Society/Culture Hypocrisy of The Left - part 4

[Power Raid]

I'm a centrist. Clearly that's to the left of where you sit.

Are you trying to deny my political identity?

I don’t want to deny you anything

I was just hoping you’d put your hand up and own your Bolt like position where you think it is OK to deny people their racial identity.

Can you kindly confirm how this is constant with your position of 18c? As this relates to hypocrisy

Please confirm my racial infractions vs the reality of calling out racism and providing support of legal precedence on the exact derogatory comment

 

[Ghost Patrol]

I don’t want to deny you anything

I was just hoping you’d put your hand up and own your Bolt like position where you think it is OK to deny people their racial identity.

Can you kindly confirm how this is constant with your position of 18c? As this relates to hypocrisy

Please confirm my racial infractions vs the reality of calling out racism and providing support of legal precedence on the exact derogatory comment

I haven't denied anyone their racial identity.

Not sure why you keep trying to rehash this.

Can confirm your racial infraction was serious (5 points)

 

[AvantGardener]

The whole foetus v human thing is stupid. Whether we can define the exact moment its human maybe science can solve one day, but what we do know it a foetus will turn into a human. It just seems stupid to be debating whether we are killing a foetus or human. Clearly we are killing a human, whether its there yet officially or not.

However, that does not take away the abortion debate for mine. Myriad of issues such as rape and mothers health exist. In addition to this so does mothers life circumstances. If a mother gets to 30 weeks and wants an abortion, her circumstances are either dire, or the kid doesn't have much hope of being loved and given a good childhood anyhow. Why would we deny an abortion. (I'm not across if there is medical issues getting an abortion so late eg 30 weeks, if there is then happy to be guided by medical advice).

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

I still think the 'viability' argument is best in terms of being pro-choice in the present day. Consider the facts;

What’s The Earliest A Baby Can Be Born And Survive?

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What’s the earliest a baby can be born and survive?

...Like many women who face a high-risk pregnancy or experience anxiety, when you reach the 13th week of pregnancy you’ll feel a sense of relief. You’ve achieved the first big milestone and the risk of miscarriage is reduced.

After that, you might start to wonder at what week a baby can be born and survive. Certainly, no one hopes to have a premature birth.

If you’re facing a high-risk pregnancy, reaching a week when a baby can survive brings a little more relief.

And then, with every week that follows, you breathe a little easier, knowing the short and long-term odds improve with each passing day and week.

At what week in pregnancy can a baby survive outside the womb?

The earliest a baby has been born and survived is 21 weeks and 5 days. Two babies born prematurely hold the record for this.

Surprisingly, the first record holder was born in 1987, at a time when the medical care of premature babies (neonatology) was a very new field.

However, this is well before the accepted age of viability. Usually, the earliest a baby can survive is about 22 weeks gestation. The age of viability is 24 weeks.

For babies born at 22 weeks, there’s a 0-10% chance of survival; at 24 weeks the survival rate is 40-70%...

Of course as medical tech improves the chances of viability will change and eventually fully artificial wombs (not just humidicribs but actual mechanical wombs where barely-developed foetuses are floating in amniotic fluid) will become a fact and change the game entirely.

At that point the abortion question will be asked again.

 

[demondavey]

Back on to the thread topic, there’s no hypocrisy of the left. If anything the right is the persuasion of hypocrisy; we will jump up and down about free speech being contravened but have an issue with non right or non white viewpoints being expressed because we don’t like them, and in that it’s not free speech it’s ‘woke’ or ‘PC’ or ‘hate speech’.

 

[demondavey]

That Jan 26 marks the start of genocide and is 'Invasion Day'.
But it somehow doesn't mark the start of Australia as we know it and its 'Birthday'.

That they don't want to address the elephant in the room about who is perpetrating the DV when Indigenous women are 35x more likely to be hospitalized and 11x more likely to die from DV than the rest of the population.

That women should be given equal chances and opportunity but they let men identify differently and beat women in sports.

So somehow we’ve gone from invasion day and discounting that because indigenous women are more likely to be victims of DV and men identifying as women in sports dilutes the competition and gives them an advantage?

Ok….

 

[demondavey]

Newscorp only pay him because people consume his content. Only people ever referencing his content is ... I am too foolish to read the site rules.

And News Corp is about as racist and pro white as it gets.

