Is Ratten in trouble?

[TheHeatleyStand]

It wasn't long before this bullshit started again.

LOL at using so many exlamation marks, full stops and text lines to try and inflate your sense of self-importance.

You are one sad, sad individual.

why dont you argue the point ???

cos u cant???

who has been turned into an elite footballer at carlton???

whats the gameplan???

why were we chipping the football around when it didnt suit us?

why do we use so many taggers???

why was eddie our CHF????

why was Warnock playing for the bullants for so long???

why was Kreuzer being flogged in the ruck even though he was tired??

why do we come out flat in the first quarter of almost every game?

why do we concede so many goals in the last 5 mins of a quarter?

who does Ratten talk about helping juddy by bringing in McLean...???

Does every player need an assistant???.....why is the emphasis not on team football... with every player helping every other player???

why do so many of our supporters believe Ratten needs a coach to hold his hand???

Oh so many questions...!!!

and all you can do is pathetically knock me for raising some very salient points??

Poor you!!!

 

[Jeremias]

Yawn. Same shit each and every time.

Even if I did argue, you'd come back in a few weeks and go on another rant.

Try Bay 13 where you can use your superior intellect to advantage.

 

[krayfesh]

I thought he was knocking your inability to stick with one question mark. Or one exclamation point. Or one period. (lol) You also kill ellipsis.

Do we use so many taggers? Defensive forward and Joseph and Carazzo. Unless you count defenders as taggers.

Ratten said we were going to be working on defensive football and playing tempo/chipping style is a part of that.

Henderson was our CHF. So was Setanta for a while. Eddie played a lead up role but also crumbed a lot of his goals.

Kreuzer wasn't flogged in the ruck.

Starting matches flat is a player problem, not a coach. I'll yell at them during preseason for you.

I don't know what you're talking about when you talk about every player needing an assistant.

Also, of course we're trying to play team football. Every team in the league has a team football mentality.

It doesn't mean I think Ratten will coach us to a premiership. I just want you to make better points.

 

[Styxx]

why dont you argue the point ???

cos u cant???

who has been turned into an elite footballer at carlton???

whats the gameplan???

why were we chipping the football around when it didnt suit us?

why do we use so many taggers???

why was eddie our CHF????

why was Warnock playing for the bullants for so long???

why was Kreuzer being flogged in the ruck even though he was tired??

why do we come out flat in the first quarter of almost every game?

why do we concede so many goals in the last 5 mins of a quarter?

who does Ratten talk about helping juddy by bringing in McLean...???

Does every player need an assistant???.....why is the emphasis not on team football... with every player helping every other player???

why do so many of our supporters believe Ratten needs a coach to hold his hand???

Oh so many questions...!!!

and all you can do is pathetically knock me for raising some very salient points??

Poor you!!!

Just going to answer the ones that can be answered to an insane piece of demolished concrete.

Warnock was playing Bullants because after 12 months off battling chronic and serious injury he needed to rid himself of the rust so he could play AFL level football. His tremendous improvement later in the year was all the evidence you need.

Betts was our CHF? I'm sorry but again off the mark by a mile. You're logic is telling me a guy who can't accurately kick from 40+ out was at CHF! I'm pretty sure you mean Henderson.

Yes every player needs an assisstant...actually they need 21 of them to help carry a team sized load to win games.


Also I don't think Kreuze was tired...or do you think his knee blowing out was his way of asking for a rest?

 

[WeninRome]

The pure fact that Ratten called Brown personally during the week to hire him, would seem that Ratten has plently of authority at the club and the assistant coaches are only being appointed following his approval.

I think he will coach for all of 2011 but if we go out of the finals in straight sets again then we may well be welcoming a new one in 2012...which is fair enough.

 

[40yearBLUE]

Of cours ei expected Carlton to make the eight this year.
The role of a coach is to get the team playing at its maximum collectively and individualy.

The brownlow showed us how our players were all playing to their max.

Judd... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> country mile....>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everybody else.

If you can show me how we had a group of players making huge strides in improvment to be top liners... and how we had a gameplan that was coming together... id call you delusional.

Swans and Freo should have been behind us... Swans lost a swag of players... and Bradshaw didnt play.

Freo had some pretty big injuries and were bottom 2 for the last couple of seasons.

Yes were too young..... on that basis StKilda should have won the flag right????

