Injury Injury List

[Djcjdees]

Official injury list has him at "4 weeks"

That's what I keep saying (and keep getting shot down for saying) about 'MFC-speak' when it comes to communicating our injury news/updates to members.

Hear/see enough of these updates and you're able to read between the lines (it's the notes that he doesn't play - Lisa Simpson style).

The Viney and Jones ones were absolutely perfect examples. The two of them were 110% way underdone, played a half of a practice game for Casey and both hobbled off. But both were '100% ready to go certainties for Round One.' Translated into normal-speak, that meant 'yeah nah they are pretty cooked but we're playing them anyway. Screw the rest of the season.'

Viney and TMac at the start of last year also stellar example. '100% right for round one'... Fast forward to 6.34pm on Thursday night before round one starts...OFF LEGS

I get they have a bit of a tough time sometimes in estimating these things, but if you don't know, then say 'As much as supporters want a hard a fast return date, at the stage of his injury and given his previous injuries, it'll be weeks before we really know the full extent of it.'

NOT

'Yeah 4 weeks'

 

[TheCount]

That's what I keep saying (and keep getting shot down for saying) about 'MFC-speak' when it comes to communicating our injury news/updates to members.

Hear/see enough of these updates and you're able to read between the lines (it's the notes that he doesn't play - Lisa Simpson style).

The Viney and Jones ones were absolutely perfect examples. The two of them were 110% way underdone, played a half of a practice game for Casey and both hobbled off. But both were '100% ready to go certainties for Round One.' Translated into normal-speak, that meant 'yeah nah they are pretty cooked but we're playing them anyway. Screw the rest of the season.'

Viney and TMac at the start of last year also stellar example. '100% right for round one'... Fast forward to 6.34pm on Thursday night before round one starts...OFF LEGS

I get they have a bit of a tough time sometimes in estimating these things, but if you don't know, then say 'As much as supporters want a hard a fast return date, at the stage of his injury and given his previous injuries, it'll be weeks before we really know the full extent of it.'

NOT

'Yeah 4 weeks'

You keep getting shot down because you completely ignore the fact that recovering from an injury isn't a standard process, it varies from person to person, and injury to injury. What works for one won't necessarily work for all. The club takes a cautious approach with stress related injuries, and pushes time frames back if things don't respond they way they'd hoped.

 

[Toump Ass]

Hear/see enough of these updates and you're able to read between the lines (it's the notes that he doesn't play - Lisa Simpson style).

Who the **** is Lisa Simpson?

That quote is from the great Miles Davis. One of the greatest musicians who ever lived.

 

[ponsdale]

Who the **** is Lisa Simpson?

That quote is from the great Miles Davis. One of the greatest musicians who ever lived.

Yes, but the Simpsons were referencing back to Davis. And for most young'uns, The Simpsons are much more of a cultural touch point than Davis, unfortunately.

 

[Djcjdees]

Joel Smith 5 weeks - great...

So I'm a numbers guy and am obviously extremely skeptical about our injury management. Apparently most here seem to just brush these inconsistencies aside with 'oh yeah but stuff happens and injuries aren't straightforward' etc. I agree to a degree but yeah this season it just seems an order of magnitude worse considering the state of the list come round one.

Anyway, here's a few updates relative to March 20th, so 3 weeks ago. Joel Smith has gone from 5 weeks to TBC so there's that.

JKH was 10-12 weeks so he's not making progress unfortunately. Hannan was 6-12 weeks (he was 8-12 over a month ago on the 5th March), so they at least know a bit more about his injury it seems but he doesn't seem to be making much leeway.

May I'm worried about because he was 3 weeks last week and now it's 2-3 weeks.

AVB was listed as 4 weeks so he is getting no closer unfortunately.

Lever is one that is improving I guess. He was 12-16 weeks on March 5th, 6-10 weeks on March 20 and is now 6-8 weeks. Hmm. I guess they are getting more confident about him, but I still have my doubts we'll even see him this year. His one is tough though.

