Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier?

[11kgm]

Play local sport with a guy high up in the SES. In charge of South West Vic and Otways. Same happened there he says.

Fire prevention measure cutbacks and funding shortfalls.

They had 40 workers down to 5 this summer, they were bleeding for money and look half the state is on fire really sickening

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

It’s a big concern if Andrews own supporters think he is so incompetent he needs Scotty to save the state when faced with a mild bushfire threat.

But hey if they want the Feds to run the state, maybe Scotty can decide on appropriate punishments for all those involved in the current scandal and take action against the Andrews government.

If they can’t be trusted during bushfire season, they can’t be trusted to do anything right

Does a bushfire stop at the border?

Of course there is federal responsibility there.

Mild bushfire threat? What planet do you live on?

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

Laughing my arse off at all the twisted panties in here.

You'd have to be pretty stupid and entirely ignorant to think this will be the end of Andrews.

 

[Navyblues09]

Does a bushfire stop at the border?

Of course there is federal responsibility there.

Mild bushfire threat? What planet do you live on?

I live in reality, not the fantasy world where every fire is the worst ever and climate change has made every fire unstoppable.

When ScoMo went on holidays, after a number of visits to the fire affect regions of NSW and QLD, the fire threat in Victoria was mild. Our worst Fire didn’t take off until NYE.

Given this is the Dan Andrews thread, we’ll talk Victoria and Victoria’s Fire threat was not a major issue at the time of ScoMos holiday.

Sure fires don’t stop at the border, you’ll have to ask the Victorian state government why there is communication issues between different state fire services. But Scott Morrison could not have done anything to fix that if he was in the country instead of on a well earned holiday.

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

I live in reality, not the fantasy world where every fire is the worst ever and climate change has made every fire unstoppable.

When ScoMo went on holidays, after a number of visits to the fire affect regions of NSW and QLD, the fire threat in Victoria was mild. Our worst Fire didn’t take off until NYE.

Given this is the Dan Andrews thread, we’ll talk Victoria and Victoria’s Fire threat was not a major issue at the time of ScoMos holiday.

Sure fires don’t stop at the border, you’ll have to ask the Victorian state government why there is communication issues between different state fire services. But Scott Morrison could not have done anything to fix that if he was in the country instead of on a well earned holiday.

So the recent bushfires were "mild" were they?

 

[Caesar]

You'd have to be pretty stupid and entirely ignorant to think this will be the end of Andrews.

Whilst I appreciate the popularity and personal cachet of Andrews, and have no doubt his is not embroiled in any of this stuff, I think these sorts of comments fundamentally ignore the wider context of the factional realignment that is currently taking place in Victorian Labor. If you are not sure what I am talking about, this series of articles by Guy Rundle from a couple of years ago is worth a read.

What we have seen over the last couple of days has been in the offing for a long time. The stability pacts are breaking down and it seems quite likely that the leadership of Andrews' Socialist Left faction will prove unsustainable, regardless of his personal merits. I may be wrong but I think at some point there will be a new stability pact with a new Premier, unsullied by association with this particular era.

Whether the federal takeover staves that off until after the next state election will be the key issue. Without it, I couldn’t see him surviving - which is no doubt why Andrews was so prompt to make the handover.

 

[Navyblues09]

So the recent bushfires were "mild" were they?

At the time, yes they were and given the complaint is about Morrison taking a holiday before Christmas when things weren’t an issue in Victoria then that’s when I’m referring to.

Now if you wanted Morrison to take control of the NSW Fire services and that’s the complaint then take it to the NSW or Morrison threads.

 

[Gough]

At least it's nice to see a political party take action against members who are found to have sinned. If Somyurek had been a government MP, Morrison would have dismissed this out of hand as gossip or a "Canberra bubble issue" and promoted him. Refer the career of Stuart Robert.

 

[Caesar]

At least it's nice to see a political party take action against members who are found to have sinned. If Somyurek had been a government MP, Morrison would have dismissed this out of hand as gossip or a "Canberra bubble issue" and promoted him. Refer the career of Stuart Robert.

This isn’t really about Somyurek.

 

[Pessimistic]

At least it's nice to see a political party take action against members who are found to have sinned. If Somyurek had been a government MP, Morrison would have dismissed this out of hand as gossip or a "Canberra bubble issue" and promoted him. Refer the career of Stuart Robert.

