News Hawthorn Racism Review - No player name speculation - opposition posters tread very carefully

[Strapping Young Lad]

Wrong. Hawks did what they had to do by the rules of the AFL.

Correct. For reference below, once the HFC had the report outlining serious allegations they were duty bound by the AFL’s protocol to hand over the report to the AFL integrity unit.

I will pin this post, as it seems to be a constant query.

 

[Brant]

Pretty sure HedgeFund is a lawyer and knows a little more than you on this one. Take your L.

Is (or was) also involved in footy, yet still has plenty of questionable (friendly word for terrible) takes.

Is a discussion - only the Courts make rulings & they're usually shades of stupid - just let it roll...

 

[Dewnior]

…which the ABC was very careful to point out they never claimed to actually be facts.

If you ever bothered to read the original articles.

Just that the allegations had been made…..

For the 4000th time.

Never really wanted to post in this thread but after reading some of Hawthorn Football Club defence if this had of been put on the table earlier could a lot of this be avoided.

I’m not sure what being the nationally owned broadcaster has to do with anything. If the used the terms alleged/claimed/etc I’m not sure they’ve done anything wrong

ABC had evidence, they had first hand statements.

It's not up to the journalist to determine if the allegations are true, that's for the courts.

They reported that the egan report existed - Fact

They reported that players made various allegations - fact.

They do not need to investigate the claims made by an interviewee they just need to quote them. A journalist does not have the ability to compel a witness to make a statement, to access text and email records etc...

The ABC did not make a claim that the allegations are false or that they are true.

Ponder this for a moment...

 

[Hawkas1988]

This is something that I've mentioned a few times in this thread to be true. I was told very early on from a mate that is close to the Rioli's + Long's up in Darwin when the allegations first surfaced that he is even estranged from most of his family (mainly the Long's). The reason for the estrangement is because of his wife Shannyn who apparently isn't a good person at all.

You know something isn't right when pretty much your mother's side of the family (the Long's) weren't invited to their wedding. If you read between the lines not many people like her and when they've let Cyril know this it has caused a huge family split. I'm not sure if anyone can remember but Michael Long released and article 2 or so years ago where he was pleading how worried he was about Cyril and his mental state.

As for estranging himself from his premiership teammates I would really like to know what there thought's on Shannyn are especially when you've got multiple past Indigenous players in Buddy, Silk, Hill and Bateman all seeming to fine with the club. Finally I really hope I don't need to state that I'm not choosing sides in all of this but just wanted to share what I got told very early in the piece about Shannyn.

Have heard some really poor but also sad stuff in regards to the 2 of them. I know in most of these situations it's wrong to blame a partner for a lot of the issues but have heard some very ordinary things about her as a person.

Hopefully in time things improve.

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[play2win]

I think it's unfair to her that many are making her a Yoko Ono that is corrupting the beloved idol.

Both their names are on it, and Cyril is not a child. Also while I don't think they have much of a case based on what's put forward, clearly the club can do better and it's a damn shame what happened. Also I don't care if what Kennett said was just a silly boomer joke, if the ultimatum was given for him to apologise and resign or Cyril would retire, F him for not doing it. No matter how right i though i was if it meant Cyril would leave the club I would gladly take the hit. And shame on the club for not firing Kennett out of a cannon to keep Cyril.

When Cyril retired the club was oblivious to any unresolved issues, the reasons given about his retirement had nothing to do with any of these allegations.

 

[HairyO]

When Cyril retired the club was oblivious to any unresolved issues, the reasons given about his retirement had nothing to do with any of these allegations.

The interesting thing is the payout he got which was conditional on not making any Federal court claims.

Does Hawthorn now counter sue for their money back ?

 

[Hawker55]

When Cyril retired the club was oblivious to any unresolved issues, the reasons given about his retirement had nothing to do with any of these allegations.

Plus while I think Jeff is a knob, I’m also pretty sure he did apologise multiple times.

 

[Bedi]

Cyril was already wanting to go home before the incident happened. He had been in Melbourne since he was 14. Maybe some of Cyril’s angst is towards his family for making him move down to Melbourne and board at Scotch.

Cyril should be able to put this into context. What about the numerous things HFC have done for him and his family even before his wife came on the scene.
Like I said he could earn more money if he was involved in a marketing role for the club for the rest of his life.

There was a rumour going around that the former players believed Shannon was the one influencing Cyril to think this way and go down this path.
He is burning all his bridges and he will be the one who regrets it in the long run.

He visited Scotch in July to meet students so dont think there's any issues there

 

[Jim Prideaux]

Ponder this for a moment...

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Ha ha ha, I mean every news org in the world would have the same thing somewhere on their website. If you believe it has any meaning, I have a lovely bridge in the uk to sell you.

 

[Mitchell Madness]

ABC had evidence, they had first hand statements.

It's not up to the journalist to determine if the allegations are true, that's for the courts.

They reported that the egan report existed - Fact

They reported that players made various allegations - fact.

They do not need to investigate the claims made by an interviewee they just need to quote them. A journalist does not have the ability to compel a witness to make a statement, to access text and email records etc...

The ABC did not make a claim that the allegations are false or that they are true.

First hand statements are unreliable. There's a reason not even the herald sun will publish stories on alien invasions...

 

[Dewnior]

Ha ha ha, I mean every news org in the world would have the same thing somewhere on their website. If you believe it has any meaning, I have a lovely bridge in the uk to sell you.

SBS doesn't mention anything about Integrity in their Values. Probably because they know it's impossible to uphold.

