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can someone pls start a thread on what illicit drugs we should take after we win the GF just to counter this diabolical and apocalyptical, hypothetical thread out? pls stop!!
Opinion If we lose the Prelim....
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Freo2012
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The Natural high will be truly enough
to sustain through the off season, as well as some casual banter with E-Girl and Cat flogs on BF
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I'll take that as a nod. Thanks riteo.
I think as long as we're taking it one week at a time we will come out focused and hard as nails - and if we do it will take a massive effort from Sydney or a miracle for Carlton to win. Both those teams do have strong leaders with premiership experience so shouldn't be taken lightly. If we come out and play like crap, would be massively disappointed. The character development our players have gone through has been real and very impressive however, this sky is not the limit for this team!
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Sweet, haven't got 14 ****ing likes/quotes in my alerts, after I smacked all the jabronies down with my superior posting skills. I guess it's offical, I'm right again.
Riteo, you were a better know nothing troll when you had a shit avatar. Not sure If changing it is a good thing or bad thing.
Riteo, you were a better know nothing troll when you had a shit avatar. Not sure If changing it is a good thing or bad thing.
Sums it up pretty well. Add our injuries. Like I said somewhere else already, had somebody predicted our injuries before this season started I would have put money on us missing the 8...
- Finised 3rd, our equal highest finish
- Most wins and points in a season
- First ever home prelim
- Consecutive finals for the first time in our history
- Lots of development of younger players and most senior players in career best form
- Hinkley the only man who could even come close to stopping Lyon being Coach of the Year
- More respect for Fremantle as a team who can win then we've ever had
- Players locked in and ready to go again next year
If we lose I'll be very disappointed but it'd be ****ing harsh to say it wasn't a successful year and I'll have every confidence of Fremantle being even better in 2014.
- Away games? Bring em on
PS BUt the high finish surely rises expectations...
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Ross Lyon has stated that Fremantle is in the business of winning premierships. By that very benchmark, not making the grand final after finishing top four and earning a home preliminary final would be considered by the club as a failure.
What fans think about the season is meaningless.
What fans think about the season is meaningless.
I'd personally would rather wait until the season is actually over before the postmortem and objectively measuring the teams performance.
You realise your petulant little insults is why I'm not bothering with you yeah? I'd rather have bushie back than a scrub like you. I don't think you've ever once been able to accept a difference of opinion. I really cant be bothered with your attention seeking shenanigans bud.
Not to mention you're in no position to be talking about shit avatars.
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Accuses someone of petulant insults, follows up with petulant insults. Lawl.
I accept different opinions. If I don't agree with them though, I'll express why, and well.
Guess it's easy being a sniper and not having to back it up though hey?
The question the OP posed was "If we lose the prelim, will the season be considered a success?".
As far as I see it, the answer is purely subjective and varies from person to person, everyone has their own expectations mate.
The fact you feel the need to hound me for voicing an opinion contrary to yours is classic Jungle Muff. Not everything is black and white, you don't always need to try and point score so desperately.
Please stop being so angsty and petulant.
As far as I see it, the answer is purely subjective and varies from person to person, everyone has their own expectations mate.
The fact you feel the need to hound me for voicing an opinion contrary to yours is classic Jungle Muff. Not everything is black and white, you don't always need to try and point score so desperately.
Please stop being so angsty and petulant.
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Such a question only really matters to those at the club. I would guarantee that many of the senior players and coaches would see it as an unsuccessful season if the preliminary final is a loss.
No doubt, in fact I have the utmost confidence that the players have the belief they can go all the way.
Arcassius
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If Sydney come and do what we did to Geelong, the umpires conspire against us, we cop a heap of in game injuries to key players, and we lose by a point in the toughest game of the season, is that still a failure in the eyes of the club? A missed opportunity perhaps, but it's impossible to say in absolute terms *now* that should we lose it's guaranteed to be viewed as a failure. I think the game and the season will be viewed as a whole - in context - before it's assessed.
Subjective really. The supporters are still the ones that impact on the club through merchandise, viewer numbers, memberships etc. Its not like the only opinion that matters is that of the club. They are in the business of winning premierships (*and* growing memberships). How we view the club (and its performance) has a tangible impact.
I think you are wrong. The Prelim is a game we should win. Neither of the likely opponents are better than us. We should be fresh and we should beat them on our home turf, and failing to do so means we are not as good as we think we are.
I think we won the Geelong final at least in part because of meticulous planning and preparation. It has become a hallmark for us. Failing to bring that to a home Prelim would be a failure. One we can learn from and enter the next season better from that lesson.
Would still feel proud of what the club has achieved this year though. But in the end it is exactly what we went and recruited Lyon for. A red hot go while Pav, Sandi and MacPharlin are up and about.
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I'll say it again, accomplishing your goals and setting new goals doesn't detract from the fact that you succeeded in completing what you originally set out to achieve. Top 4 and an away win in the QF would have been considered a pass.
Succeeding at one task and failing at the next doesn't render the original success a failure.
If we don't win the flag from here, and you're saying that's not a success, then it logically follows that the season was a failure, in which case, will you be asking questions of Lyon and the rest of the club?
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We should.
But we can't say that without context - too early to judge what hasn't happened. See my post earlier.
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Really quite a stretched hypothetical there. What if the bus blows up on way to the game?
You should look back on what Ross and St Kilda players said in 2008 and 2009 when they fell short in both a prelim and a grand final.
2008 was a surprise year for St Kilda, they sneaked into the top four after a few teams capitulated in the last round. But after they lost, Lyon was scathing in his appraisal of what was required.
If you want an insight into how he operates, read this article:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...-to-inspire-team/story-fnca0u4y-1226716390091
Everything he does is documented, reviewed and assessed.
This is what makes me so glad that we have Lyon at this point. As a club we're in foreign territory with a home Prelim, a week off and the weight of general expectation that we'll be in the grand final this time in two weeks. I'm a lot more comfortable that our players will do everything right to ensure we have the best preparation possible with Lyon at the helm.
Back to the original question, Riteo's point sums it up. It's all subjective. I don't think any of us who would consider the season a failure should we lose the Prelim will be calling for Lyon's head post season or demanding mass delistings, it's just the nature of both the club and supporter group now that we have a demand for success, and being so close to the ultimate has probably made many reevaluate pre-season goals.
In a way you could argue it shouldn't really. If our expectation at the start was just to finish top 4, then we were always a chance to find ourselves in this position. I mean is there any point in finishing in the top 4 and not backing us to win the flag?
Good point about Lyon, he's been here a few times before and the players know it, reckon it gives them more confidence that had we say Harvey still at the helm.
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How realistic the possibilities of things going wrong for us are, is irrelevant, the principal of that statement still stands. Either a loss regardless of the circumstances means the season is a failure, or it doesn't. That then follows through to the next week, leaving the final argument that we either win the flag, or the the season is unsuccessful and a fail. Frankly, based on where we have come from, that is flat out bullshit.
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It isn't. I can explain why if you want.
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we don't have any excuse not to make a grand final, so if we don't make a grand final, i would be very sad. but if we make the grand final then i don't want to lose the grand final, because that will mean ross would have lost four of them, which would make me sad and also because we wouldn't hear the end of it, so i would be disappointed if we don't win the flag.
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