NO TROLLS Hawthorn Racism Review - Sensitive issues discussed. Part 3

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Link to Hawthorn Statement. - Link to ABC Sports article. - Leaked Report

Process Plan - https://resources.afl.com.au/afl/do...erms-of-Reference-and-Process-Plan-FINAL-.pdf

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[Strapping Young Lad]

He's a literal fraudster

An independent panel lead by a QC spent months and couldn't even find anything substantial

Cling on harder mate

So the players are all lying because Egan has fraud charges against him?

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

You have to be pretty special to think that Egan’s history means that the players he spoke to and have since re-told their stories are all lying.

You have to be pretty special to think that a guy with a criminal history of fraud is a trustworthy individual

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

So the players are all lying because Egan has fraud charges against him?

No

Egan is telling lies with a incomplete and fraudulent investigation.

 

[perplexed]

Why does Jackson have to address any of this?
As has been said a hundred times now the players stories were told to Jackson directly, it doesn’t matter if the Hawthorn report was written by Satan himself, the players stories and claims that Jackson’s reported are all that matter.

"While Russell Jackson’s story reports on the existence of the external review commissioned by Hawthorn, and some allegations made within it, his story was not based on that review and does not quote its contents. His reporting was based entirely on original interviews conducted with primary sources after he was alerted to this difficult and important story. "

Jackson's story is something he was fed. You can argue, as the ABC do, that is isn't based Hawthorn's report because he hadn't been leaked a copy of the report. But it clearly based on the report's contents by someone who fed him that information as well as the players to interview.

It doesn't appear that he was fed the story by a whistle blower uncovering something being buried. The AFL may have tried to bury or spin it, but they hadn't time for that. This is more akin to a politician leaking to a journalist to advance their own interests by ensuring the story comes out in a particular way. Jackson should have properly investigated these claims and those leaking them before rushing to print and naming names.

If Egan is convicted of fraud, the report and all its contents are tainted. So would be Jackson's article and its contents. The witnesses can take their claims to other authorities, but unless they do that their statements will have no value.

 

[DocSholl]

You have to be pretty special to think that Egan’s history means that the players he spoke to and have since re-told their stories are all lying.

It was a bit weird that he recommended reparations and concluded there were human rights abuses in his report given it wasn't an investigation

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

You have to be pretty special to think that a guy with a criminal history of fraud is a trustworthy individual

So the players are all lying because Egan has fraud charges against him?

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Jackson's story is something he was fed. You can argue, as the ABC do, that is isn't based Hawthorn's report because he hadn't been leaked a copy of the report. But it clearly based on the report's contents by someone who fed him that information as well as the players to interview.

So Jackson and the ABC are lying when they say that the article is not based on the Egan report?

 

[perplexed]

So Jackson and the ABC are lying when they say that the article is not based on the Egan report?

No. They are being clever with words.

 

[blackshadow]

It was a bit weird that he recommended reparations and concluded there were human rights abuses in his report given it wasn't an investigation

Wasn’t an investigation?

 

[Drought Break]

If it is pretty standard then I'm sure you'll have plenty of examples readily on hand

You have 1 already. Another one for you is Heston Russell suing ABC due to a report of an execution in Afghanistan by an ABC journalist when he wasn’t even there.

Reporting of a “vigilante “ mob of white people in Alice Springs where a meeting was held to address the rampant crime rate.

Reporting of the covid virus developing in the “wet markets” of Wuhan where it has been man made in a lab. Then bagging Sharri Markson for her reporting on it

 

[sr36]

Bloke's literally been charged with using falsified documents, getting cash through secret commissions and deceiving ppl
Yet ppl still trying to treat him with some sort of respect, as if what he jots down should be treated as gospel

oH nAh ThAt waS diFFerent

The report itself has long been irrelevant. It's the player's claims that need to be tested in any inquiry. And they still seem to be making those claims. Egan, Jackson, blah, blah, blah. They're irrelevant and weren't/aren't a part of the claims.

 

[FlyHigh18]

The report itself has long been irrelevant. It's the player's claims that need to be tested in any inquiry. And they still seem to be making those claims.

you're the only one who makes half sense here.

but i'll add to your comment and push that the alleged need to be treated as innocent until that happens. not the other way around as some on here are clinging onto.

