Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 4

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Vic - How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 5

Continued From Part 4: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/how-would-you-rate-daniel-andrews-performance-as-victorian-premier-part-4.1257360/

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[imadodgyumpire]

Now some Victorians tried to sneak into NZ to attend a funeral. Again broke 5km rule to leave Melbourne, broke the NSW rules, and made a false declaration at customs.

Fmd

As a citizen of Victoria, I don't have a problem with them.

I am quite alarmed at your reaction to it, and to those cracking the shits at the people who went to Cairns.

Vic govt imposing rules they cannot enforce. Those people that went to NZ exposed the weaknesses of both Vic/NSW govt.

 

[Doss]

Could we set up a quarantine facility in the House of Reps?

Sure. We'll relegate the actual members of parliament to the middle of Lake Burley Griffin.

 

[Brad Goodman]

As a citizen of Victoria, I don't have a problem with them.

I am quite alarmed at your reaction to it, and to those cracking the shits at the people who went to Cairns.

Vic govt imposing rules they cannot enforce. Those people that went to NZ exposed the weaknesses of both Vic/NSW govt.

Lamenting the inherent selfishness of the human race is hardly cause for alarm.

 

[imadodgyumpire]

Lamenting the inherent selfishness of the human race is hardly cause for alarm.

Going to a funeral isn't selfish.

 

[Brad Goodman]

Going to a funeral isn't selfish.

It kinda is, the corpse doesn’t know you’re there.

 

[imadodgyumpire]

It just highlights that the Vic/NSW govt can't enforce its own rules and procedures. They dream up these rules and then put the onus on the individual or someone along the chain in a position of weakness.

It's similar to the idiotic QR code nonsense. All they've done is put young women I've seen (shop staff and "security") in an awkward position.

 

[imadodgyumpire]

On another note. Having seen him on the news during parliament, Martin Pakula looks like absolute dogshit. I was shocked to see how crap he looks

He makes Hutchy look like a prime Trevor Hendy.

Dare I say he's got more pertinent, personal issues to worry about than catching the virus or Carlton.

 

[Rob R]

Could we set up a quarantine facility in the House of Reps?

They would probably harrass the virus.

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[Ned_Flanders]

As a citizen of Victoria, I don't have a problem with them.

I am quite alarmed at your reaction to it, and to those cracking the shits at the people who went to Cairns.

Vic govt imposing rules they cannot enforce. Those people that went to NZ exposed the weaknesses of both Vic/NSW govt.

They broke NZ law and made a false declaration in NZ. Just because you disagree with Vic law doesn't give you the right to ignore NZ law.

 

[Evolved1]

Lamenting the inherent selfishness of the human race is hardly cause for alarm.

Why lament the obvious? Are you different?

 

[Number37]

Did we manage to get to truth of the matter vis-a-vis Dictator Dan and why he is so awesome that it triggers people into all kinds of conspiratorial bullshit?

I don't want to read 40 pages of whataboutmeitisntfair.

 

[Evolved1]

Did we manage to get to truth of the matter vis-a-vis Dictator Dan and why he is so awesome that it triggers people into all kinds of conspiratorial bullshit?

I don't want to read 40 pages of whataboutmeitisntfair.

Dubya was so awesome that people pinned the twin towers attacks on his government. Dan can only dream of being that awesome.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Dubya was so awesome that people pinned the twin towers attacks on his government. Dan can only dream of being that awesome.

Nah, that wasn't because of dubya, that was the Jews remember

 

[Gavin Excell]

On another note. Having seen him on the news during parliament, Martin Pakula looks like absolute dogshit. I was shocked to see how crap he looks

He makes Hutchy look like a prime Trevor Hendy.

Dare I say he's got more pertinent, personal issues to worry about than catching the virus or Carlton.

I saw him at Warrnambool races in May. Seemed ok

 

[Ned_Flanders]

 

[Magnum27]

Today's No , very good, i'm going to take a break from this for a while, mentally it's not helping me, struggling a little bit, and need to get some sanity back in my life.

 

[Brad Goodman]

Today's No , very good, i'm going to take a break from this for a while, mentally it's not helping me, struggling a little bit.

