List Mgmt. Hypothetical trades and wishlists thread

[Strapping Young Lad]

A few things Clarko alluded tonight that stuck out for me.

1) unless Ty says he is done with Footy we will stick with him for another season and won't trade him.
2) We don't have the assets/picks to get a deal done for a player like (Stringer) that would satisfy the Dogs and us.
3) he doesn't see as a big player in this years trade period.
4) Clarko is very excited about reloading and going again for our club and talked about possibly going overseas to do some coaching if he finished up with the Hawks before taking on another AFL role.

You didn't really believe he was being completely honest with points 1,2 and 3, did you?

 

[bradburygold]

Trade radio starts TOMORROW 11am...geez i love trade week but thats way too early

Already have 70 posts a day on this thread to sift thru

 

[Baz_hawk]

To be honest I'd be happy with Kennedy from the Giants and for us to make a few trades to get an early pick in this or next years draft. As many have alluded to the draft depth next year is looking very good so a few picks between 10-30 would really set us up to grab some young talent to really be in a good position.

To get Kennedy we'd probably be looking at a a three way deal.

Brisbane get Hartung, Duryea, GWS pick 63
GWS get Puopolo, Haw pick 32
Hawks get Kennedy, Bris pick 18

I expect someone loses here but I've made some assumptions...
- Brisbane will look for a compensation pick for Rockcliff should he leave, that'll give them three picks inside the first round. Pick 12 may be just out of reach of us but they will have 13 also should Rockcliff depart so maybe Fages will look after us.
- GWS actually want Puopolo.
- Whitecross could be thrown into the Brisbane trade as steak knives to get the earlier pick.

Bring on the hate

 

[Rioli the king]

Netting Gaff and Kennedy would be huge. Not convinced with Rockliff, hasn't he just had another shoulder reconstruction?


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I think you guys will get a wake up call!
For a player like Hartung we will probably be lucky to get a 2nd rounder, if a player is involved it would be someone like Tom Lamb coming back. I think you'll find the Hawks will have a clean out for picks both this year and next, they will trade players out for picks then on trade some picks for a top pick if possible. Gaff isn't realistic, why not draft a kid we need pace, mids and tall and small forwards. We've been out of the draft for so long I believe and hear that 2 years drafting plus the core under 25's will be the quickest way to get talent through the door. After 2 years drafting then go after top established players in the age group eg Kelly when he comes out of contract next. Some of these trade ideas are so far off it's laughable. Smith, Breust, Gunston ect these are players with currency! Why not draft the next star of the comp? 2 years draft then foot down to our next flag!

 

[Rioli the king]

No Hate, that's at least realistic, maybe people aren't aware of next years draft, but that's what we should be aiming for. Izak Rankine, King twins ect ect grab a KPP in this draft, go for a Dow or a Rayner. Trade actual currency.
Ask the question why would we target Mitchell and O'Meara who are early 20's and let players like Smith who won't be around for our next flag sit on the list and lose currency take late punts on Liam Ryan, Sambono's add speed and flair. At least you have the right idea in a Kennedy, he will be in the age bracket and we're giving away guys in there late 20's. Realistic trade idea at least

 

[Hawk_francais]

No Hate, that's at least realistic, maybe people aren't aware of next years draft, but that's what we should be aiming for. Izak Rankine, King twins ect ect grab a KPP in this draft, go for a Dow or a Rayner. Trade actual currency.
Ask the question why would we target Mitchell and O'Meara who are early 20's and let players like Smith who won't be around for our next flag sit on the list and lose currency take late punts on Liam Ryan, Sambono's add speed and flair. At least you have the right idea in a Kennedy, he will be in the age bracket and we're giving away guys in there late 20's. Realistic trade idea at least

There's a reason that clubs don't just trade away all their older players. Smith won't go anywhere, especially as he's so integral to our game plan (has been for 5 years now).

We probably do have a few too many stars that are the wrong side of 29 - but the club has decided the immediate future and it's called Roughead, Shiels and Smith. Others may be on the way out now but not those three.

 

[Watsclarkosmob]

Ceglar and Pittonet come to mind...

I don't see us playing two genuine rucks anytime soon creating a disadvantage for yourself by doing so, games evolved.