Reid and Browne >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jameson Bower Thornton.

Pendlebury Thomas Wellingham and Beams >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our mids.


Rattens mentality... "we need to find someone to help Juddy".... surely yhr only coah in the league that says a singular player needs an assistant??

Malthouse never said "We need to find someone to help Swanny"... he said we need someone for the midfield in and under and got Ball.

At Collingwood they dont individualise the team... its a group effort.. all expected to work hard for the team... young or not...
with us its give it to Juddy... bomb it to Eddie...

Poor Eddie... shortest CHF in the history of the game...

and his goals????... the Ratten goals... he sets them to low...
means 2 things... he can reach them.... but theyre not overly challenging.

Players arent challenged to any greatness.

He is soooooooooo mundane and average it isnt funny.

And his tactics are sooo outdated.... the only coach to use 7 or 8 taggers each week.... all playing reactive footy... cos theyre watching their man....leaving 10 players playing footy... while the opposition might have 2 taggers.. leaving 16 men hunting the ball vs 10.

Our players often get jumped in the first quarters just after receiving their last instructions.... then playing catch up footy.

We would be lost without judd.

Gibbs on the last line of defence would have opposition coaches in stitches..

Warnock in the ressies for most of the year at Kramer street oval was just genius.

and at the end of the sseason we had around 10 players wanting to leave the Carlton footy club and asking for transfers.

Now i doubt we had that many requesting trades during the Pagan years.

Youd wanna be thinking that right now... the club would have players wanting to come to us.. not wanting to leave.

But there is no line to come to us either...

try joining the dots.

So riddled with inaccuracies and too stupid for words. So I wont bother:

 

[ESKIE]

No if we won the GF by 10 points id be doing hand stands.
But we wont win a GF by 10 points.. cos were miles off the pace set by Collingwood and their "younger than the baby bombers 93 premiership winning team".

there are a few players not happy... thats just fact....
i dont need to spoon feed you.



i have my sources,

Lets see if what i say about the board situation is right or wrong too...

Brennan wanted to come to Carlton .. so did Tarrant....???

lol

So why is one already signed to GC and the other says he will retire if collingwood dont take him???

Face facts buddy!!!

Players want to leave not come....

but thats really amazing.. cos we have a great club... and this great club has a grewat president and a great coach... why would anyone want to leave????

Right???

and why wouldnt players want to come....

right???

Again.. without Judd were totally lost.....

The team has not been taught to play evenly.

and yes... we have wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too many taggers.

And if you are happy as larry with a very ordinary Carlton.... thats your business.

Im not!!!

There wasnt a hell of alot to beat in 2010.. yet we just scraped into the eight... a 50/50% chance

You really need to stop putting people down who disagree with you and there are plenty, I;ve read through your posts and they are rambling.

Any group be it sport, work enviroment etc have disagreements at no doubt happens at all other AFL clubs...the team looked pretty unified against Sydney, Ratten has his deficiencies, but all coaches do.

Carlton hire some quality coaches and suddenly all these numpties start up threads Ratts in trouble, Anyone worried....can it stay in one thread

You;re an attention seeking twit and I agree with 30 Year Blue !!

time this thread was locked.

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

You really need to stop putting people down who disagree with you and there are plenty, I;ve read through your posts and they are rambling.

Any group be it sport, work enviroment etc have disagreements at no doubt happens at all other AFL clubs...the team looked pretty unified against Sydney, Ratten has his deficiencies, but all coaches do.

Carlton hire some quality coaches and suddenly all these numpties start up threads Ratts in trouble, Anyone worried....can it stay in one thread

You;re an attention seeking twit and I agree with 30 Year Blue !!

time this thread was locked.

Listen you and numpty 30 year blue are the people putting people down.

Ratten had a group of coaches surrounding him that were no challenge to him.
They had no ideas... and theyre for the most part all gone.

So that was succesful coaching and coaching set ups was it??

The proof was in the pudding... or they would have stayed on.

Coaching wise we have been miles of the pace.

so we have gone into collingwoods structures and taken a couple of their creations hoping to fix things.

But 30 year old Blue posting a photo of himself resembling a tool makes him full of himself in my eyes.

PS he should tell me whats inaccurate....

if he can.......

