Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 4

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This thread is Continued in Part 5:

Vic - How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 5

Continued From Part 4: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/how-would-you-rate-daniel-andrews-performance-as-victorian-premier-part-4.1257360/

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[The Cryptkeeper]

No, because you checked into the cafe. So if you test positive, they can quickly trace all those people you shared your lunch with.

If they have to trace everyone you walked past in suburban areas on your way to the cafe that would be impossible. COVIDSafe App doesn't work, you see.

Funny, they keep saying it’s about stopping transmission.

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

They should just come out and show the scientific data regarding mask wearing when outside.

Then idiots like me would stop questioning it.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

we also saw in QLD how they had to furlough large numbers of staff at Princess alexandra hospital once staff get infected. So that cripples functioning of the hospital. Locally we had the same issue in our ED during the first wave - we effectively put the regular ED staff into quarantine furlough, had inpatient doctors trying to be ED doctors with guidance from the few consultants who weren't affected, and had to divert ambulances away from us (100 - 110 ambulances per day- can say that the neighbouring hospitals really felt the impact)

Brisbane hospital at centre of COVID-19 outbreak placed into lockdown as clusters grow (sbs.com.au)

That was back in March, they seem to have got over that, haven't heard anything more (unless I've missed it).

 

[dwwaino]

Just while everyone is patting themselves on the back for stomping out this "beast", my mate who is an undertaker just messaged before to say he's up to collecting 13 suicides this week including an old high school buddy. As long as no one dies from covid though, go team.

 

[Magnum27]

nurses are not there to "deal" with violence.

also what do you think security does at HQ? they watch doors and make sure noone enters certain areas

heres a big tip. the private security at the courts, dirving prisoners around, manning embassies, at universities, at prisons, and at hospitals - they come from the same labour pool from the same private contractors.

and these are the same guys providing the same service for offshore detention and HQ

nurses deal with violence, fu** me...

Where did i say nurses deal with Violence ?

 

[Magnum27]

Is that only if you were there during that half hour, or since then?

that time

 

[adogsfan5]

Just while everyone is patting themselves on the back for stomping out this "beast", my mate who is an undertaker just messaged before to say he's up to collecting 13 suicides this week including an old high school buddy. As long as no one dies from covid though, go team.

Thats really sad mate sorry to hear.
Yep - the experts are completely ignoring the other issues at hand and that’s in children too.
Let’s save Covid lives... but kill people to mental health.
Makes sense..

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Where did i say nurses deal with Violence ?

"the hospital staff will be responsible for dealing with the patients at all times". they dont. a nurses job is not to restrain a violent ED case

 

[Biggy_Boy]

It's a mask. Hardly worth whinging about.

Wearing masks outside has never made any sense and it's not going to do anything to stop any potential spread.

 

[Deliverance]

Wearing masks outside has never made any sense and it's not going to do anything to stop any potential spread.

And shit messaging undermines all other lockdown measures.

 

[Magnum27]

"the hospital staff will be responsible for dealing with the patients at all times". they dont. a nurses job is not to restrain a violent ED case

As i'm hopeless with the multi quote function below is what i said, pretty sure that states that security guards step in violence escalates, never said nurse have to deal with it, but that's fine pick what you want out of response to try and prove a point.




You have to be ******* kidding me, security guards do nothing more than man the doors at hospitals and offer directions and step in if needed if violence escalates, given that this will be a specialist ward only for Covid they will do nothing more than stand at the door and make sure no one does a runner, which from what i can gather has not occurred here in Melbourne at any time, as people have accepted their fate coming back that they have to quarantine. the hospital staff will be responsible for dealing with the patients at all times.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

As i'm hopeless with the multi quote function below is what i said, pretty sure that states that security guards step in violence escalates, never said nurse have to deal with it, but that's fine pick what you want out of response to try and prove a point.




You have to be ******* kidding me, security guards do nothing more than man the doors at hospitals and offer directions and step in if needed if violence escalates, given that this will be a specialist ward only for Covid they will do nothing more than stand at the door and make sure no one does a runner, which from what i can gather has not occurred here in Melbourne at any time, as people have accepted their fate coming back that they have to quarantine. the hospital staff will be responsible for dealing with the patients at all times.

Then that contradicts your view they just watch doors. As I mentioned from the start, risk management measures are not based upon the day to day, but the foreseeable hazard scenarios.

I can guarantee hospital security is trained more on managing meth freaks, domestics, and people coming at you with a syringe than they are how to watch a door.

Again, for the forth time - the companies that provide this security also are the security at an airport, a court, a university, or an embassy. It's the same companies.

 

[Hornberger]

Just while everyone is patting themselves on the back for stomping out this "beast", my mate who is an undertaker just messaged before to say he's up to collecting 13 suicides this week including an old high school buddy. As long as no one dies from covid though, go team.

Are you lying or is your mate lying and you just very gullible? Because that story is absolute bullshit.

