Toast How can this Hawthorn side be stopped?

[Jezzitizle]

I would be surprised if Hawks can maintain the rage all through a finals campaign, it’s a long time to hold form and arousal, but definitely playing some great footy.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Hawthorn win a minimum of 13, and that’s enough to squeeze in if it goes right.

A lot of words to end up saying this and thus agreeing with what I said. IF it goes right means it may not and thus 3 wins is LIKELY enough (as I said) but may require 4 wins (as I said)... and as I showed.

 

[STPer18]

There it is, the kiss of death by OP. Sorry Hawkers, you're done now.

 

[Mitchell Madness]

Been genuinely impressed with them for weeks now. If they make the 8 would they be getting there a year early though?? Feels like a potential finals thumping at the hands of a more experienced side could do them more harm than good.

We were tipped for the spoon, with some people saying we wouldn't win a game. That would be far worse for the development of the team than a big finals loss

 

[Delisted]

You cannot stop us. We will decide if we wish to cease.

 

[hk89]

Dogs - smashings against the Suns, Eagles (after a promising start), close Geelong loss, close ish Fremantle loss and a Saints smashing into the game they lost against Hawthorn, not out of form but not in form. Went rampant after that.

Giants - Form was up and down, but a super talented side and beat Geelong in Geelong which is always hard, probably the biggest case of out of form, but not wildly bad.

Lions - Fagan said it himself, they were flying just before and after this game and it was the blip. (2 wins 1 draw before the game, 8 straight after). They were in form.

Freo - 5-1-1 before, 2-0 after the game. In form.

Collingwood - Out of form and done. But a belting against a side above on the ladder.

GWS and Carlton games are massive to see how close or how dangerous Hawthorn can be, and the difference between going in with confidence against good sides v poor, and whether it’s a sneak in job or charging for top 4.

Sorry, we'll have to agree to disagree. I think all of GWS , Dogs and Lions were in poor form when we met them.

Lions flying? They were 4-10 before losing to us, and those two wins and a draw just before playing us where against Tigers, Suns and Adelaide, all teams currently well out of the 8. Before those two wins and a draw against teams that appear to be not much chop they had won 2 out of 7, and one of those 2 was North. A smashing against the (now) bottom team on your home deck is hardly the hallmark of 'in form'. I'm not denying they hit form AFTER playing us, but their leadup form was terrible, despite smashing Richmond at the Gabba. If Brisbane's lead up to our game is your definition of "in form" then we are not going to agree on any of these.

 

[Jake98]

Chol - 17 disposals 2 goals 2 goal assists 8 score inv 8 marks (2 contested) v Crows. Has kicked almost 30 goals this year, also the number one pressure key forward and top 3 general out of all forwards.

Dear is a serious talent and if he is taken earlier he’d be talked up more, same levels of Cadman, Caddy etc

Gunston experience, Scaife a talented key forward at BH

This doesn’t include a group of probably the best small forwards in the league (Moore, MacDonald, Ginnivan, Watson, Breust).

Chol is an ok role player but that's all he is, a role player. Had a good first year for Gold Coast too, except the consistency wasn't there.

Dear is 18 years old and not making an impact in finals.

Gunston is a class below all of the Bulldogs and Carlton's forwards.

 

[PerthBoy86]

I think they lose to GWS and win the next 3, going 14 and 9.

 

[Delisted]

Chol is an ok role player but that's all he is, a role player. Had a good first year for Gold Coast too, except the consistency wasn't there.

Dear is 18 years old and not making an impact in finals.

Gunston is a class below all of the Bulldogs and Carlton's forwards.

The Chols Royce would be your best forward.

 

[Jake98]

The Chols Royce would be your best forward.

Maybe, but he wouldn't get a game at the Dogs.

 

[Moonatic77]

Lots of credit needs to go to Sam Mitchell here, got this side playing to their peak/strengths

 

[Delisted]

Maybe, but he wouldn't get a game at the Dogs.

If he was at the dogs they'd be top 2.

 

[Jake98]

If he was at the dogs they'd be top 2.

Nah, he wouldn't get a game.
Every club in the AFL would take the Dogs key forwards over Chol. It's not even close.

 

[Biggy_Boy]

If they get to finals, they'll get smashed. They've improved but they've been blessed by the fixture and getting the right sides at the right places.

