NO TROLLS Hawthorn Racism Review - Sensitive issues discussed. Part 3

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Link to Hawthorn Statement. - Link to ABC Sports article. - Leaked Report

Process Plan - https://resources.afl.com.au/afl/do...erms-of-Reference-and-Process-Plan-FINAL-.pdf

AFL Ends Investigation - 'Imperfect resolution' as Hawks probe ends, no one charged

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[r_boy]

Two things can be simultaneously true:

• The ABC is a trustworthy and respectable news organisation
• The Russell Jackson report was rushed, flawed, and poorly handled

Is there really such a thing as a trustworthy and respectable news organisation?

Don't get me wrong I have a lot of time and respect for investigative pieces that are thoroughly conducted but you're up against it in the news climate of today to make that happen.

Then of course you have the hordes of articles on your daily news where every outlet has their oh so tiring 'interpretation' they add to it.

Most people are over it except when they want to indulge in confirmation bias.

 

[Chadwiko]

Is there really such a thing as a trustworthy and respectable news organisation?

Don't get me wrong I have a lot of time and respect for investigative pieces that are thoroughly conducted but you're up against it in the news climate of today to make that happen.

Then of course you have the hordes of articles on your daily news where every outlet has their oh so tiring 'interpretation' they add to it.

Most people are over it except when they want to indulge in confirmation bias.

That's precisely why the ABC is trustworthy, because they aren't a business that exists to turn a profit.

 

[Mitchell Madness]

That's precisely why the ABC is trustworthy, because they aren't a business that exists to turn a profit.

Abc, like all media, have an agenda. They aren't there to turn a profit, but they do sell a story to get viewers, readers, listeners, etc.
All media outlets pick a side and will intentionally use half truths, misquotes etc.

 

[MrSwannee84]

Is there really such a thing as a trustworthy and respectable news organisation?

Don't get me wrong I have a lot of time and respect for investigative pieces that are thoroughly conducted but you're up against it in the news climate of today to make that happen.

Then of course you have the hordes of articles on your daily news where every outlet has their oh so tiring 'interpretation' they add to it.

Most people are over it except when they want to indulge in confirmation bias.

Hit the nail on the head completely.

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[Chief]

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A Sky News fan?

 

[blackshadow]

A Sky News fan?

Definitely not.

I miss the days of proper independent journalism, when newsrooms had budgets and news was accurately reported and valued over the rush for a scoop or clicks. It's been a race to the bottom for most of this century.

 

[HairyO]

A Sky News fan?

The ABC can be the best news organisation in the country while also being bad. Its just that the others are worse.

I only go to ABC for news, but because its the least worst option.

 

[Chief]

you want some sort of formal denial of allegations that haven't been formally made

Yeah I don't know about that. There was a process to sort through it all. Fagan sued to stop it.

 

[Elixuh]

Yeah I don't know about that. There was a process to sort through it all. Fagan sued to stop it.

Why wouldn’t you seek an injunction to stop a process which had been ongoing for 8 months and which was never going to achieve anything? The only thing it was achieving was burning financial and emotional resources.

The complainant who made the most serious allegations reportedly refused to be involved in the AFL process.

Are you being naive intentionally?

 

[Chief]

Why wouldn’t you seek an injunction to stop a process which had been ongoing for 8 months and which was never going to achieve anything? The only thing it was achieving was burning financial and emotional resources.

The complainant who made the most serious allegations reportedly refused to be involved in the AFL process.

Are you being naive intentionally?

All that "we will tell our story" bullshit comes to nothing of course. He has nothing to gain and everything to lose from telling the truth, it's so obvious.

Allegedly.

 

[Elixuh]

All that "we will tell our story" bullshit comes to nothing of course. He has nothing to gain and everything to lose from telling the truth, it's so obvious.

Haven’t the complainants taken the matter to the HRC where this will happen? Why do you care when the stories are told?

 

[Stumpy Pete]

That's precisely why the ABC is trustworthy, because they aren't a business that exists to turn a profit.

On the flip side it could be argued that a lack of commercial ramifications allows the ABC to be loose with the truth and in some cases belligerent when they should accept valid criticism.

Regards

S. Pete

 

[Soggy2112]

On the flip side it could be argued that a lack of commercial ramifications allows the ABC to be loose with the truth and in some cases belligerent when they should accept valid criticism.

Regards

S. Pete

Except commercial ramifications largely come from the mega rich and what they want.

To use sporting examples the Australian netball team got heaps of publicity when they pissed off Gina, while Pat Cummins pisses off the coal industry and both get canned. Meanwhile the Diamonds win a World Cup and Pat wins the WTC, and it gets far less publicity.

 

[Percel]

Last week, Victoria Police announced Mr Egan had been charged with 73 offences, including obtaining financial advantage by deception, using false documents, and receiving secret commissions.

