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He also kicked 3 against the crows in which case well , Adelaide are better than those 3 teams.Lance Franklin
Brisbane 8 goals
Carlton 10 goals
Essendon 0.6
Richmond 1.1
Geelong 1.1
so you are talking about Buddy right?
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Is Josh Kennedy the best tall forward in the game?
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This thread is pretty predictable.
Kennedy kicks 80, Franklin kicks 47 - people make excuses for Franklin not playing
Kennedy wins second Coleman - it's not just about kicking goals
Kennedy on track for 3rd Coleman in a row missing 5 games - it's not just about kicking goals, he's just a stay at home forward
Franklin kicks 10 in the last round to win Coleman - ha told you he was the best he won the Coleman
Even if Kennedy did manage to kick 6 against the Crows the usual suspects still wouldn't have given him any credit, despite frothing over Franklin kicking 10 against witches hats.
In a parallel universe where Kennedy kicks 10 against Carlton in the last round to overtake Franklin who kicks 1.4 against Adelaide all we'd be hearing is how Kennedy only kicks goals against shit sides etc.
Franklin finished the year with 51/69 goals against bottom 10 sides (74%), Kennedy 47/65 (72%). It's funny how these sort of things matter selectively. I think both players had good seasons, but it's a shame that Kennedy was injured for 5 games. Sad that some people don't want to acknowledge good players. Zero complaints from me that Franklin won the Coleman, he kicked the most goals. I'm rapt for Kennedy to get so close playing 17.
Kennedy kicks 80, Franklin kicks 47 - people make excuses for Franklin not playing
Kennedy wins second Coleman - it's not just about kicking goals
Kennedy on track for 3rd Coleman in a row missing 5 games - it's not just about kicking goals, he's just a stay at home forward
Franklin kicks 10 in the last round to win Coleman - ha told you he was the best he won the Coleman
Even if Kennedy did manage to kick 6 against the Crows the usual suspects still wouldn't have given him any credit, despite frothing over Franklin kicking 10 against witches hats.
In a parallel universe where Kennedy kicks 10 against Carlton in the last round to overtake Franklin who kicks 1.4 against Adelaide all we'd be hearing is how Kennedy only kicks goals against shit sides etc.
Franklin finished the year with 51/69 goals against bottom 10 sides (74%), Kennedy 47/65 (72%). It's funny how these sort of things matter selectively. I think both players had good seasons, but it's a shame that Kennedy was injured for 5 games. Sad that some people don't want to acknowledge good players. Zero complaints from me that Franklin won the Coleman, he kicked the most goals. I'm rapt for Kennedy to get so close playing 17.
Both Joe and Kennedy got spooked by Buddys 10 goals.
Ironic you mentioned bottom sides - Kennedy's best hauls of 7 came against North, and then 6 (x4) came against Dockers, Magpies, Lions and Blues - not exactly top 8 teamsThe irony that Kennedy probably won't win the Coleman because Franklin kicked 10 against a bottom side.
He's not without a chance having kicked 6 goals 3 times in the last 5 games, but it's a big ask.
Geez I wonder what odds you could've got before the round started that Kennedy wouldn't win the Coleman and West Coast would make finals...
And you think Buddy doesn't put the same effort in week-in-week-out? Have you seen the delivery that our midfield gives Buddy? Basis your theory if we had a midfield capable of hitting buddy lace out he would kick 10+ every week!
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Both played in games that weren't conducive to kicking 10 goals.
Plenty of players missed Brownlow's, Coleman's and even premierships because of injury, its football it happens.
For someone who has zero complaints about buddy winning your post suggests you've taken it pretty personally using terms like 'frothing' and 'witches hats'.
No-one is not acknowledging that Kennedy is not a good player.
If you go back to the OP, even if JK won the Coleman he is still not the best TALL forward in the game, Buddy has him well covered by what he can do outside F50 ... if the OP asked is he the 'best stay at home' or 'FF' then I would definitely agree.
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Yes and Kennedy is just a flat track bully who feasts on bottom 10 sides, hence the post.
He's not fit to tie the boot laces of Franklin who kicked 10 against Carlton, 8 against Brisbane, 5 against Hawthorn and 4 against Bulldogs, St Kilda, Melbourne and Freo.
None of this proves anything other than people see what they want to see.
Franklin is the best key forward in the game no doubt now. See what happens when he is played deep, he kicks bags of goals
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The OP is from April 2015.
Was Franklin the best tall forward in the game in 2015?
The number of people who can't distinguish between seasons and careers is scary. I don't think anyone ever has suggested Kennedy has had the better career, yet people keep bringing it up. Judd is the best midfielder I've seen but he ceased being the best midfielder in the game by 2007. I wouldn't pick Priddis over Judd because Priddis had a better 2014.
Franklin's stats outside the F50 are getting blown out of proportion anyway. Franklin this season gets roughly 17 touches 3 goals a game. Kidding yourself if you think John Longmire wouldn't trade that for 13-14 and 4 goals a game. Again it's selectively focusing one an aspect.
Until GAJ came along, Judd was very good but GAJ was/is special just like Buddy...
For the record, Buddy was the best tall forward in the game in 2015 and he continues to be to this day.