Lewis actually never appeared on the injury list until now that I can see but the talk out of the club about him has been consistent-ish at least. It was always 3 games I thought, but now he's still a week away. So maybe not that consistent. Well, consistent as far as we're concerned.

Now, I do understand that injuries aren't exact sciences, and call me old fashioned, but for all the sports sciencey people that AFL clubs have involved these days, there really seems to be a lot of players on our list who end up injured for way longer than they first thought. The above doesn't even include TMac, who's been injured for 6 months and Viney, who is always injured.

Just sayin

 

[Djcjdees]

Who the **** is Lisa Simpson?

That quote is from the great Miles Davis. One of the greatest musicians who ever lived.

Yeah, well aware who Miles Davis is, man. That's who Lisa was quoting. You've never heard of Lisa Simpson?

 

[stEdy]

Joel Smith now TBC, what a joke

As stupid as it sounds, we are really missing him as a point of difference in our forward line, I feel like with his pace and leap he would have kicked a few with the amount of entries we've been having and his form in the JLT

 

[TheCount]

Joel Smith now TBC, what a joke

As stupid as it sounds, we are really missing him as a point of difference in our forward line, I feel like with his pace and leap he would have kicked a few with the amount of entries we've been having and his form in the JLT

Yep, someone's head should roll for allowing him back on the field in the JLT, absolute disgrace.

While a limited player, his physical attributes make him a bit of a nightmare to man up on. Feel like he'd probably have kicked a handful simply from sitting on the heads of the massive pack of players we have flying for the deep inside 50

 

[Demon 16]

Yep, someone's head should roll for allowing him back on the field in the JLT, absolute disgrace.

While a limited player, his physical attributes make him a bit of a nightmare to man up on. Feel like he'd probably have kicked a handful simply from sitting on the heads of the massive pack of players we have flying for the deep inside 50

Irrespective of how good he is or isn’t, I still can’t believe they left him limping around out there in JLT.

I genuinely presumed it was a corky or something couldn’t get worse if he stayed out there but this is horrendous!

 

[Djcjdees]

'Yeah but injuries happen and they aren't an exact science'

 

[Djcjdees]

OK.

Another update. Let's see if anyone is actually progressing with their injuries according to the club

Player​	Last week​	This Week​
Hannan	6-8	6 (was 6-12 on March 20)
JKH	10-12	8-10
Lever	6-8	6 (was 6-10 on March 20)
Lewis	1	Available
May	2-3	2-4
Joel Smith	TBC (was 5 on March 20)	4-6
AVB	4-6	4-6

So Hannan really hasn't progressed in around a month. He's been at least 6 weeks away for almost that long.

JKH seems to be improving but his season is probably done, really.

Lever, see Hannan. I think we'll be very lucky to see him again this season given his likely fitness levels. Maybe an SOS in the 2nd half of the season after a game or 2 in the VFL. He's 2 months away at least from the seniors.

Lewis, well it was a week longer than they said at the start, so you take that as a win with MFC.

May was 3 weeks away 3 weeks ago and is still 2-3 away. Alarm bells are ringing, Willie.

Joel Smith. Man I feel sorry for him. It's obviously bad. Hasn't progressed in 3 weeks. The dreaded 426.

AVB. Also 426. See ya next year.

All in all, maybe May comes back before the bye and Lewis probably for the Tigers. The rest are really only chances for the second half of the season..

EDIT: I'm going to do up another table once these players come back with 'initial prognosis' vs 'actual time on the sideline'.

 

[PerfectFooty]

Honestly i forgot tables were a feature on bigfooty

 

[HANDSOLO]

OK.

