Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 2

[Turnover]

Raj is going to lose his fifth job because Melbourne's most liveable city tag is under pressure?

LOLSY.

All those other cities that Melbourne is competing with for that tag are also battling the same pandemic.
So it all cancels out.

The real issue is that the pandemic is exposing Melbourne's sordid underbelly of preggers Zoe from Ballarat collaborating with far-right extremists to organise protests.

Hate to be your brain.

 

[Kwality]

This country has gone more crazy than most when it comes to Covid - and it all comes down to self-obsessed, bogan Anglo Aussies who think they are "better" than the rest of the world and "world-leaders" and so enact further and further draconian measures in order to stop any sort of Covid consequence, because they can't bear to be reported in a negative way globally.

No better example than ScoMo calling out China - its going to be expensive !!

Australia's trade partnership with China may have just passed its peak, as wine exports become the latest dispute

A 12-month investigation into Australian wine exports was launched on Tuesday by China’s commerce ministry amid allegations of ‘dumping’. It comes after a similar investigation into Australian barley concluded earlier this year with the application of 80% tariffs. Other export markets to China...

www.businessinsider.com.au

 

[AM]

The voting for Matthew Guy bit?

I'd be concerned about that person getting a vote at all.

 

[Kwality]

Cheers for the response. Interesting perspective. I missed the Epstein/Andrews interaction. What was said?

Basically trying sheet home blame for the quarantine to the Feds, the Albo line. Raf kept referring to his sources, Dan noting that these people werent talking to him (a wry grin).
Its at the start of the questions & I took it from the ABC site, didnt watch it live.

 

[Kwality]

I made no such claim about the ABC and I rarely watch SBS so won't comment on any alleged political bias there.

But when you look at the media landscape in this country, it is overwhelmingly right wing as a whole. The biggest con that the Murdoch mob pull is the "but the ABC" con. The ABC's viewership pales into insignificance when compared to network and paid news options.

Perhaps people reject the ABC for content unrepresentative of most Australians.

 

[The Punter]

His tax reform was dinkum. It remains the Tax Act from the 1920s as amended & its full of holes.

Wasnt a fan of Hewson then & maybe the cost would have been more expensive than the cure ... if you didnt play the by the same rules (legalised tax avoidance not minimisation) in some businesses you were uncompetitive aka out of business where Sales Tax was effectively optional.
The bastardised GST that replaced Sales Tax was/is just another bandaid.

At least Hewson did the hard work on tax, the only one good enough to do it.

The presses/pressers, good to hear Epstein trying to give Dan a free kick, & he wasnt having any of it, good on him!

I'm reliably informed that Hewson got stumped by Willessee because there were only two people in the entire opposition who were across the entire detail of Fightback! ... and Hewson was not one of them.

 

[The Punter]

I made no such claim about the ABC and I rarely watch SBS so won't comment on any alleged political bias there.

But when you look at the media landscape in this country, it is overwhelmingly right wing as a whole. The biggest con that the Murdoch mob pull is the "but the ABC" con. The ABC's viewership pales into insignificance when compared to network and paid news options.

I'd say that most media consumed in Australia is to the right of centre, and this is primarily because people don't want to be made to feel bad about themselves when they consume news.

But there is a wide range of voices in the landscape from all across the political spectrum.

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

Perhaps people reject the ABC for content unrepresentative of most Australians.

Perhaps we are just saturated with so much right wing propaganda that people have been beaten into submission by it.

 

[Kwality]

I'm reliably informed that Hewson got stumped by Willessee because there were only two people in the entire opposition who were across the entire detail of Fightback! ... and Hewson was not one of them.

Thats certainly the folklore.
Its the tax implications I well remember, my house was on the line. It was substantial e.g getting rid of fuel excise, imagine fuel down 30%, not the daily talking points we suffer these days. certainly not to be confused with the GST of today.

We Aussies arent keen on a new tax because all we ever get is another fiddle of 1920 as amended.

 

[Kwality]

Perhaps we are just saturated with so much right wing propaganda that people have been beaten into submission by it.

Idiots like my good self might listen but most prefer it a lot lighter.

 

[Snake_Baker]

 

[Kwality]

different hair style?

 

[Snake_Baker]

different hair style?

Hair styles don't matter when you move in to obscurity.

Its over for him.

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

Hair styles don't matter when you move in to obscurity.

Its over for him.

I'm not so sure of that.

The Libs would have to come up with a credible candidate to knock him over. I don't think he'll resign, certainly not until the pandemic is over. I doubt he'll be knifed by his own party. He may walk away exhausted at some point though.

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

Wonder how this is Dans fault?

NSW police investigate alleged illegal subcontracting in Covid-19 hotel quarantine security

NSW police investigate alleged illegal subcontracting in Covid-19 hotel quarantine security

Premier defends hotel quarantine regime, saying it’s a ‘miracle’ there has not been more than one case of a guard contracting virus

www.theguardian.com

 

[tandino]

Wonder how this is Dans fault?

NSW police investigate alleged illegal subcontracting in Covid-19 hotel quarantine security

NSW police investigate alleged illegal subcontracting in Covid-19 hotel quarantine security

Premier defends hotel quarantine regime, saying it’s a ‘miracle’ there has not been more than one case of a guard contracting virus

www.theguardian.com

Who said it was Dan's fault?