Probably a wise move, we all discuss this way more than we really should seeing as we have virtually no control over any of it.

 

[FIGJAM]

Today's No , very good, i'm going to take a break from this for a while, mentally it's not helping me, struggling a little bit, and need to get some sanity back in my life.

Sorry to hear that mate! Hope you're feeling better soon.

Merlino and Sutton should be backflipping on the backflip today. Unnecessary outdoor mask wearing doesn't help anyone's well-being.

 

[Saint]

Bullshit it stops transmission outside if you are socially distanced.

Absolute and utter bullshit. I have supported this government through this. Until right now. Their messaging is all over the place, inconsistent and without any scientific basis whatsoever. They were asked three times today what the evidence is and they simply could not provide it.

If they genuinely believed this crap then they wouldn't allow our cafes and restaurants to trade. If they are prepared to let 50 people sit inside without masks and have coffee, QR codes or otherwise there is no reason to force mask wearing outside. This is a law for the sake of driving compliance. And whilst I am politically aligned to Labor I refuse to support any rule, implemented by any Party that is designed for the specific purpose to drive compliance yet is not supported by data.

A good walk is one of the joys of life but given I sweat a bit I am not going to be uncomfortable because the Government decides that they want to make a point. I will be going to the park on the weekend. I will be socially distanced but I will not be wearing a mask. The police are welcome to find me and fine me. I simply do not care what this government (that I voted for) says anymore. When they provide evidence that a walk in the park by myself can result in transmission of disease because I do not have my face covered I will revisit my position.

I will continue to wear masks in all indoor settings as common sense dictates.

Any rule that is superfluous to what is required is unnecessary and immoral.

I'll try to explain more succinctly.

There's a benefit to Cafe's (or any other business) being open, but a MODERATE risk of transmission. The mitigation for that is everybody checks in and if there's a case, they'll all have to isolate for 14 days, to stop the spread. They'll be able to quickly ringfence everyone.

The imposition of wearing a mask outside (when around other people, as all laws are - don't tell me you've never walked on a red man when there's no cars around) is minimal. And the risk of transmission is LOW outside, but there's no way to mitigate or contain a spread if a person walked down Bourke Street (or any other main street) sneezing (even 2m away from everyone) and nobody's wearing masks, big outbreak, no chance of ring-fencing. So the masks are the mitigation. They take the transmission likelihood down from let's say 0.1% to 0.001%.

Gyms are a HIGH risk of transmission, exertion, inconsistent ventilation, it's a virus' dream. So even if you contact traced, the high rate of transmission probably undoes any contact tracing efforts and it would be a significant outbreak with lots of transmissions (i.e. Avalon in NSW last year).

 

[MightyTiger]

I'll try to explain more succinctly.

There's a benefit to Cafe's (or any other business) being open, but a MODERATE risk of transmission. The mitigation for that is everybody checks in and if there's a case, they'll all have to isolate for 14 days, to stop the spread. They'll be able to quickly ringfence everyone.

The imposition of wearing a mask outside (when around other people, as all laws are - don't tell me you've never walked on a red man when there's no cars around) is minimal. And the risk of transmission is LOW outside, but there's no way to mitigate or contain a spread if a person walked down Bourke Street (or any other main street) sneezing (even 2m away from everyone) and nobody's wearing masks, big outbreak, no chance of ring-fencing. So the masks are the mitigation. They take the transmission likelihood down from let's say 0.1% to 0.001%.

Gyms are a HIGH risk of transmission, exertion, inconsistent ventilation, it's a virus' dream. So even if you contact traced, the high rate of transmission probably undoes any contact tracing efforts and it would be a significant outbreak with lots of transmissions (i.e. Avalon in NSW last year).

Literally not been one outbreak or case of someone contracting the virus at a gym, but yeah it's a high risk place.

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[The Cryptkeeper]

I'll try to explain more succinctly.

There's a benefit to Cafe's (or any other business) being open, but a MODERATE risk of transmission. The mitigation for that is everybody checks in and if there's a case, they'll all have to isolate for 14 days, to stop the spread. They'll be able to quickly ringfence everyone.

