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Hurley and Ryder, Cloke and Dawes, Franklin and Roughead, Walker and Tippett
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I do understand completely, My point is Ryder does not like kicking the goal if there is a way to give it to someone else, so when comparing Ryder to other forwards, assists have to come into the equation.
If I could choose any combo out of this group of players it would be
Franklin and Ryder!
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I don't really rate Tippet myself, he's got a long way to go with his mental understanding of the game in my opinion - can't match the movement, contested play and bit of brilliance that guys like Cloke, Hurley and especially Franklin possess.
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Cloke is only two months older than Tippett, yet has already won a best and fairest, played in a flag and led the league in contested marks.
Head-to-head, Tippett averages 1.8 goals per game and Cloke 1.3 - hardly a massive gap.
Conversely, Cloke averages 4 more possessions and 3 more marks a game.
You're having a laugh if you think Tippett is ahead of Cloke at this stage.
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I wonder what the correlation is between forward 50 entries and scoring opportunities by these teams and players.
Better quality ball coming in more often to Collingwood and Essendon will lead to more scoring opportunities to their forwards and quite likely more scoring contributions for their key forward combos.
This is by no means absolute and the sample size would be way to small to make any meaningful inferences, more just a question/hypothesis.
Better quality ball coming in more often to Collingwood and Essendon will lead to more scoring opportunities to their forwards and quite likely more scoring contributions for their key forward combos.
This is by no means absolute and the sample size would be way to small to make any meaningful inferences, more just a question/hypothesis.
I'm curious about what people think of Collingwoods quality of delivery into the 50? I wouldn't say that its fantastic by any means, but that may just be a bit of inverse snobbery.
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This may be true but just how often do you see a Collingwood forward like Dawes or Cloke taking a mark on a lead inside F50? Most of our forward entries are long bombs to the top of the square to either of the two pillars and our pressure at ground level is where guys like Krak and Blair pounce.
The bolded part may be true for other clubs but not with us. Watch some of our matches and you'd see pretty quickly out entry inside 50 from the class midfield has nothing to do with it
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I watch them.This may be true but just how often do you see a Collingwood forward like Dawes or Cloke taking a mark on a lead inside F50? Most of our forward entries are long bombs to the top of the square to either of the two pillars and our pressure at ground level is where guys like Krak and Blair pounce.
The bolded part may be true for other clubs but not with us. Watch some of our matches and you'd see pretty quickly out entry inside 50 from the class midfield has nothing to do with it
Both are great contested marks.
Accurate delivery is not the only way to have good delivery.
Collingwood often get the ball into the f50 quickly on the rebound before opposition teams have the chance to flood their forward lines.
This means guys like Cloke and Dawes get more 1v1 contests than they should.
You do also generate a lot of shots on goal via locking the ball in your f50 from kickouts. This is great for a guy like Dawes who puts on top notch tackling pressure.
The premise is the same though. both teams dominance generates more opportunities for their teams.
I would also suggest you still have a greater volume of f50 entries at a higher quality than most.
Should see the scrubbers our forwards have to contend with.
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Yeah, weak 3 round manipulation of the stats is weak. Cloke and Dawes have kicked more, which is more important to me right now.
1. Franklin and Roughead
2. Cloke and Dawes
3. Hurley and Ryder
4. Tippett and Walker
That's the order I'd take them in.
1. Franklin and Roughead
2. Cloke and Dawes
3. Hurley and Ryder
4. Tippett and Walker
That's the order I'd take them in.
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I agree and think there is a fair gap between the top 2 and the bottom 2.
I understand the Essendon flogfest three rounds into their first promising season in nearly a decade, but I don't enjoy it.
Let's hope for their sake their over-confidence is rewarded in some meaningful way this season.
Let's hope for their sake their over-confidence is rewarded in some meaningful way this season.
Yeah I know. It's weird that so many on bigfooty have become so obsessed with us. Imagine what it's gonna be like when we become good again. Your fat fingers will go into a frenzy.
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I dont think the gap between all of them is huge, but I'm fairly confident I have the order sport on.
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Very cute OP
We talk about Bay 13 but my god there is so much shit on the main board
Well as a Geelong supporter I sympathise and you should get ready for the following things to come at you via BigFooty:
1) "I could kick 100 goals playing in Collingwood forward line with the ball supply into there" - regardless of whether your forward line delivery is actually quality or not.
2) "X player is a hack he just looks good because he plays with Y player"
3) "Y player is a hack and only looks good because he plays with X player"
4) "Insert midfielder (who gets high disposals) just plays for stats"
5) "I could get 20 touches in Collingwood's midfield"
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I'm sure they all would love Lance Franklin playing for them the most + his sidekick Roughead, who has had 50, 60 and 70 goal seasons, playing second fiddle to Lance the last three seasons.
That's just the pair I would pick if I wanted to win
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- #45
Pretty useless stat the goals contributed a game, can very easily be taken out of context through little handballs over the top and what not.
But for the blues Garlett 4.0 and betts 3.0 puts them up there and eddie betts has been terrible so far this year!!
But for the blues Garlett 4.0 and betts 3.0 puts them up there and eddie betts has been terrible so far this year!!
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Any idea who has taken the most contested marks for each YEAR over the last four years? Probably a fair indication who are the leading two forwards in the AFL.
I actually think the whole discussion is moot as regards Collingwood since we don't rely very much on our KPF's for scoring. Sure they bring the ball to ground and kick their share but we frequently have in excess of 10 goal kickers in a match and that means the KPF's contribution should be way down on other clubs who rely more on theirs. As far as I can see a reliance on KPF's to kick goals these days should be seen as a negative not a positive.
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You aren't very old are you?, did you know that Jarryd Blair is coming 6th (or so) in the coleman?, and he's only 3" tall, he may be a very powerfull fwd for many years to come, better than jack riewoldt even.
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Im still more than sure than Malthouses game plan would prefer to see the ball in Cloke and Dawes hands at the end of inside 50s.
Because you would know of course!
Frankly I can't see why anybody would want the ball in Cloke's hands unless it's outside 50. Similar threads