Another update. Let's see if anyone is actually progressing with their injuries according to the club

Player​	Last week​	This Week​
Hannan	6-8	6 (was 6-12 on March 20)
JKH	10-12	8-10
Lever	6-8	6 (was 6-10 on March 20)
Lewis	1	Available
May	2-3	2-4
Joel Smith	TBC (was 5 on March 20)	4-6
AVB	4-6	4-6

So Hannan really hasn't progressed in around a month. He's been at least 6 weeks away for almost that long.

JKH seems to be improving but his season is probably done, really.

Lever, see Hannan. I think we'll be very lucky to see him again this season given his likely fitness levels. Maybe an SOS in the 2nd half of the season after a game or 2 in the VFL. He's 2 months away at least from the seniors.

Lewis, well it was a week longer than they said at the start, so you take that as a win with MFC.

May was 3 weeks away 3 weeks ago and is still 2-3 away. Alarm bells are ringing, Willie.

Joel Smith. Man I feel sorry for him. It's obviously bad. Hasn't progressed in 3 weeks. The dreaded 426.

AVB. Also 426. See ya next year.

All in all, maybe May comes back before the bye and Lewis probably for the Tigers. The rest are really only chances for the second half of the season..

EDIT: I'm going to do up another table once these players come back with 'initial prognosis' vs 'actual time on the sideline'.

Thanks for doing this! Yeah I agree lever and fatty probably not going to do anything this year, ditto AVB and Hannan sadly. Whatever we gonna do it’s basically with the team we have plus Lewis

 

[Djcjdees]

Honestly i forgot tables were a feature on bigfooty

Yeah I couldn't figure out how to narrow the columns a bit so it looks crap.

 

[PerfectFooty]

Yeah I couldn't figure out how to narrow the columns a bit so it looks crap.

Looks pretty nice to me

 

[Djcjdees]

Thanks for doing this! Yeah I agree lever and fatty probably not going to do anything this year, ditto AVB and Hannan sadly. Whatever we gonna do it’s basically with the team we have plus Lewis

Correct, assuming we have no further injuries, which would be bold. TMac won't last the season, for example.

I still hold hope for Lever and Hannan possibly with like 4 rounds to go. Could be handy inclusions if they can get fit. The rest are a complete write off though.

 

[HANDSOLO]

Correct, assuming we have no further injuries, which would be bold. TMac won't last the season, for example.

I still hold hope for Lever and Hannan possibly with like 4 rounds to go. Could be handy inclusions if they can get fit. The rest are a complete write off though.

My concern there is that even if lever and may get fit, do a monthbinthe reserves and all that shit it would take them ages to work out how to play together / find chemistry (I think it wasn’t until round 6 or so last year lever gelled with the others for example)

Maybe we just out that cue in the rack

 

[Crusty Demon]

My concern there is that even if lever and may get fit, do a monthbinthe reserves and all that shit it would take them ages to work out how to play together / find chemistry (I think it wasn’t until round 6 or so last year lever gelled with the others for example)

Maybe we just out that cue in the rack

If we lose to the Saints, I think putting the cue in the rack would probably be the smart thing to do. Without a fit and firing May/Lever combo, we won't be going deep into September. If we can somehow get to a 5-5 situation, then i think you'll see an extra push to get May and Lever going. I don't think there's a rush on either right now. Both need to get fit. Get them in the team for the last 6 weeks to build up some chemistry..

 

[Sylvia Saint]

Doesn't make any sense. May is progressing (according to Misson's comments) but is now a further week away. Potentially 4 weeks away three weeks after he was expected to miss three games. If he's had a setback then so be it but be transparent.

 

[Cannon82]

Doesn't make any sense. May is progressing (according to Misson's comments) but is now a further week away. Potentially 4 weeks away three weeks after he was expected to miss three games. If he's had a setback then so be it but be transparent.

Was probably going OK but then had a massive weekend of KFC. Damn those secret herbs and spices!

 

[Jazny]

OK.