 

[Fastcrew]

Richardson and Brown's appointment will only benefit the club and is a sign that ratten is trying to improve. I personally don't believe he is on shaky ground but if he is he is taking the right approach to turning things around.

Also most people are saying that he has to improve next year, he doens't have a gameplan. You could pick apart any coach and give them a scenario we they get sacked at the end of the year. So do not single ratts out and make problems that do not exist. You are being neagtive by thinking he will get sacked from something that has not even happened yet.

lets not make our own problems and when commenting on hypotheticals try and side with what is most likely going to happen. If we come 9th next year, i doubt ratts will get sacked and will instead be like bomber thompson in 06 as in he will get at least another year but no fairytale premiership.

So please just some more realsim in everyones thinking would be appreciated.

 

[Doug Deep]

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

I thought he was knocking your inability to stick with one question mark. Or one exclamation point. Or one period. (lol) You also kill ellipsis.

Do we use so many taggers? Defensive forward and Joseph and Carazzo. Unless you count defenders as taggers.

Ratten said we were going to be working on defensive football and playing tempo/chipping style is a part of that.

Henderson was our CHF. So was Setanta for a while. Eddie played a lead up role but also crumbed a lot of his goals.

Kreuzer wasn't flogged in the ruck.

Starting matches flat is a player problem, not a coach. I'll yell at them during preseason for you.

I don't know what you're talking about when you talk about every player needing an assistant.

Also, of course we're trying to play team football. Every team in the league has a team football mentality.

It doesn't mean I think Ratten will coach us to a premiership. I just want you to make better points.

Ellard tagger
Armfield Tagger
Joseph Tagger
Carazzo tagger
Russell tagger
Gibbs tagger.
Walker in the forward line as a tagger...
a swag of others tagging as they played as welll... eg Houlihan..

Ps doesnt Ratts know the game is not about tagging anymore but about running and spreading both ways?




Im sure we can think of one or two others all in the one game with tagging roles against the Swans.

Pathetic wasnt it.. and a refelection on the season and Ratten coaching method.
Tagging everything that moved for the Swans.
Now throw in the key defenders... and in effect you have about 5 guys hunting the ball.



Oh Henderson was our CHF was he? Watch the first half of the season and see how many times the ball was bombed long to a 5ft 7" Eddie's head...!!!


Thats the brilliant intellect and understanding Ratten possesess in the modern game........ tag the shit out of the opposition.

Defensively we have no idea..... cos were relying on tags.... so when were tagging our layers are reactive to the man they tag... its sooo easy for the opposition to move our players away from the ball when theyre going forward using the tactics we use... this makes it a nightmare for blokes like Jamo .

For Rattens information.... the first line of defence is the full forward line... they must work in a team orientated phalanx to pressure the opposition into turning the ball over... when they turn the ball over.. their players are out of position and our forward line opens up.

We just have Hendo or Waite floating back to try pug holes in our defence.. open cos our players are too busy watching men and being dragged away from the hotspot... then when we have the ball.. we have no targets to kick to up forward.. as players have been drifting too far back too help out a disorganised defence.

this has been happening for years.. unremedied.!!

But yeah... hes a genius!!!

lol

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

"every player needing an assistant"?

well didnt Ratten say we got McLean to help Judd?
Why does judd need an assistant to play the game? im sure judd was embrassed.

Isnt it the role of EVERY player to work together in a cohesive manner???

Why does judd need a mclean to play footy? why does ratts need to mention this?

why does malthose say we need "a ball kind of player inside player"..for the team... why doesnt he single our pendlebury or swann.. and say pendles or swann need an inside helper???

Cos its agroup effort.. with all players challenged.. and all players fitting into a team gameplan.. no matter who they are!!!

thats why!!!

ratten focus on individuals.... or a kpp... or something... not a team defence... or a team offence...

its judd... or its betts.. or the three amigos..

he individualises too much.

the game is about a team with all players playing a role!!!

im not sure you understand the modern game...

its not about man on man..... zac dawson and gwilt and blake are not guns...!!!

but they play a team role to the standard the team needs to play as best they can!!!

the good sxides play as a collective unit....

there is no searching high and wide for a man to help out judd... thats everybody's role...

 

[krayfesh]

Ellard tagger
Armfield Tagger Defender
Joseph Tagger
Carazzo tagger
Russell tagger Defender
Gibbs tagger. Defender
Walker in the forward line as a tagger... Exactly like I said.
a swag of others tagging as they played as welll... eg Houlihan.. Playing the forward tagging role. Just like I said.

