Opinion Is Jack Macrae Overrated?

[WillHayward]

Macrae was one of the only reasons in this game Dogs were close.

He could've had what 3/4 goal assists in a quarter if the Dogs could kick and ended up with
35 touches 22 kicks 13 handballs
16 contested at 80% DE
6 intercepts
1 behind
2 goal assists (as i said he had 3/4 opportunities where he hit targets inside 50 but they just couldn't convert).
11 score involvements.
562 metres gained
5 clearances
2 tackles
8 inside 50s

Are you his mum or manager or something?

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Are you his mum or manager or something?

Nah just don't understand the point in undervaluing good players, happens often.

 

[Juddernaut08]

Macrae was one of the Dogs best last night. His surge of touches came when the dogs were making a charge, so he certainly correlates with winning.

His knock IMO is that he appears to have very tidy disposal, but generally very safe or short options. Give me 25 Bont dangerous and creative touches over 35 tidy but boring Macrae touches.

 

[Iceman!]

Macrae was one of the Dogs best last night. His surge of touches came when the dogs were making a charge, so he certainly correlates with winning.

His knock IMO is that he appears to have very tidy disposal, but generally very safe or short options. Give me 25 Bont dangerous and creative touches over 35 tidy but boring Macrae touches.

Now this is not directed at you because you haven't done it but i will use that last sentence to highlight a gripe i have with a lot of footy fans at the moment.

I so often hear how overrated Macrae, Neale, Mitchell etc are and they always go back to a similar comment.

'Give me 20 Bont touches over 35 Macrae touches'

'Give me 20 Dusty touches over 35 Mitchell touches'

How many footy fans rate Macrae over Bont?

How many rate Mitchell over Dusty?

How many rate Neale over Petracca?

I would suggest very very few, so where does the overrated tag come from on these guys? They all seem to be pretty accurately rated to me.

 

[Iceman!]

Incase anyone thinks I was trolling....

How do you explain that?

That's Carlton basically saying we don't give a shit about you......go do your thing.

Genuinely embarrassing if you aren't trolling... Walsh came off Macrae to contest Bont and give Cripps a free run at it

It is not about not rating Macrae, it is about letting one of the best stoppage players in the comp have the best chance to impact the contest. And he did they went on to get the clearance through Cripps.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Hang crap on MacRae all you want, supporters of every club, including OP, would love to have him on their team.

Thread does seem to tinge a bit of tall Poppy syndrome about it.

 

[Bostonian]

Nope.

 

[Dan]

Genuinely embarrassing if you aren't trolling... Walsh came off Macrae to contest Bont and give Cripps a free run at it

It is not about not rating Macrae, it is about letting one of the best stoppage players in the comp have the best chance to impact the contest. And he did they went on to get the clearance through Cripps.

No guarantee that Bont would have left Cripps but he did in that instance.

More to the point....Walsh has made the decision to leave Macrae on his own.

Do honestly think that was the only instance in which Macrae was left unattended at a stoppage?

 

[Iceman!]

No guarantee that Bont would have left Cripps but he did in that instance.

More to the point....Walsh has made the decision to leave Macrae on his own.

Do honestly think that was the only instance in which Macrae was left unattended at a stoppage?

You highlighted a specific play, i responded to it.

He was very good again last night, in the top handful players on the ground as he is most weeks.

 

[Dan]

Also regarding assists, a score assist is defined by CD as either the immediate disposal, knock-on, ground kick or hitout prior to the score. They are not to be confused with score involvements is defined as any of the former in a chain to a score.

Here are the top 5 score assist players over the past five seasons (2018 onwards)...

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Some pretty nice company for Macrae.

Good numbers among some very talented footballers.

But of those 5.....Macrae's role is the easiest of the group.

Take Martin for example - This is a contested and outside player that can kick goals as a mid and play as an actual forward. He deals with opposition attention in form of a tag and is rarely by himself at stoppages...and it goes without saying that he has a defender on him when playing forward.

So this is a player that not only contributes in a multitude of ways for his team (including the stats you've shown) but does it whilst getting the attention of the opposition.

Macrae doesn't get tagged, and at times is left unattended at stoppages.

What Martin does and has to deal with is a lot harder of job than what Macrae does. And the same can be said for those other players in that stats box.

It is what it is.

 

[BarryMorgan]

Good numbers among some very talented footballers.

But of those 5.....Macrae's role is the easiest of the group.

Take Martin for example - This is a contested and outside player that can kick goals as a mid and play as an actual forward. He deals with opposition attention in form of a tag and is rarely by himself at stoppages...and it goes without saying that he has a defender on him when playing forward.

So this is a player that not only contributes in a multitude of ways for his team (including the stats you've shown) but does it whilst getting the attention of the opposition.

Macrae doesn't get tagged, and at times is left unattended at stoppages.

What Martin does and has to deal with is a lot harder of job than what Macrae does. And the same can be said for those other players in that stats box.

It is what it is.

