How can 10 Vic teams survive?

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Kangaroos loses over 1 million,Richmond lose over half a million.Most other clubs lose money but not as much.If the AFL doesn't pump a very lot off that TV money into clubs they will die.
This is a do or die year for Kangaroos and also St.Kilda.Bulldogs will always struggle and Richmond seem to always lose money.Hawthorn make you think they are doing well but all is not too good there.No wonder they are playing a game in Tasmania.Geelong were 6 million in debt,not sure how much but will always survive because they are Victoria's only regional team.
So out of 10 teams over half are struggling to survive or look shakey.Time for relocation or merging of teams.Sooner then later for the benefit of the league and the game.
 
Originally posted by Carl:
and Richmond seem to always lose money.
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I agree with most of what you posted Carl,but this is the first time in ten years
Richmond has posted a loss.
With the new Tv rights contract it has gauranteed the survival of a 16 team competition.In what form these teams survive
is another matter.

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Originally posted by Carl:
Hawthorn make you think they are doing well but all is not too good there.No wonder they are playing a game in Tasmania.
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These games are FULLY underwritten. That means that regardless of turn-out, Hawthorn will make money from them. Add to that the fact that Melbourne based members still get 11 'home' games on their membership, and the Tasmania venture is nothing but a brilliant piece of business from Ian Dicker and co.

Why should ten teams survive in Melbourne? Because each one of them is beautiful, relevant and important in their own ways, to their own supporters and the game as a whole. To have people hovering like vultures over the heads of some Melbourne clubs, or worse, actively advocating their extinction, makes me wonder how they would feel if their club was the one being hunted.

"It'll never happen to us", I hear some people say. I said that less than ten years ago. It only takes one pathetic administration for any club, no matter how asset and/or history rich they are, to be brought to its knees.

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Seem to me the TV deal is being trotted out as a reason why clubs will survive. Of course, the various boards don't think that, as it would be most short sighted. Fact is if you're spending $100 million a year you sure as hell want some return. Non perfoming clubs will be increasingly under the pump, not coasting.
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You can see it coming. The tv rights have guaranteed the survival of all Victorian clubs for five years - until the end of season 2006. At the same time, a massive influx of money raises player payments, salary caps, etc. Come 2007, when the life lines are cut off, more than a couple of clubs are going to find the gap between revenue and expenditure unbridgeable.

It's going to be ugly.
 
Originally posted by RogerC:
You can see it coming. The tv rights have guaranteed the survival of all Victorian clubs for five years - until the end of season 2006. At the same time, a massive influx of money raises player payments, salary caps, etc. Come 2007, when the life lines are cut off, more than a couple of clubs are going to find the gap between revenue and expenditure unbridgeable.

It's going to be ugly.
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People always say stuff like this. But year after year, after year, the clubs keep surviving. Only Fizroy no longer exists (taking into account Sth.M and Sydney are the same club). So, after 104 years, only ONE club has bitten the dust. People have been saying this about the Victorian clubs since the national comp started in 1987, yet nothing changes - they keep on surviving. You don't necessarily have to make a huge profit each year, either. As long as clubs can meet their debts, that is all they have to do.
 
Its simple
They wont
Ten teams is not a viable prospect and the AFL know it.Sadly these TV rights only prolong the eventual death of at least one club.

Its not about total membership its about potential membership in the future.And that just isnt there for some melbourne clubs.
 
As i posted before the TV deal only gaurantees a 16 team comp.As the new Saints president said on the radio if the saints fail on and off field over the next few years there will still be a saints team but they could be called the Southport Saints.

Before all you saints supporters jump down my throat the pres said it,not me.Im just using it as an example.

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The Melbourne clubs will survive if the supporters get behind them and buy memberships like Essendon. Its still embedded in supporters minds that the clubs will survive in their own right without getting off thEIR ARSES AND BUYING A MEMBERSHIP TO ENSURE THIS HAPPENS.
Otherwise its bye-bye to a lot of Vic. teams.
 