 

[Number37]

Yes and politicians trying to save their careers don't lie either.

Andrews isn't trying to save his career.
Sky/Bolt/Right wingers can beat it up all they want, the simple fact remains, the overwhelming majority of Victorians approve of the job Andrews has done.

If Andrews has to fall on his sword for the failures in hotel quarantine then PM Scum-ho has to fall on his sword for the failures in aged care.
The big difference is that the Feds did bugger all to improve processes even after they were taught a lesson early in the pandemic from Newmarch House.

 

[andrewmillman]

Andrews isn't trying to save his career.
Sky/Bolt/Right wingers can beat it up all they want, the simple fact remains, the overwhelming majority of Victorians approve of the job Andrews has done.

If Andrews has to fall on his sword for the failures in hotel quarantine then PM Scum-ho has to fall on his sword for the failures in aged care.
The big difference is that the Feds did bugger all to improve processes even after they were taught a lesson early in the pandemic from Newmarch House.

From last week:
" The premier’s approval rating is now down to 49%. "

Essential poll: Victorians overwhelmingly support harsh restrictions to curb Covid second wave

Almost three-quarters back Daniel Andrews’ public health measures, but premier’s approval rating stagnates while Morrison’s is buoyed

www.theguardian.com

 

[Number37]

From last week:
" The premier’s approval rating is now down to 49%. "

Essential poll: Victorians overwhelmingly support harsh restrictions to curb Covid second wave

Almost three-quarters back Daniel Andrews’ public health measures, but premier’s approval rating stagnates while Morrison’s is buoyed

www.theguardian.com

So 75% approve of what he has done.
Thanks for confirming.

If people wanted him gone his approval would be <20%.
49% is huge for a politician who has faced the heat he has.
Watch it sky-rocket once Stage4 does it's job.

He can afford a dip in ratings because there is a moron as opposition leader.

 

[andrewmillman]

So 75% approve of what he has done.
Thanks for confirming.

If people wanted him gone his approval would be <20%.
49% is huge for a politician who has faced the heat he has.
Watch it sky-rocket once Stage4 does it's job.

He can afford a dip in ratings because there is a moron as opposition leader.

75% approve of the measures taken to rectify the self inflicted, hotel quarantine induced second wave yes.

 

[Number37]

75% approve of the measures taken to rectify the self inflicted, hotel quarantine induced second wave yes.

Yep, and when Stage4 is finished they're not suddenly going to want to sack him.
+ the more we learn about hotel quarantine the more we can see that it wasn't some communist dictator Andrews plot. Shit happens.

 

[medusala]

What a nonsense argument. I don't complain about paying for the schools that my non-existent kids will never go to.

If you don't understand the important role that the ABC and SBS play in society then you are either ignorant or stupid.

Take your pick.

The SBS clearly doesnt play an important role in society. If the ABC is so wonderful how can there be a need for another publicly funded broadcaster?

Only possible reason is to pander to certain voters. If the Liberals had an ounce of decency they would scrap it but they dont, they are pathetic.

Yep, and when Stage4 is finished they're not suddenly going to want to sack him.
+ the more we learn about hotel quarantine the more we can see that it wasn't some communist dictator Andrews plot. sh*t happens.

He is too thick to hatch a cunning plot. It was just virtue signalling stupidity re selection of security companies.

 

[medusala]

There is something deeply wrong with Victoria and most Victorians.

Essential poll: Victorians overwhelmingly support harsh restrictions to curb Covid second wave

Almost three-quarters back Daniel Andrews’ public health measures, but premier’s approval rating stagnates while Morrison’s is buoyed

www.theguardian.com

New research shows 72% of the sample backs the decision of the Andrews government to impose a curfew between 8pm and 5am, 71% supports curbs on leaving the house, while 70% endorse restrictions on business and the requirement that people travel no further than 5km from their house. Voters aged over 34 are more likely to support the current lockdown measures than younger people.

 

[Bradesmaen]

I would give Dan Andrews 100/10 for triggering card carrying Liberals and their hypocrisy, isn't that right medusala

 

[Demontim275]

There is something deeply wrong with Victoria and most Victorians.

Essential poll: Victorians overwhelmingly support harsh restrictions to curb Covid second wave

Almost three-quarters back Daniel Andrews’ public health measures, but premier’s approval rating stagnates while Morrison’s is buoyed

www.theguardian.com

New research shows 72% of the sample backs the decision of the Andrews government to impose a curfew between 8pm and 5am, 71% supports curbs on leaving the house, while 70% endorse restrictions on business and the requirement that people travel no further than 5km from their house. Voters aged over 34 are more likely to support the current lockdown measures than younger people.

I know you won’t, but maybe just maybe, it’s not everyone else who is wrong, and you need to look at your own shitty opinion.

 

[Cooldude]

I know you won’t, but maybe just maybe, it’s not everyone else who is wrong, and you need to look at your own shitty opinion.

Yes, there's something deeply wrong with a society where people want to make sacrifices to help and save one another

Sociopath logic of right wingers

I guess Japan and Taiwan live in tyrannical societies since all citizens made collective sacrifices to contain the virus, and they mostly succeeded