Since losing to Port they've beaten 3 top 8 sides but 2 of those were in Tassie and none at the opposition's home. When they played Geelong in Geelong they got belted. They're not playing finals in Tassie, and likely if they do scrape in it'll be 8th or 7th so they'd need to travel.
Their other wins have been against bottom tier sides. Let's see how they go against GWS away and Carlton at the 'G before proclaiming them a premiership chance.

The Bulldogs have just belted two good sides, one the likely minor premier, at those teams' homes. That's scary and that's who could be a legitimate flag contender.

 

[Delisted]

Nah, he wouldn't get a game.
Every club in the AFL would take the Dogs key forwards over Chol. It's not even close.

Maybe Darcy in a few years. Chol is life.

 

[Delisted]

If they get to finals, they'll get smashed. They've improved but they've been blessed by the fixture and getting the right sides at the right places.

Since losing to Port they've beaten 3 top 8 sides but 2 of those were in Tassie and none at the opposition's home. When they played Geelong in Geelong they got belted. They're not playing finals in Tassie, and likely if they do scrape in it'll be 8th or 7th so they'd need to travel.
Their other wins have been against bottom tier sides. Let's see how they go against GWS away and Carlton at the 'G before proclaiming them a premiership chance.

The Bulldogs have just belted two good sides, one the likely minor premier, at those teams' homes. That's scary and that's who could be a legitimate flag contender.

Sounds like you hope we don't make it. Don't blame you being a cats fan and finals against Hawks etc.

 

[sexyhunk]

Geelong are the one team I wouldn't want to come up against if we make it.

Mature bodies with finals experience.

However, the confidence of this group to run all day and take the game on might be a factor on a clear day at the MCG.

Regardless, a lot still needs to go right for us to make it.

Need to knock off GWS and/or Carlton and hope for some teams above us to lose an extra game or two.

the final two games against Richmond and north pretty much guarantee a finals spot for the hawks regardless win or lose against carlton and gws.

 

[Biggy_Boy]

Sounds like you hope we don't make it. Don't blame you being a cats fan and finals against Hawks etc.

We beat you in the last one we played against you, and you haven't won a final since.

 

[Delisted]

We beat you in the last one we played against you, and you haven't won a final since.

So one from the last five. I'll take it.

 

[Bedi]

I found it funny so I laugh

But I see it interestingly. Geelong have beaten Hawthorn twice this year, one before the form rise and the second being after the bye, small break from WA after playing traffic cones on an off day in Geelong.

If it’s a final at the MCG, the main components that beat Hawthorn the second time (hardness at the contest and general control/weight of numbers) becomes harder to sustain, whereas the strength of Hawthorn is more prominent, running, linking up with high quality hands and foot skills + pressure.

The finals bye would be key for the Hawks who play a high octane brand.

No excuses, Geelong smashed us twice and were supremely the better side. But if we make it, who the hell knows if we face them come Sept. Very much 2008 vibes.

 

[Biggy_Boy]

So one from the last five. I'll take it.

2011 QF?

 

[SC_Power]

Been up for a while now, thinking that their form run will just continue automatically is an assumption in itself.

 

[Delisted]

2011 QF?

5 from 8 then in then. Inc 2 GF and 1 PF.

Been up for a while now, thinking that their form run will just continue automatically is an assumption in itself.

I don't think it's a assumption, most supporters are along for the ride and enjoying it. From a 0 and 5 start to this we have nothing to lose.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

A lot of words to end up saying this and thus agreeing with what I said. IF it goes right means it may not and thus 3 wins is LIKELY enough (as I said) but may require 4 wins (as I said)... and as I showed.

There isn’t a world where realistically 14 wins doesn’t make it. It will. We can talk theories all we want.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Sorry, we'll have to agree to disagree. I think all of GWS , Dogs and Lions were in poor form when we met them.

Lions flying? They were 4-10 before losing to us, and those two wins and a draw just before playing us where against Tigers, Suns and Adelaide, all teams currently well out of the 8. Before those two wins and a draw against teams that appear to be not much chop they had won 2 out of 7, and one of those 2 was North. A smashing against the (now) bottom team on your home deck is hardly the hallmark of 'in form'. I'm not denying they hit form AFTER playing us, but their leadup form was terrible, despite smashing Richmond at the Gabba. If Brisbane's lead up to our game is your definition of "in form" then we are not going to agree on any of these.

I quite literally described why. You’re disagreeing with nothing, Lions especially.