Ah yes, Jackson Macrae isn’t as good as one of the best players of all time - therefore, he is overrated.

 

[Dan]

Ah yes, Jackson Macrae isn’t as good as one of the best players of all time - therefore, he is overrated.

You're missing the point.

 

[Dazb86]

Now this is not directed at you because you haven't done it but i will use that last sentence to highlight a gripe i have with a lot of footy fans at the moment.

I so often hear how overrated Macrae, Neale, Mitchell etc are and they always go back to a similar comment.

'Give me 20 Bont touches over 35 Macrae touches'

'Give me 20 Dusty touches over 35 Mitchell touches'

How many footy fans rate Macrae over Bont?

How many rate Mitchell over Dusty?

How many rate Neale over Petracca?

I would suggest very very few, so where does the overrated tag come from on these guys? They all seem to be pretty accurately rated to me.

It's the supercoach points

 

[schmuttt]

I do.

Just so you realise, Clangers are kicks that go straight to the opposition.

Incorrect, a clanger is a bunch of different categories. Direct turnovers, frees against, 50m penalties against.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Now this is not directed at you because you haven't done it but i will use that last sentence to highlight a gripe i have with a lot of footy fans at the moment.

I so often hear how overrated Macrae, Neale, Mitchell etc are and they always go back to a similar comment.

'Give me 20 Bont touches over 35 Macrae touches'

'Give me 20 Dusty touches over 35 Mitchell touches'

How many footy fans rate Macrae over Bont?

How many rate Mitchell over Dusty?

How many rate Neale over Petracca?

I would suggest very very few, so where does the overrated tag come from on these guys? They all seem to be pretty accurately rated to me.

Don't even think that's the issue. People say that 20-25 touches from Bont, Petracca and Dusty are more effective when especially nowadays that isn't true. The reason Macrae, Titch are so good is because of their ability to win the footy, taking that away just to make a point is pointless. They're dangerous and as damaging but do it in different ways, usually over 4 quarters rather than bursts.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Incorrect, a clanger is a bunch of different categories. Direct turnovers, frees against, 50m penalties against.

If you'd read after that you'd realise i got it wrong

But it was alot of his clangers, he had 12 and half were by boot, frees against were about 5.

50m arent tho pre sure.

 

[Smithdogmaddog]

He's like Corey Enright , called under rated that much he actually becomes over rated haha

 

[Dewyyyyy]

He's like Corey Enright , called under rated that much he actually becomes over rated haha

Corey Enright is probably still underrated. People forget how much of a ****ing gun he was.

But to the point, Macrae isn't underrated but he can be overhated and is properly rated by alot of good footballing minds as one of the best in the comp.

 

[schmuttt]

If you'd read after that you'd realise i got it wrong

But it was alot of his clangers, he had 12 and half were by boot, frees against were about 5.

50m arent tho pre sure.

He had 5 direct turnovers, whether by hand or foot you'd have to go back and rewatch the game. Not sure why we're fixating on five direct turnovers out of 32 disposals, that seems pretty good in my books.

 

[Beer n Skittles]

Because, it's a structure.

It's kinda like a sweeper.

Every team does it and it's not because the oppo doesn't rate them, in the first bounce, the two "alone" were the two best players on the night. Macrae and Cripps.

Can you not see Bontempelli next to Cripps? Looks like they were willing to leave Macrae unmanned in order to double team Bont

 

[Dewyyyyy]

He had 5 direct turnovers, whether by hand or foot you'd have to go back and rewatch the game. Not sure why we're fixating on five direct turnovers out of 32 disposals, that seems pretty good in my books.

I think it's bad because it adds onto the freekicks.

But we aren't here to talk Clarry! he's a star.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Can you not see Bontempelli next to Cripps? Looks like they were willing to leave Macrae unmanned in order to double team Bont

No, Cripps was left unattended because Walsh moved around to get Bont. If you watched it.

It's structure.

 

[Trav 20]

If you'd read after that you'd realise i got it wrong

But it was alot of his clangers, he had 12 and half were by boot, frees against were about 5.

50m arent tho pre sure.

You still can't get it right.

He had 7 frees against, not ''5''.

So he's had 5 disposal errors. Errors that could include handballs out of congestion that missed their target. When you're the no.1 contested possession player in the game you're working in the coalface and it's going to happen.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

You still can't get it right.

He had 7 frees against, not ''5''.

So he's had 5 disposal errors. Errors that could include handballs out of congestion that missed their target. When you're the no.1 contested possession player in the game you're working in the coalface and it's going to happen.

“About”.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

You still can't get it right.

He had 7 frees against, not ''5''.

So he's had 5 disposal errors. Errors that could include handballs out of congestion that missed their target. When you're the no.1 contested possession player in the game you're working in the coalface and it's going to happen.

5 clangers through pure disposal error isn’t good. It’s pretty shocking.

To go with that he gave away 7 free kicks.

But it doesn’t matter since he’s not Macrae so.