Another update. Let's see if anyone is actually progressing with their injuries according to the club

Player​	Last week​	This Week​
Hannan	6-8	6 (was 6-12 on March 20)
JKH	10-12	8-10
Lever	6-8	6 (was 6-10 on March 20)
Lewis	1	Available
May	2-3	2-4
Joel Smith	TBC (was 5 on March 20)	4-6
AVB	4-6	4-6

So Hannan really hasn't progressed in around a month. He's been at least 6 weeks away for almost that long.

JKH seems to be improving but his season is probably done, really.

Lever, see Hannan. I think we'll be very lucky to see him again this season given his likely fitness levels. Maybe an SOS in the 2nd half of the season after a game or 2 in the VFL. He's 2 months away at least from the seniors.

Lewis, well it was a week longer than they said at the start, so you take that as a win with MFC.

May was 3 weeks away 3 weeks ago and is still 2-3 away. Alarm bells are ringing, Willie.

Joel Smith. Man I feel sorry for him. It's obviously bad. Hasn't progressed in 3 weeks. The dreaded 426.

AVB. Also 426. See ya next year.

All in all, maybe May comes back before the bye and Lewis probably for the Tigers. The rest are really only chances for the second half of the season..

EDIT: I'm going to do up another table once these players come back with 'initial prognosis' vs 'actual time on the sideline'.

Kade Kolodjashnij not on the list? Has he recovered?

 

[booshboy]

The injury update for AVB really didnt sound promising at all..

 

[Djcjdees]

Doesn't make any sense. May is progressing (according to Misson's comments) but is now a further week away. Potentially 4 weeks away three weeks after he was expected to miss three games. If he's had a setback then so be it but be transparent.

Spot on. That's basically the reason for me focusing so much on our injury management this season. The way the information is presented to the major stakeholder in the club is just so bad. Anyone with simple recollection or rudimentary comprehension can see straight through the blatant lies they tell. If someone is injured, bloody well say so. There is clearly something going on. Like they are trying to keep opposition sides guessing or something because we even travel with clearly injured players (Jetta for example). Someone will reply and say we must have thought he might get up but I have my doubts. Just look at that table. Some of their prognoses literally haven't changed since early March. So either:

1. We are absolutely terrible at predicting how long a given injury is meant to keep someone sidelined
2. Every player that gets injured on our list is really unlucky and has unforeseen complications that keep happening every fortnight
3. We are just really bad at managing injuries
4. We are deliberately lying about how bad the injuries are when it happens for some weird reason

If we lose to the Saints, I think putting the cue in the rack would probably be the smart thing to do. Without a fit and firing May/Lever combo, we won't be going deep into September. If we can somehow get to a 5-5 situation, then i think you'll see an extra push to get May and Lever going. I don't think there's a rush on either right now. Both need to get fit. Get them in the team for the last 6 weeks to build up some chemistry..

Yeah I've been saying this for a while, once I realised the above (that none of these players seem to be getting any closer to a game week after week).

Kade Kolodjashnij not on the list? Has he recovered?

Yeah he's a weird one. He never actually made it to the list. Pretty sure he is meant to be on there because he is still recovering from concussion.

We'll be accused of tanking again, but I'd rather all these surgeries happening in June than January.

 

[Jon Koncak]

Anyone heard what the reports re: Viney to undergo scans and could miss 1-5 weeks are about, if anything? Foot?

 

[Djcjdees]

Anyone heard what the reports re: Viney to undergo scans and could miss 1-5 weeks are about, if anything? Foot?

Would not be surprised in the least. In fact I've been saying since round one that he's clearly injured.

I hold grave fears for his career when we can't get him right after a 5 month off season, particularly when he was injured or thereabouts for most of last year too!

TMac is another who clearly looks hampered and yet out he trots every week, lumbering around and failing to get to contests.

Our injury management is borderline negligent, at least from the outside. But that's all we can go off because the club straight up lies to us about the extent of these injuries, as I've proven with my posts above.

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