 

[dwwaino]

Are you lying or is your mate lying and you just very gullible? Because that story is absolute bullshit.

Why would I be lying? He collects bodies for a living. People die all the time.

He left his last job as an undertaker because they did too many suicides and it started to affect him. He got into other work but lost that right at the start of covid last year so went back to what he knew and with his current employer he'd usually only be picking up maybe two or three suicides a fortnight. He has been mainly doing old folks homes and general hospital morgue pickups and transfers.

 

[Millky95]

Just wear the ****ing mask. It's cold anyway

 

[chelseacarlton]

Just while everyone is patting themselves on the back for stomping out this "beast", my mate who is an undertaker just messaged before to say he's up to collecting 13 suicides this week including an old high school buddy. As long as no one dies from covid though, go team.

Evidence required here…….

 

[Hornberger]

Why would I be lying? He collects bodies for a living. People die all the time.

He left his last job as an undertaker because they did too many suicides and it started to affect him. He got into other work but lost that right at the start of covid last year so went back to what he knew and with his current employer he'd usually only be picking up maybe two or three suicides a fortnight. He has been mainly doing old folks homes and general hospital morgue pickups and transfers.

Because your story is unbelievable.

From the Coroners' suicide report for April (the June report will be published in July). Victoria average 60 suicides a month, which basically not changed in the last 4 years, including during both lock downs in 2020. This is about 15 per week in the entire state, about 10 per week in Melbourne.

https://www.coronerscourt.vic.gov.au/sites/default/files/2021-05/Coroners%20Court%20Monthly%20Suicide%20Data%20Report%20-%20April%202021.pdf

I have not seen any evidence that lock downs, in Australia or anywhere else in the world, has resulted in material increase in the number of suicides.

And you want people to believe that your mate, a single undertaker, has personally dealt with 13 suicides in a week?

 

[chunkylover53]

Just wear the ******* mask. It's cold anyway

You know, you can wear the mask but ask why before doing so. Or is that not allowed anymore?

 

[Crankyhawk]

That was back in March, they seem to have got over that, haven't heard anything more (unless I've missed it).

They haven’t had many cases since then have they?

 

[Millky95]

You know, you can wear the mask but ask why before doing so. Or is that not allowed anymore?

We have been doing this for over a year. Surely people aren't still skeptical about this?



Can't socially distance, wear a mask. Blanket wearing mask out rule easier to enforce.

Why do I suspect the same campaigners thinking mask wearing is a rights infringement are the same nutters worried about their identity being found on CCV and tape over their webcams on their laptops...

 

[dwwaino]

Because your story is unbelievable.

From the Coroners' suicide report for April (the June report will be published in July). Victoria average 60 suicides a month, which basically not changed in the last 4 years, including during both lock downs in 2020. This is about 15 per week in the entire state, about 10 per week in Melbourne.

https://www.coronerscourt.vic.gov.au/sites/default/files/2021-05/Coroners%20Court%20Monthly%20Suicide%20Data%20Report%20-%20April%202021.pdf

I have not seen any evidence that lock downs, in Australia or anywhere else in the world, has resulted in material increase in the number of suicides.

And you want people to believe that your mate, a single undertaker, has personally dealt with 13 suicides in a week?

I don't really care what anyone else picks and chooses they want to believe . There is a lag on what he picks up. He does some home pickups but most often from morgues that have been there a while. So that 13 he picked up this week is likely from over the past two weeks combined. He usually only picks up a few a fortnight, but with a massive uptick this week it doesn't take a genius to connect the dots. You're inclined to believe whatever you want though as I'm really not interested in arguing the point. I'm just adding another anecdote to the thread and really not seeking a peer review.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

They haven’t had many cases since then have they?

Queensland has been taking sick people from PNG since round about then, which has led to a higher number of cases in hospital. One man died.

 

[tandino]

New exposure sites, all in my hood, i have been to all those places, not recently though.


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Missed it by exactly 24 hours. Good to get a little luck.

 

[Magnum27]

Then that contradicts your view they just watch doors. As I mentioned from the start, risk management measures are not based upon the day to day, but the foreseeable hazard scenarios.

I can guarantee hospital security is trained more on managing meth freaks, domestics, and people coming at you with a syringe than they are how to watch a door.

Again, for the forth time - the companies that provide this security also are the security at an airport, a court, a university, or an embassy. It's the same companies.

So you reckon they are going to kick off in the covid wards, comparing a covid ward against a drug fuelled idiot in ED is nowhere near the same, strange you would compare the two but fair enough.

In the covid wards they will be door watches unless someone loses it, nobody from i can remember has done a runner from any of our hotel quarantine sites that i can remember, i'm happy to be shown otherwise.

 

[Magnum27]

Missed it by exactly 24 hours. Good to get a little luck.

I've been to all those places at some time, lucky for me i was at work whilst all these occurred.