Our values - SBS About

Our values Underpinning our success, SBS’s five values inform our behaviours and actions, and influence our decisions and how we work. We are audience obsessed We exist for them. We are passionate about understanding our audiences’ needs and what inspires them. We make decisions with our...

www.sbs.com.au

Is it London Bridge? Otherwise not interested.

 

[Gaborone]

Leave the ABC out of this. It was entitled to report on the news. I am just so glad court proceedings are about to start. We need to clear this matter up once and for all so that we can move on. There will be casualties and lessons for all.

 

[Jim Prideaux]

SBS doesn't mention anything about Integrity in their Values. Probably because they know it's impossible to uphold.

Our values - SBS About

Our values Underpinning our success, SBS’s five values inform our behaviours and actions, and influence our decisions and how we work. We are audience obsessed We exist for them. We are passionate about understanding our audiences’ needs and what inspires them. We make decisions with our...

www.sbs.com.au

Is it London Bridge? Otherwise not interested.

It is London bridge

Edit: SBS has very vague values, but I’ve no doubt if you ask their reporters they would mention truth and fairness

Edit: https://www.sbs.com.au/aboutus/sbs-code-of-practice/

 

[eldorado]

Arguments that ABC news services are liable for stating allegations have been made are laughably stupid.

One could say exactly the same thing when they report that someone has been charged with murder.

 

[Mitchell Madness]

Arguments that ABC news services are liable for stating allegations have been made are laughably stupid.

One could say exactly the same thing when they report that someone has been charged with murder.

When they report on an alleged murder, they do not report the entire case though, they will say "person x found stabbed, person y charged with murder" as an example.
That's as far as they report

 

[eldorado]

When they report on an alleged murder, they do not report the entire case though, they will say "person x found stabbed, person y charged with murder" as an example.
That's as far as they report

Because they don't have access to the police evidence...where media publication could influence/prejudice a jury, pretrial.

Whisteblower allegations, allegations against big employers, such as sexual discrimination, etc, are news ALL THE TIME.


What they are reporting is true, that allegations have been made.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

This is something that I've mentioned a few times in this thread to be true. I was told very early on from a mate that is close to the Rioli's + Long's up in Darwin when the allegations first surfaced that he is even estranged from most of his family (mainly the Long's). The reason for the estrangement is because of his wife Shannyn who apparently isn't a good person at all.

You know something isn't right when pretty much your mother's side of the family (the Long's) weren't invited to their wedding. If you read between the lines not many people like her and when they've let Cyril know this it has caused a huge family split. I'm not sure if anyone can remember but Michael Long released and article 2 or so years ago where he was pleading how worried he was about Cyril and his mental state.

As for estranging himself from his premiership teammates I would really like to know what there thought's on Shannyn are especially when you've got multiple past Indigenous players in Buddy, Silk, Hill and Bateman all seeming to fine with the club. Finally I really hope I don't need to state that I'm not choosing sides in all of this but just wanted to share what I got told very early in the piece about Shannyn.

Exactly what I’ve been told by someone who knows the families too.

Cyril was a recluse after retiring, barely saw a soul. That’s when uncle Michael made those comments.

 

[DogDaySonny]

Arguments that ABC news services are liable for stating allegations have been made are laughably stupid.

One could say exactly the same thing when they report that someone has been charged with murder.

I agree. One could charge the ABC with tabloid journalism in the matter, but that’s a feature of modern journalism and not a bug.

 

[HairyO]

Arguments that ABC news services are liable for stating allegations have been made are laughably stupid.

One could say exactly the same thing when they report that someone has been charged with murder.

Please tell me you didnt think this through at the time and now see how incredibly different it is?

Becsuse this is just a ridiculous analogy.

 

[Dont_be_a_Plonka]

Because the claimants are indigenous and all their legal fees are being covered. Australia has a dark history of how indigenous people were treated in the past so there is sensitivity around racism claims.

It seems all of this is coming from Cyril’s partner. She has an agenda against Hawthorn which is very sad.
Cyril could work for the club for the next 20 years and make more money in an off field role rather than going down this path.
Unless he gets a divorce I don’t think he will ever return to the club.

I can understand Cyrils missus being extremely offended by Kennetts comments.

Unfortunately for her Jeff has an iron clad defence- he's not racist, he's just a complete prick.
There is more than five decades of evidence supporting this.
In fact getting supporting witness statements would be as easy as grabbing random people off the street.

 

[Agent_99]

Exactly what I’ve been told by someone who knows the families too.

Cyril was a recluse after retiring, barely saw a soul. That’s when uncle Michael made those comments.

I also am mates with some of the team mates of when Cyril played.. can confirm that there is more to the story.

 

[ahhhhhh]

I also am mates with some of the team mates of when Cyril played.. can confirm that there is more to the story.

What else is there?

 

[Rhayader]

it’s at the fed court and people still complaining about the ABC

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

it’s at the fed court and people still complaining about the ABC

Bewildering isn’t it.

 

[eldorado]

Please tell me you didnt think this through at the time and now see how incredibly different it is?

Becsuse this is just a ridiculous analogy.

No, I thought it through.

Allegation are news...always have been.

I would have preferred the parties didn't go to the news media...but they did.

Claims that the media are liable are the ridiculous ones....

 

[HedgeFund]

Yeh, pretty sure there are laws against publishing rumours even if you say 'hey these are just allegations/rumours but...' particularly when you are a state owned and run media organisation.

I’m sure the club will brief you to run the litigation.