeff be entitled to it if he had not altered the constitution to allow himself an extra term on the board?

 

[CHUBBSS]

Has anyone thought Jeff is working with the club to distance himself and then will go rogue on the afl

 

[Cyclops]

May I post in your forum?

Cards on the table, I strongly dislike Kennett for political reasons and also personal ones: I have had family members work close to him and in my view he's a stinker of a man. I think much of your current woes are down to him, failing to change culture and making it worse.

Its worth distinguishing my hurt feelings from his actual achievements, he clearly helped connect Hawthorn and set up a successful era, and his mental health work is to be applauded, I did not think he had it in him but he did some great things for the country there.

He's obviously done a lot for your club with strong political and financial connections (like McGuire did for ours) and had as much success as McGuire. As with McGuire a lot of the fruits of his labours have been harvested by others. There's a reason for that.

Jeff was under pressure over the whole Rioli saga, something I heard about from a mate inside the club years ago. The botched inquiry has pushed the heat onto ex coaches and staff and off Jeff, I suspect that was his idea.

Jeff has a self destructive streak. He lost an unlosable election and has often spoiled good things he worked hard to build. Best for Hawthorn to let him finish his current spiral before giving him a gong. He does deserve it but the club has to protect itself. The whole league lives off government money and licenses in a heap of different ways, and if you let racism slide you risk losing that.

 

[AussieToffee15]

Has anyone taken a minute to think how this became a thing?

Jeff in one breathe claims he doesn't care about the Life Membership, yet he is the one that rang the journalists himself to tell them about the decision.

Jeff has always, and always will be about Jeff. It has been refreshing to not have to hear 'his' opinions, packaged up as 'our' opinions.

FWIW, the Club should have just awarded the life membership next year when everything had been finalised, but this is only an issue because Jeff has made it an issue.