He'd be made minister for Health or Education

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

At the time, yes they were and given the complaint is about Morrison taking a holiday before Christmas when things weren’t an issue in Victoria then that’s when I’m referring to.

Now if you wanted Morrison to take control of the NSW Fire services and that’s the complaint then take it to the NSW or Morrison threads.

Bs, his country was on fire and he snuck out to Hawaii...complete misjudgment and he knew it.

 

[Frank Bunn]

No, it is a great list, I could add a few more:

You could add the sell out of the CFA for his unionised mates in the metropolitan fire brigades. Then Dan doesn't care if Victoria regions get burnt out because its fits the narrative of climate change.

Politicalisation of the judiciary and police force as judged by the handling of the Cardinal Pell case, which needed the High Court to step in a margin of 7 to nil over-turn the political show trial.

The politicalisation of the bureaucracy, as demonstrated by the tweeting of Victoria's Deputy Chief Health Officer, Annaliese van Diemen, but napping when the Cedar Meats outbreak despite the warning signs of a cluster infection.

It is an administration that has effectively achieved nothing despite running a one billion budget deficit in 2019. He can probably thank the left media for giving him an armchair ride.

Andrews will ultimately go down as one of the few Premiers to have left the State in a worse position then what he inherited.

My list got so long I had to break it into sections.

Rorts

• Adem Somyurek scandal. Allowing a power broker to determine MP selection and allegedly use taxpayer funds to engage in party political branch stacking activities.
• Redshirts scandal. Misuse of taxpayer-funded electorate officers during the 2014 election campaign. Labor MPs refused to cooperate with the police investigation.
• Cesar Melham was found to have breached the Fair Work Act over a five-year period while he was Victorian secretary of the AWU. He directed the set-up of a company to raise funds for union electioneering and other political purposes, and was involved with the union artificially inflating its membership numbers by arranging for companies to pay for fake party memberships. He lost his role as Labor Chef Whip but is still an upper house MP.
• Ombudsman and IBAC commissioner Robert Redlich, QC, slammed Andrews for using Victorian taxpayers' money to campaign for Bill Shorten in the 2019 Federal election.

Infrastructure

• Signed up to China’s Belt and Road, against our national policy.
• Supported high immigration levels at COAG resulting in Melbourne’s road network grinding to a standstill and the public transport system becoming massively overcrowded.
• Westgate tunnel delays.
• New metro trains way behind schedule due to extensive refits required.
• Vline debacle where Geelong trains were cancelled for six months, and still run at snail's pace into Melbourne despite hundreds of millions being spent on a new route.
• The CFA crisis. Emergency Services Minister Jane Garrett resigned, maintaining that the deal with the UFU was not acceptable.
• Failure to carry out controlled burns as recommended by the 2009 Victorian Bushfires Royal Commission.
• Setting up Infrastructure Victoria as an apolitical body to make long term proposals for transport - then disregarding their advice on the proposed orbital rail loop.

Coronavirus

• Arbitrary application of extreme rules restricting basic civil freedoms - such as fining individuals $1,652 for fishing, playing golf or taking your child on a driving lesson - but a protest of 30,000 people was allowed to go ahead. Horse racing continued.
• Cedar Meats **** up. The first case linked to the abattoir was diagnosed on April 2, but the company was not told of this until April 25. Subsequently over 100 people were infected.
• Andrews decided on behalf of all small café businesses that 10 customers was not a viable number to be open.
• Lifting restrictions two days after Mother’s Day.

Policing

• Failure to control increased violent youth crime.
• Sending invoices with large fees for police time to organisers of public meetings - when the police presence was only required due to the violent protests against those meetings.

Miscellaneous

• Large increases in the public sector wage bill when private sector wages have stagnated.
• Andrews taking a 11.8% salary increase, making him the highest paid state leader in the country with a total income of $441,000 a year.
• Cabinet minister Marlene Kairouz advising people – ‘If anybody knocks on your door that has an Irish accent, automatically ask them to leave’.
• The Myki data privacy breach.

 

[Hoops]

It's both sides of the fence champ, but at least one side actually takes action and boots people when it happens. Andrews refers this to IBAC, meanwhile Scomo shuts down mere discussion of a national ICAC.

Canberra Bubble mate

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

At the time, yes they were and given the complaint is about Morrison taking a holiday before Christmas when things weren’t an issue in Victoria then that’s when I’m referring to.