 

[Chief]

Just as I thought you are conflating two completely separate things.

Egan did not ask the coaches for their side of the story, because that was never part of his remit.

Egan was asked to go and interview the ex-players of their experiences while at Hawthorn to get clarity around the Rioli families claims that were published in the AGE.

He did not block them. He did not make demands of them. He had nothing to do with the AFL investigation or the planned mediation sessions that the coaches refused to be a part of.

I wonder if it would sink in if we produced a Broadway show, retelling the facts in song and dance.

Even just a musical number. Bit of tap dancing.

 

[Gralin]

I wonder if it would sink in if we produced a Broadway show, retelling the facts in song and dance.

Even just a musical number. Bit of tap dancing.

I love a musical number.

 

[sr36]

you're the only one who makes half sense here.

but i'll add to your comment and push that the alleged need to be treated as innocent until that happens. not the other way around as some on here are clinging onto.

Agree. I don't think many would view Fagan and Clarko as current threats - regardless of what they did or didn't do in the past. This isn't a situation which needs a stand down without any findingsand they don't have one.

But the reality is that some will believe the player claims. Others will believe the no wrongdoing claims - that's just life. Shithouse if they're innocent, but it'd be worse for there be a situation where people can't make claims or the press can't report.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I wonder if it would sink in if we produced a Broadway show, retelling the facts in song and dance.

Even just a musical number. Bit of tap dancing.

What’s Lurhman up to?

 

[HairyO]

Russell Jackson apparently contacted Chris Fagan & Clarkson they didn't answer

"Hey Im writing a smear piece on you and will accuse you of some horrific racist things. Hit me up by tomorrow or I print without you."

 

[BigRedRoo]

I’m probably completely off here, but why doesn’t Rioli simply call them?
From my understanding, Clarkson has reached out to Cyril in the past.
If all they want is to be heard and hear Clarkson and Fagan’s truth, why does it need to be in such a formal setting?

It just doesn’t sound that simple and obviously a lot more to it. Cyril says it’s not about compensation. In my opinion, it’s without a doubt part of it.

Can I suggest that its not Cyril driving this but his partner who seems hell bent on her pound of flesh.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

This clip basically summnarises this entire thread quite well

 

[Sharaz Jek]

So Jackson and the ABC are lying when they say that the article is not based on the Egan report?

They still haven't come forward and admitted how the story was fed to them.

As with all of Rusty's claims, there is too much obfuscation to take his any of his claims seriously.

We have seen him make an idiot out of himself by failings to understand basic communication (like the Sonya Hood tweet), so it's surprising that anyone still seems impressed by him.

 

[Sharaz Jek]

I wonder if it would sink in if we produced a Broadway show, retelling the facts in song and dance.

Even just a musical number. Bit of tap dancing.

How about a play about Russell Jackson?

A tale told by an idiot, signifying nothing.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

They still haven't come forward and admitted how the story was fed to them.

As with all of Rusty's claims, there is too much obfuscation to take his any of his claims seriously.

We have seen him make an idiot out of himself by failings to understand basic communication (like the Sonya Hood tweet), so it's surprising that anyone still seems impressed by him.

If you’re waiting for the ABC or the journalist to give away their source, good luck.

 

[sr36]

They still haven't come forward and admitted how the story was fed to them.

As with all of Rusty's claims, there is too much obfuscation to take his any of his claims seriously.

We have seen him make an idiot out of himself by failings to understand basic communication (like the Sonya Hood tweet), so it's surprising that anyone still seems impressed by him.

He specialises in telling victim's stories and he has broken a heap of undisputed accepted stories. Whether or not he ****ed up on this one, he's been a really significant part of sports media over a fair few years.

 

[Gralin]

He specialises in telling victim's stories and he has broken a heap of undisputed accepted stories. Whether or not he ****ed up on this one, he's been a really important part of sports media over a fair few years.

nobody turns on a journalist faster than the one eyed supporter of a club that's suddenly shown in a negative light

 

[DocSholl]

He specialises in telling victim's stories and he has broken a heap of undisputed accepted stories. Whether or not he ****ed up on this one, he's been a really significant part of sports media over a fair few years.

Agreed. There's a massive difference between breaking historical stories and naming rwo current and high profile coaches though. You can't use the same formula.