How many clubs get a loan off the AFL to survive through the off season?Where were the AFL when Fitroy went under?In the end it's up to the AFL if the clubs survive.We all know they prefer a 14 team league and i also believe they want to spread the game around the country more.Kangaroos have seen the light and are heading North.I also can see a club heading South to Tasmania if they can build a decent ground down there.They deserve a team with all the players they have produced in the past.
 

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The clubs will survive - they'll just move interstate to ensure it if need be....like north melbournes foray into NSW, Hawthorn's 6th round in Tassie.

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Originally posted by Carl:
...Richmond lose over half a million.

...Richmond seem to always lose money....
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Carl,

It may surprise you to know that Richmond are still one of the more financial clubs, with absolutely no debt and cash reserves of $1.5 million.

Financially, we did have a very ordinary year, but we are a long way short of being any any financial peril.



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Why will melbourne clubs survive ?

Because they will, thats why.

One look at the Sydney Kangaroos disaster has put the relocation 'idea' on the back burner.

Other teams will play a few games in other places (essendon is one of them) to help 'grow' the code.

But melbourne is unique in it ability support many teams (and sporting events too).

I would say only Rio, Sao Paulo, Glasgow etc come close.

Once you leave that behind, it's a slippery slope.

Plus the AFL with its current philosophy might turn out to be transitory. The attitude of people to their clubs will go non and on and on.
 
I know there are alot of interstate fans having a wet dream about Glenelg, Norwood, Southport or Subiaco taking over some existing teams but you're going to have to wait a few years yet.
 
I would have thought that the long term plan would have encompassed 2 sides in NSW, 2 in QLD, one in ACT and one in Tasmania.

i should also have thought that playing each other twice in a season was a priority.

Based upon the above 16 clubs would seem to be the maximum possible unless two divisions are introduced.

16 teams would mean a reduction in Vic teams.

I cannot see 3 sides in WA or SA in the foreseeable future unless a two division AFL was introduced.
 
Plus look a the rampant mediocrity that is PtA and Freo. Even if you threw good players at them likr Brisbane they'd still be mediocre.

I think the tide is turning

Plus if eight teams have a good year on the field, eight will have a bad one. this flows through tpo finances so while some will have nominal profitd, others will have nominal losses.

They are not profit-making organisations, the natural way is to for some to profit, some to lose a little.

If you reduced the number of teams to 12, there would still be the same proportion of losses.

PS the AFL itself made a loss - do us a favour and get rid of them.
 
Everyone should fight tooth & nail to make sure that Melbourne clubs don't merge or bite the bullet, even if its not their own club that's under threat.Tradition is a great part of any sporting competition & if u start getting rid of teams & artificially creating new ones then the whole comp loses some of its appeal IMHO.Besides Melbourne is the spiritual home of the game-when I think of Aussie Rules I think of Melbourne & the suburban sides that made up the VFL.
 
Dipper
I am with you man, we have already lost 2 clubs, no more.
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Originally posted by DIPPER:
Tradition is a great part of any sporting competition & if u start getting rid of teams & artificially creating new ones then the whole comp loses some of its appeal IMHO.
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Good point Dipper
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In the NRL (Rugby League), there is now only one team in the competition that is an original club, Eatern Suburbs (now called Sydney Roosters). The next oldest, the Bulldogs, were formed in 1935. The bulk of the competition now is either clubs created over the last 20 years or newly formed mergers. Sure, the NRL competition now has 14 teams and everyone plays each other twice, but at what price?
The bulk of a 100 years of tradition have eroded in the space of 5 to 6 years, clubs like Souths are no longer and for many people that's the final straw, and they'll actively follow other sports. Souths were an establishment club which won 20 premierships and were one of the first clubs you thought of when you thought of Rugby League, losing them is like losing Collingwood or Carlton.
Everyone should actively try not to let what happened to Rugby League happen to AFL, it's the people's game, lets keep it that way.




[This message has been edited by Sydneyfan (edited 15 February 2001).]
 
I think all the Vic-based clubs are gonna survive now, but I don't think they will necessarily STAY Vic-based. The AFL wants to spread them all around the place. I personally think the league is just fine the way it is, but sadly, the AFL just doesn't see it that way.

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