Now if you wanted Morrison to take control of the NSW Fire services and that’s the complaint then take it to the NSW or Morrison threads.

You are the one that started talking about bushfires mate. Telling me to take it to another thread is laughable.

 

[Hoops]

To do anything but immediately fire someone in that situation would be disastrous.

The federal government disagrees

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

Whilst I appreciate the popularity and personal cachet of Andrews, and have no doubt his is not embroiled in any of this stuff, I think these sorts of comments fundamentally ignore the wider context of the factional realignment that is currently taking place in Victorian Labor. If you are not sure what I am talking about, this series of articles by Guy Rundle from a couple of years ago is worth a read.

What we have seen over the last couple of days has been in the offing for a long time. The stability pacts are breaking down and it seems quite likely that the leadership of Andrews' Socialist Left faction will prove unsustainable, regardless of his personal merits. I may be wrong but I think at some point there will be a new stability pact with a new Premier, unsullied by association with this particular era.

Whether the federal takeover staves that off until after the next state election will be the key issue. Without it, I couldn’t see him surviving - which is no doubt why Andrews was so prompt to make the handover.

I accept the premise of this post and my comment was not directed at you personally.

If you were a betting man, would you bet on Dan Andrews surviving this or not? The people saying with certainty that this is the "end" of Andrews are a bunch of premature ejaculators.

 

[Pessimistic]

Infrastructure

• Setting up Infrastructure Victoria as an apolitical body to make long term proposals for transport - then disregarding their advice on the proposed orbital rail loop.

Dan just announced work will start in 2022. Box hill to Cheltenham. Dan will go down as a great in this states history. and IV didnt advise against it, it just wasnt in their brief. are we saying a government can't make suggestions?

Weve had plenty of thought bubbles re: twenty minute city and decentralised etc etc, but the trend was to concentrate on the CBD. The loop is an enabler of both these things.

Dans govt will 'complete' the orbital road loop too. Main problem in future will be not much left to do

 

[Maggie5]

At least it's nice to see a political party take action against members who are found to have sinned. If Somyurek had been a government MP, Morrison would have dismissed this out of hand as gossip or a "Canberra bubble issue" and promoted him. Refer the career of Stuart Robert.

Nah, if Morrison has members like that, he would promote not investigate or fire them and welcome them into his church of sinners.

 

[Kram]

I see the deflector shields deployed by the usual suspects in here!

 

[Caesar]

If you were a betting man, would you bet on Dan Andrews surviving this or not?

I don’t see him resigning in the next few weeks, if that’s what you mean.

I think the fall-out means he will have to go at some point, but I imagine Bracks and Albanese will be keen for him to stay in place for the time being. With federal Labor effectively running the Victorian party for the next couple of years he is probably safe for a while.

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

I don’t see him resigning in the next few weeks, if that’s what you mean.

I think the fall-out means he will have to go at some point, but I imagine Bracks and Albanese will be keen for him to stay in place for the time being. With federal Labor effectively running the Victorian party for the next couple of years he is probably safe for a while.

I was more thinking the next state election.

Either way, hardly the "end" of Dan at this stage.

 

[EasternTiger]

Yeah and Watergate was just a third-rate burglary.

It gets murkier and murkier, the more you look into it. Who knows what rock the rest of them are going to crawl out from under?

Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive.

 

[Hoops]

So let's count the Andrews fu** ups

Cedar Meats
Belt Roads
Cutting funding to the fire prevention officers in East Gippsland despite warnings otherwise
Being the last premier to declare a drought in Australia
And now this

Sack this communist fu**

LOL - declare drought in Australia

 

[Kwality]

It's more the pious bleatings of people who turn a blind eye to the most corrupt federal government in history but are happy join in the pile on here.

Sadly its BF in action, dont own the problem.

 

[Taylor]

I don't see what the big deal about branch stacking is, it impacts the rank and file members diminishing their voice within their party but everyone still gets to vote clear, free and transparently come election time so although it might mean the wrong people are selected for seats it's still rubber stamped by the population.

I'm not sure I have a right to tell the ALP how to run their organisation, even if it's corrupt, because the end result is still elected by the people. If they just had their elites directly choose the candidates it would amount to the same thing, and that's exactly what we are going to get.

So what's the big deal?