You are being selective by focusing solely on goals kicked.
I think your kidding yourself, if Longmire wanted him to be a 13-14 pos / 4 game player he would just leave him in the F50. Obviously Longmire prefers his 17 pos / 3 goal game with a greater contribution in inside 50's, clearances, tackles, uncontested possessions and goal assists etc.
I think you seriously under estimate Buddy's impact outside F50.
LOL its almost as funny as west coast supporters saying JK gets poor service from a midfield that contains 2 brownlow medallist in it ...
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Something something JK is a flat track bully and Buddy isn't...
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Yeah, 81 vs 47 goals does that. Those 1.4 possessions a game, though...
Franklin was the best tall forward in 2005, too. In fact he was the best tall forward in 1993 as well. Sure he was only 6 and 3 players kicked 100+, but he was still the best.
LOL its almost as funny as west coast supporters saying JK gets poor service from a midfield that contains 2 brownlow medallist in it ...
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LOL its almost as funny as west coast supporters saying JK gets poor service from a midfield that contains 2 brownlow medallist in it ...
You clearly have never seen Priddis kick in his career....
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You could throw a blanket over Kennedy, Franklin, Daniher and Brown at the moment, but Brown can play down back just as well as he can play forward.
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Kennedy is the best ff in the league no doubt, buddy is the better forward and and a far superior all round player
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You really can't 'throw a blanket over' one of the best players ever in the modern game, one of the best full forwards in recent history and two guys having their first decent year (while still trailing the aforementioned two).
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Kennedy is a tremendous goal kicker, nearly unstoppable when hes on, but he shat his dacks in the 4th qtr on the weekend
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Haven't seen Buddy choke in a big moment and cost his team an important game have we
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Sort of mute argument, Lance Franklin is a better player and is also a tall forward therefore is the better tall forward, despite being a different kind than Kennedy.
That being said all the knocking down of Kennedy being used to put him below Buddy is ridiculous - you can still be an elite player and not be as good as Lance Franklin. The downhill skiier argument is silly as Kennedy kicked a higher percentage of his goals against top 8 sides than Franklin this year.
The argument that he doesn't stand up in important games is only half true - you need a hard, effective midfield to win big games and JK has never played with one - Buddy on the other hand has always played forward of above average midfields and due to a more versatile skill set than Kennedy is able to threaten in the midfield when things aren't going his way.
And as for Kennedy 'shitting himself' against Adelaide - he's never kicked 7 behinds in a match (which Buddy has a few times, ignoring the 11 back in 07).
That all being said I do think Buddy has had the better season - he's evolved himself as a player the last few years, improving set shot accuracy and capitalising on his effectiveness in the 100-50m from goal range to make himself more damaging for his team overall than when he was kicking more goals. JK however is a better contested mark and set shot in general, making him a less wasteful option to kick to as a goalsquare type forward.
Both are fantastic tall forwards that specialise in different things and have had their teams mould their positions to suit that, Buddy specialises in more of a range of aspects and certainly rarer ones which makes him better.
That being said all the knocking down of Kennedy being used to put him below Buddy is ridiculous - you can still be an elite player and not be as good as Lance Franklin. The downhill skiier argument is silly as Kennedy kicked a higher percentage of his goals against top 8 sides than Franklin this year.
The argument that he doesn't stand up in important games is only half true - you need a hard, effective midfield to win big games and JK has never played with one - Buddy on the other hand has always played forward of above average midfields and due to a more versatile skill set than Kennedy is able to threaten in the midfield when things aren't going his way.
And as for Kennedy 'shitting himself' against Adelaide - he's never kicked 7 behinds in a match (which Buddy has a few times, ignoring the 11 back in 07).
That all being said I do think Buddy has had the better season - he's evolved himself as a player the last few years, improving set shot accuracy and capitalising on his effectiveness in the 100-50m from goal range to make himself more damaging for his team overall than when he was kicking more goals. JK however is a better contested mark and set shot in general, making him a less wasteful option to kick to as a goalsquare type forward.
Both are fantastic tall forwards that specialise in different things and have had their teams mould their positions to suit that, Buddy specialises in more of a range of aspects and certainly rarer ones which makes him better.
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Also a side note is that Alistair Clarkson (greatest footy mind of the past 10 years) in one of those AFL.com Grill interviews said if he could take any player in the league (not any forward, any player), he'd take the WC Josh Kennedy.
"Big presence, great player" I think were his words - this was a year or two ago I think so Hawthorn still in full premiership mode and JK not even having won his second Coleman and coming very close this season. Very glowing endorsement from a guy who probably knows more than most of us on here
"Big presence, great player" I think were his words - this was a year or two ago I think so Hawthorn still in full premiership mode and JK not even having won his second Coleman and coming very close this season. Very glowing endorsement from a guy who probably knows more than most of us on here
Kennedy is the better player in terms of consistency.
Buddy had the better game even if it was against a mediocre opposition.
Great effort I say and we'll deserved recognition for kicking the most goals for the year
Buddy had the better game even if it was against a mediocre opposition.
Great effort I say and we'll deserved recognition for kicking the most goals for the year
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