 

[demondavey]

The left "we need safe spaces"
The left posting off topic in this thread

The left "invasion is wrong"
The left invading this thread

The left "immigration to Aust in 1788 bad. It was right of the natives to not want them"
The left "Immigration to Aust in 2024 good. It is wrong of natives to not want them"

The left "its bad Indigenous lost connection to land" that they are still living on. "Reparations should be paid" by people whos ancestors got taken halfway around globe from their land.

Yes, the left invading this thread on BF is on par with English colonisation….

Immigration in 2024? Please show me examples of immigrants this year committing genocide, bringing disease, restructuring the country, writing its own constitution in whatever form it desires, establishing laws and doctrines with no regard for the current citizens.

Are you actually reading what you’re writing?

 

[AvantGardener]

So somehow we’ve gone from invasion day and discounting that because indigenous women are more likely to be victims of DV and men identifying as women in sports dilutes the competition and gives them an advantage?

Ok….

Yes, there is a lot of hypocrisy to the left to get through.

 

[AvantGardener]

Ned Kelly bad.
Luigi Mangione good

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

I never said Ned Kelly was bad.


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[Gralin]

I never said Ned Kelly was bad.


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We give plenty of shit to Isaac Butterfield though, maybe that's confused him

 

[Chief]

Ned Kelly bad.
Luigi Mangione good

You reckon?

 

[AvantGardener]

I never said Ned Kelly was bad.


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Surprisingly 100% of a group don't share 100% same opinion 100% of the time.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Surprisingly 100% of a group don't share 100% same opinion 100% of the time.

Oh so you think this thread is rubbish then?


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[AvantGardener]

Oh so you think this thread is rubbish then?


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No

 

[Gethelred]

... this is stupid.

What does Ned Kelly have to do with left wing economic theory or opinions on the correct roles of hierarchies within society? Who has proposed support of either figure from the left or the right, and how does that make this a hypocrisy of the left?

This is worse than most attempts at pointing to hypocrisy in here, AvantGardener. Kudos at finding an even lower level than usual.

 

[AvantGardener]

... this is stupid.

What does Ned Kelly have to do with left wing economic theory or opinions on the correct roles of hierarchies within society? Who has proposed support of either figure from the left or the right, and how does that make this a hypocrisy of the left?

This is worse than most attempts at pointing to hypocrisy in here, AvantGardener. Kudos at finding an even lower level than usual.

Cancel culture. There is loads of evidence of the left turning yesterdays heroes (such as Ned) into todays villains.

 

[liz]

Cancel culture. There is loads of evidence of the left turning yesterdays heroes (such as Ned) into todays villains.

Maybe provide us with a few instances?

 

[Gethelred]

Cancel culture. There is loads of evidence of the left turning yesterdays heroes (such as Ned) into todays villains.

... where do I even ****ing start?

For something to demonstrate a hypocrisy of the left in general or specifically, you need the following components:

1. An act, person or thing...
2. ... from someone of a left wing persuasion or bent...
3. ... that contravenes left wing ideals.

'Cancel culture' is not left wing, nor is it right wing. It's an illiberal impulse to silence something or someone you disagree with. It's taken many forms throughout history, from ostracism in Athens to contemporary boycotts; it's not new, nor is it restricted to the left/right dichotomy.

Secondly, you would have to demonstrate that Ned (or Luigi) were heroes of left wing ideals to position them as hypocritical, or you would have to name someone of a left wing persuasion who holds those positions to name them hypocritical. You've not done this, either.

Thirdly, this in no way even ****ing interacts with left wing ideals or motivations.

This is - in short - the worst possible argument you could attempt to make. It's not even there if you stretch it or squint.

 

[AvantGardener]

Maybe provide us with a few instances?

https://www.2gb.com/book-ban-cancel-culture-catches-up-with-ned-kelly/ (inb4 Ben Fordham melts)

Captain Cook statue outside Melbourne’s Cook’s Cottage toppled amid spate of attacks

City of Melbourne council says CCTV footage shows a group cutting down statue early Monday in the third attack on a Captain Cook memorial in Melbourne this year

www.theguardian.com

Blamey deserves praise, not to be cancelled

Opinion: Portrait removal from council meeting room 'shameful'.

www.dailyadvertiser.com.au

... where do I even ****ing start?