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[crazywildhorse]

So Clarkson says we're going to be pretty low key in the trade period, should we take him at his word?

 

[lickmerocks]

No way is Gaff worth anymore than pick 19-27 mark. Plus, don't want him anyway, Henderson had similar numbers this year FFS!!
On trades board, either a Norf, Blues, or a Saints supporter put picks 7 or 8 on the table for Gaff and now eagles supporters are taking that stupidity from poorly run clubs supporters and applying that logic all over BF!!!
Well, Hartung DOES have other serious suitors and gaff ain't that good so we either keep the young man or do a trade with a club is likely to do a low ball offer and I actually respect the Swans in that respect, minimum fuss type of guys at the trade table.
Now, is everyone totally sure that Poppy is going?? He doesn't sound like it.

Hartung has some other clubs interested because he is out of contract, on the fringe at Hawthorn and other clubs would know they can get him with a 3 year offer.

Let's not kid ourselves we will get a pick around 25-30 for him at best.

 

[WWSD]

I don't see us playing two genuine rucks anytime soon creating a disadvantage for yourself by doing so, games evolved.

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Clarkson always goes with the 2 ruckman setup. Ceglar in 2015 kicked a career high 14 goals, whilst this year McEvoy also kicked a career high 14 goals and led the league in contested marks amongst the AFL rucks.

The thing is our game plan works playing two ruckman. McEvoy is the best contested marking ruck in the league. With Ceglar back next year it allows him to spend more time as a forward marking option inside 50 and likewise for Ceglar.

O'Brien should play as a half forward flanker.

 

[HeHateMe]

Clarkos word to the media is hard to gauge. Could be telling the truth could be manipulating.

 

[crazywildhorse]

Clarkos word to the media is hard to gauge. Could be telling the truth could be manipulating.

Exactly

 

[derp de derp]

Everyone questioning Hartungs worth, if he or anyone else heads to North then we are looking at a 1st round pick


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[Watsclarkosmob]

Clarkson always goes with the 2 ruckman setup. Ceglar in 2015 kicked a career high 14 goals, whilst this year McEvoy also kicked a career high 14 goals and led the league in contested marks amongst the AFL rucks.

The thing is our game plan works playing two ruckman. McEvoy is the best contested marking ruck in the league. With Ceglar back next year it allows him to spend more time as a forward marking option inside 50 and likewise for Ceglar.

O'Brien should play as a half forward flanker.

Disagree, Ceglar and McEvoy will not be in the same side for a majority of 2018. Spicalist ruckman and a ruck/forward is Clarkos preference. Ceglar and McEvoy are not forwards.

 

[dermott]

So Clarkson says we're going to be pretty low key in the trade period, should we take him at his word?

Clarko chose his words pretty carefully so that nothing was completely ruled in or out. If the Hawks can do deals that they think will improve the list they will do so. However, in the light of the new salary cap and the Franklin contracts being thrown around at so-called big fish, I think he is suggesting that We are not silly enough to join that feeding frenzy. Franklin and Tippet have not won premierships for Sydney so the jury is still out on whether paying mega bucks for one or two players is a sound strategy.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Everyone questioning Hartungs worth, if he or anyone else heads to North then we are looking at a 1st round pick


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Just one?

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Disagree, Ceglar and McEvoy will not be in the same side for a majority of 2018. Spicalist ruckman and a ruck/forward is Clarkos preference. Ceglar and McEvoy are not forwards.

Both can rest forward though. Ceglar and Big Boy tend to take more marks than most of our taller forwards these days.

 

[OnceKicked50]

Clarkson always goes with the 2 ruckman setup. Ceglar in 2015 kicked a career high 14 goals, whilst this year McEvoy also kicked a career high 14 goals and led the league in contested marks amongst the AFL rucks.

The thing is our game plan works playing two ruckman. McEvoy is the best contested marking ruck in the league. With Ceglar back next year it allows him to spend more time as a forward marking option inside 50 and likewise for Ceglar.

O'Brien should play as a half forward flanker.