The charges relate to his time as the chief executive of the Murray Valley Aboriginal Collective – a not-for-profit organisation that provides a range of programs committed to improving health and welfare of Aboriginal people in Robinvale.

According to documents released by the court, police allege Mr Egan “secretly gained” almost $780,000 from the organisation through fraudulent invoices submitted to the Collective, on top and above the $823,000 he was paid.

 

[Dan Moody]

The ABC surveys as the most trusted news organisation in the country.

Rename your website to LeftFooty.

ABC SLAMMED over ‘illegal’ invasion of Woodside boss’ home

The ABC has refused to explain why it ignored the revelation that the private home of Woodside Energy boss Meg O’Neill had been invaded by activists on its WA bulletin despite having a film crew at the scene.

www.perthnow.com.au

 

[4Seasons]

A Sky News fan?

Wow..an issue like this and someone has gone there and used it to push their political side.

 

[Engimal v3]

Wow

The author of a much-publicised report into systematic racism at Hawthorn Football Club felt the motivation behind the 73 offences of using false documents, obtaining financial advantage by deception and receiving secret commissions was questionable.

Detectives from Victoria Police's Financial Crime Squad assert he siphoned hundreds of thousands of dollars from a Murray Valley Aboriginal Co-operative from 2010 until 2012.

Accused footy hero Phil Egan to fight serious fraud charges and 'reputation' before trial

Proud Muthi Muthi/Gunditjmarra man Phil Egan has fiercely come out to fight serious fraud charges, largely to defend his tarnished standing in the Indigenous community.In an exclusive, Mr Egan agreed ...

nit.com.au

A few red faces in here for sure

 

[kranky al]

Rename your website to LeftFooty.

ABC SLAMMED over ‘illegal’ invasion of Woodside boss’ home

The ABC has refused to explain why it ignored the revelation that the private home of Woodside Energy boss Meg O’Neill had been invaded by activists on its WA bulletin despite having a film crew at the scene.

www.perthnow.com.au

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Ok I’ll bite, the abc admits.




Part of being human is getting things wrong and admitting it.

Now wheres a headline of “sky after dark admits?”

 

[Chief]

A few red faces in here for sure

What about?

 

[tassietime]

Chris Fagan coaches a grand final team brimming with outstanding First Nations players who love him. That’s the evidence that matters. All the slander against him in this thread has dissolved.

 

[Chief]

Chris Fagan coaches a grand final team brimming with outstanding First Nations players who love him. That’s the evidence that matters. All the slander against him in this thread has dissolved.

Nobody said they all hated him. Many players have said that they didn't experience what these players and their families experienced. I believe one family who had a bad outcome said that they'd be fine with their child or partner playing under these coaches today.

 

[MacMum]

Yep. There were a couple of games through the year where the teams had to line up......Charlie Cameron stood proud right beside Fagan (where the Captain would normally stand) even had his arm over the Coach's shoulder.

If that's not making a statement I don't know what is.

Chris Fagan coaches a grand final team brimming with outstanding First Nations players who love him. That’s the evidence that matters. All the slander against him in this thread has dissolved.

 

[tassietime]

Nobody said they all hated him. Many players have said that they didn't experience what these players and their families experienced. I believe one family who had a bad outcome said that they'd be fine with their child or partner playing under these coaches today.

And yet so many here - including you I believe Chief - actively or passively joining the mob that wanted to run Chris out of the AFL. Time for some deep reflection.

 

[phantom13]

You know everytime a serial killer or serial sex offender gets found out you can find about 100 people saying “oh they seemed like such a normal person”. Hell in the last week we’ve seen a number of well known celebs come out in support of Danny Masterson (who just got convicted of rape).

To be clear I’m not comparing rape and murder to racism, just pointing out that having some referees in your corner doesn’t mean you’ve never done anything bad.

Charlie and other indigenous players being supportive of and even having love for Fagan doesn’t prove that Fagan is innocent of these past allegations (and I’m not saying he’s guilty of them either). It’s entirely possible (and even probable) that Fagan has likely said and done some racist shit in the past and now has a wonderful relationship with all of his players of all backgrounds. Perhaps he learned from his past mistakes, perhaps he’s grown and matured as a person, perhaps he just gets along better with his current group.

Weird stance that Charlie stands arm in arm with him so he couldn’t have ever been in the wrong.

 

[sr36]

Chris Fagan coaches a grand final team brimming with outstanding First Nations players who love him. That’s the evidence that matters. All the slander against him in this thread has dissolved.

One of the issues with looking at historical events is that so many want to portray individuals with a Hollywood brush as pure heroes or pure villains, which is what you're doing now. Things have changed a fair bit in terms of AFL coaching over the last decade and a half. It wouldn't be incongruent for Fagan to be a wonderful coach of Aboriginal players now, but to also have been previously part of a coaching team that wasn't wonderful in it's treatment of Aboriginal players.