For something to demonstrate a hypocrisy of the left in general or specifically, you need the following components:

1. An act, person or thing...
2. ... from someone of a left wing persuasion or bent...
3. ... that contravenes left wing ideals.

'Cancel culture' is not left wing, nor is it right wing. It's an illiberal impulse to silence something or someone you disagree with. It's taken many forms throughout history, from ostracism in Athens to contemporary boycotts; it's not new, nor is it restricted to the left/right dichotomy.

Secondly, you would have to demonstrate that Ned (or Luigi) were heroes of left wing ideals to position them as hypocritical, or you would have to name someone of a left wing persuasion who holds those positions to name them hypocritical. You've not done this, either.

Thirdly, this in no way even ****ing interacts with left wing ideals or motivations.

This is - in short - the worst possible argument you could attempt to make. It's not even there if you stretch it or squint.

No point even conversing with you if you are going to jump on something that should be uncontroversial and generally agreed upon. The past 10 years there has been a big move from the left towards cancel culture, given the context of this conversation it should be obvious what I am talking about. You are either that far biased, or just wanting to be argumentative.

Your definition of hypocrisy does not allow for one opinion to contravene another opinion. Pretty important to include that I would have thought.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

https://www.2gb.com/book-ban-cancel-culture-catches-up-with-ned-kelly/ (inb4 Ben Fordham melts)

Captain Cook statue outside Melbourne’s Cook’s Cottage toppled amid spate of attacks

City of Melbourne council says CCTV footage shows a group cutting down statue early Monday in the third attack on a Captain Cook memorial in Melbourne this year

www.theguardian.com

Blamey deserves praise, not to be cancelled

Opinion: Portrait removal from council meeting room 'shameful'.

www.dailyadvertiser.com.au

No point even conversing with you if you are going to jump on something that should be uncontroversial and generally agreed upon. The past 10 years there has been a big move from the left towards cancel culture, given the context of this conversation it should be obvious what I am talking about. You are either that far biased, or just wanting to be argumentative.

Your definition of hypocrisy does not allow for one opinion to contravene another opinion. Pretty important to include that I would have thought.

Cook was eaten. He’s cancelled long ago lollllllll


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[Gethelred]

https://www.2gb.com/book-ban-cancel-culture-catches-up-with-ned-kelly/ (inb4 Ben Fordham melts)

Captain Cook statue outside Melbourne’s Cook’s Cottage toppled amid spate of attacks

City of Melbourne council says CCTV footage shows a group cutting down statue early Monday in the third attack on a Captain Cook memorial in Melbourne this year

www.theguardian.com

Blamey deserves praise, not to be cancelled

Opinion: Portrait removal from council meeting room 'shameful'.

www.dailyadvertiser.com.au

No point even conversing with you if you are going to jump on something that should be uncontroversial and generally agreed upon. The past 10 years there has been a big move from the left towards cancel culture, given the context of this conversation it should be obvious what I am talking about. You are either that far biased, or just wanting to be argumentative.

Your definition of hypocrisy does not allow for one opinion to contravene another opinion. Pretty important to include that I would have thought.

Meet the thread criteria then, instead of having a whinge - which is what this reply is - when your posting is dissected or analysed and found wanting.

 

[AvantGardener]

Meet the thread criteria then, instead of having a whinge - which is what this reply is - when your posting is dissected or analysed and found wanting.

I can't help if your definition of hypocrisy erroneously excludes two conflicting opinions.

Ned - bad vigilante we shouldn't be celebrating him "left portion of cancel culture'
Luigi - good vigilante we are celebrating 'left including people part of left portion of cancel culture'

 

[Gethelred]

I can't help if your definition of hypocrisy erroneously excludes two conflicting opinions.

Ned - bad vigilante we shouldn't be celebrating him "left portion of cancel culture'
Luigi - good vigilante we are celebrating 'left including people part of left portion of cancel culture'

Again:

• these opinions aren't exclusive to a left wing perspective, as the illiberal desire to exclude a perspective disagreed with from society is manifest in both sides of the left/right dichotomy.
• neither of these perspectives are demonstrably right or left wing.
• the two positions don't interact, and could be completely consistent with each other within a right or left wing perspective.

Get back to me when you can actually argue on the merits, because this is - again - nothing more than a whine.