The imposition of wearing a mask outside (when around other people, as all laws are - don't tell me you've never walked on a red man when there's no cars around) is minimal. And the risk of transmission is LOW outside, but there's no way to mitigate or contain a spread if a person walked down Bourke Street (or any other main street) sneezing (even 2m away from everyone) and nobody's wearing masks, big outbreak, no chance of ring-fencing. So the masks are the mitigation. They take the transmission likelihood down from let's say 0.1% to 0.001%.

Gyms are a HIGH risk of transmission, exertion, inconsistent ventilation, it's a virus' dream. So even if you contact traced, the high rate of transmission probably undoes any contact tracing efforts and it would be a significant outbreak with lots of transmissions (i.e. Avalon in NSW last year).

Yes, I'll relay this to my wife who loves being outdoors but is mentally shot by this and now refuses to go outside if she has to wear a mask. I'm sure it will help.

Now I will explain it to you more succinctly. Saying it is small price to pay completely disregards all of the other burdens placed on a mentally fatigued public. If there is no need for a law then the law should simply not be there. We have very few freedoms as it is and any freedom that is taken, no matter how minor you think it is is immoral if there is no scientific or data driven reason for it being taken. People are giving up almost everything as it is and are entitled to cling on to any small bit of relief as long as it poses no danger to the public.

There is not one reputable scientific piece of work in existence that states that mask wearing outside when socially distanced (as in, in a park, not walking down Bourke St) provides any benefit at all. Therefore, by any ethical standard that rule is draconian.

I never mentioned gyms and everything else in your post is irrelevant.

 

[SnakeMan86]

Yes, I'll relay this to my wife who loves being outdoors but is mentally shot by this and now refuses to go outside if she has to wear a mask. I'm sure it will help.

Now I will explain it to you more succinctly. Saying it is small price to pay completely disregards all of the other burdens placed on a mentally fatigued public. If there is no need for a law then the law should simply not be there. We have very few freedoms as it is and any freedom that is taken, no matter how minor you think it is is immoral if there is no scientific or data driven reason for it being there. People are giving up almost everything as it is and are entitled to cling on to any small bit of relief as long as it poses no danger to the public.

There is not one reputable scientific piece of work in existence that states that mask wearing outside when socially distanced (as in, in a park, not walking down Bourke St) provides any benefit at all. Therefore, by any ethical standard that rule is draconian.

I never mentioned gyms and everything else in your post is irrelevant.

Refusing to walk outside because you have to wear a mask is a total cop out and simply being used as an excuse to not go out.

Not trying to seem like a smart arse, but If popping some cloth over your face is such a strain on your mental health, or prohibiting you from benefiting from the benefits of walking outside, then its probably time to seek out some professional help to deal with ongoing mental health concerns.

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

Refusing to walk outside because you have to wear a mask is a total cop out and simply being used as an excuse to not go out.

Not trying to seem like a smart arse, but If popping some cloth over your face is such a strain on your mental health, or prohibiting you from benefiting from the benefits of walking outside, then its probably time to seek out some professional help to deal with ongoing mental health concerns.

Jog on idiot.

My wife walks 10-15km every day. She won't go out because she finds wearing a mask uncomfortable. As do I.

Politely GAGF, you have no idea what other people go through.

 

[Saint]

Jog on idiot.

My wife walks 10-15km every day. She won't go out because she finds wearing a mask uncomfortable. As do I.

Politely GAGF, you have no idea what other people go through.

I would seriously recommend looking at better masks. Or go somewhere in your 25km where there are no other people. You can walk around the Dandenongs for hours and only see 2-3 other groups and out of courtesy, most groups stick their masks on when they get within about 50m of each other, pass and say hello, then take your mask off again.

 

[imadodgyumpire]

They broke NZ law and made a false declaration in NZ. Just because you disagree with Vic law doesn't give you the right to ignore NZ law.

This Just means the NZ authorities have to review their procedures.

There are these rules in Vic, they can't enforce them, people "break" them, and they're used as examples.

Who's to verify this scenario is legit or wasn't allowed to happen?

Have you considered that maybe the relevant authorities knew of this couple breaking the rules and let it happen, similar to how customs know of a drug mule but let them board a plane and then let the police of the destination the mule is going to of them?