McEvoy had a career year playing 80% + game time in the Ruck. His tank is elite and his best asset is covering the ground and offering a target down the line when needed. He is not David Hale playing forward, his not a natural forward and his goals were generally on the back of pushing forward when the opposition ruckman couldn't run with him anymore. I can't see us playing a second ruck next season.

With Rougheahd, O'Brien and Gunston we would be too tall if you added Ceglar. I think Clarko will persist with O'Brien pinch hitting unless Vickery has a belter of a pre-season.

 

[OnceKicked50]

Clarkos word to the media is hard to gauge. Could be telling the truth could be manipulating.

I guess we won't really know until the end of trade period, but I tend to think he's calling the truth on it. With Whitfield and Kelly signed away I don't think there is anyone else we would have been willing to part with a player such as Gunston, Smith or Breust for.

2018 is supposed to be a bumper draft year, and having effectively not entered the draft until the second round for two straight years, I cannot see us giving up another future in this trade period.

People have reported that Stratton may want to head back West, I actually doubt this is the case, but if he did then his trade value is likely below what his true worth is. He is a gun. A genuine A-grade lock-down defender. However, he is not a key-posiition defender, nor a rebounding defender, so if people are linking him to Gaff then we will need to come up with more, and not steak knives Hartung. I hope he stays.

Unless there is some legs in the rumour linking Rioli to Brisbane, I cannot see us being big players in this trade period. We may make plays for Kennedy, and lose Poppy, but there is no-one out there we are going to sell the farm for like last trade period.

 

[Pessimistic]

I'm thinking if out of contract players get a better offer they'll be allowed to go if the compensation is right. Anyone think we may ask for 2018 picks? Or even on trade 2017 for 2018 elsewhere?

If that happened would need to fill the 2018 list with Fitzpatrick types, then prune quite deep in 2018 to take 5-6 in the 2018 draft

 

[MowShow]

I think a lot of people here are underrating Gaff. Sure, he has his weaknesses but he is one of the better outside mids in the comp and will be one of his team's most important players next year with the departure of Priddis and Mitchell.

He is a best and fairest winner, All-Australian (means relatively little these days, but given the propensity to plonk inside mids on the wings and flanks in favor of actual outside mids and flankers, I'm tempted to give it some merit), has averaged 29-30 disposals for the last 3 seasons straight and in his prime years (25 years old), having no ongoing injury concerns/history (averaged 22 games per season since debut).

Just because West Coast might be open to a drop down the ladder and rebuild, doesn't mean they will be giving him away for a bag of footies. The whole idea of trading someone like Gaff when you are on the cusp of a rebuild is to get good currency, not just offload him so you can be rubbish for 2-3 years and rack up draft picks that way.

As the West Coast supporter said, I'd suggest they would laugh at an offer of Hartung + Pick ~30. If we are honest, that's us offering up two late second rounders or even a mid second and mid third rounder. Chips. At that price West Coast will be more than happy to walk, have him in their side next year and try their luck at retaining him when he is a free agent.

Would love Gaff on our list but just can't see us having the currency (that we are willing to part with) that will meet West Coast's expected return. If we do end up landing him, it is far more likely via free agency a year down the track.

 

[OzJohnnie]

Clarkos word to the media is hard to gauge. Could be telling the truth could be manipulating.

Perhaps. I'm 50/50 on that.

 

[HairyO]

Clarko chose his words pretty carefully so that nothing was completely ruled in or out. If the Hawks can do deals that they think will improve the list they will do so. However, in the light of the new salary cap and the Franklin contracts being thrown around at so-called big fish, I think he is suggesting that We are not silly enough to join that feeding frenzy. Franklin and Tippet have not won premierships for Sydney so the jury is still out on whether paying mega bucks for one or two players is a sound strategy.

"Compared to last year, Hawthorn will have a quiet one"....

 

[Watsclarkosmob]

Both can rest forward though. Ceglar and Big Boy tend to take more marks than most of our taller forwards these days.

It will be Ceglar or O'Brian/Schoenmakers, not both. I wouldn't be picking two genuine rucks come round 1 next year.

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[grumbleguts]

So this entire thread can be supplanted by the line:
We trade anyone north wants for anyone they want us to have.

That way the player we let go will be revealed as a spud, and we had never noticed while they were here, and the player we get will find hidden talents that they didn't know existed.