Two taggers. Forward tagging role. Just like I said. Wow. Ellard did a lot of great work in the clearances as well. All the players you listed get lots of the ball.

Ps doesnt Ratts know the game is not about tagging anymore but about running and spreading both ways?

Who doesn't know this? You're clutched onto this million taggers play and think it changes everything. 3 taggers at most. Players run and spread. We're good at it.



Im sure we can think of one or two others all in the one game with tagging roles against the Swans.

Pathetic wasnt it.. and a refelection on the season and Ratten coaching method.
Tagging everything that moved for the Swans.
Now throw in the key defenders... and in effect you have about 5 guys hunting the ball.

I know Walker tagged Kennelly/Mattner at different points. Jude Bolton didn't do much either. Stopping dangerous players is really revolutionary.

Oh Henderson was our CHF was he? Watch the first half of the season and see how many times the ball was bombed long to a 5ft 7" Eddie's head...!!!

That's the players problem. Also, Hendo was in and out of the side a lot in the early parts of the season. Setanta was there though and kicked 20-odd goals.


Thats the brilliant intellect and understanding Ratten possesess in the modern game........ tag the shit out of the opposition.

Defensively we have no idea..... cos were relying on tags.... so when were tagging our layers are reactive to the man they tag... its sooo easy for the opposition to move our players away from the ball when theyre going forward using the tactics we use... this makes it a nightmare for blokes like Jamo .

Still on the tagging thing. Which is wrong.

For Rattens information.... the first line of defence is the full forward line... they must work in a team orientated phalanx to pressure the opposition into turning the ball over... when they turn the ball over.. their players are out of position and our forward line opens up.

We were all about the forward pressure this year. It's why Fisher never got a game and why we spent so long with the 3 amigos in the forward line. If you want to complain about something, at least say something true, like forward structure running out of defence.

We just have Hendo or Waite floating back to try pug holes in our defence.. open cos our players are too busy watching men and being dragged away from the hotspot... then when we have the ball.. we have no targets to kick to up forward.. as players have been drifting too far back too help out a disorganised defence.

Hendo going back in the last couple of minutes of quarters is great and it's good that we have that sort of versatility. The last couple of minutes always killed us and you need to work on this sort of stuff.

this has been happening for years.. unremedied.!!

No it hasn't.

But yeah... hes a genius!!!

Didn't say that. In fact, I stressed that my arguments didn't mean I thought Ratten would coach us to a premiership.

lol

Hahahahahahahahahahaha!

Comments in bold.

Seriously, make an argument that isn't wrong. Just do that for me.

Congratulations on limiting your punctuation.

 

[Aphrodite]

"every player needing an assistant"?

well didnt Ratten say we got McLean to help Judd?
Why does judd need an assistant to play the game? im sure judd was embrassed.

Isnt it the role of EVERY player to work together in a cohesive manner???

Why does judd need a mclean to play footy? why does ratts need to mention this?

why does malthose say we need "a ball kind of player inside player"..for the team... why doesnt he single our pendlebury or swann.. and say pendles or swann need an inside helper???

Cos its agroup effort.. with all players challenged.. and all players fitting into a team gameplan.. no matter who they are!!!

thats why!!!

ratten focus on individuals.... or a kpp... or something... not a team defence... or a team offence...

its judd... or its betts.. or the three amigos..

he individualises too much.

the game is about a team with all players playing a role!!!

im not sure you understand the modern game...

its not about man on man..... zac dawson and gwilt and blake are not guns...!!!

but they play a team role to the standard the team needs to play as best they can!!!

the good sxides play as a collective unit....

there is no searching high and wide for a man to help out judd... thats everybody's role...

Is that you Synbad !!!!!!!!!!

 

[CUG81]

My two cents....

Ratts is still learning, as are many of our young players, the likes of gibbs, murphy, kruz included.

We should have beaten Sydney in that final, experienced players missed easy opportunities and we may have been talking differnetly about ratts now.

Nonetheless, this season i want to see smarter moves made by Ratts. Not just throwing simmo up in that forward line...or playing robinson on fletcher...we need to see him make the moves to change the game in carlton's favour, be more active than reactive as such.

Is ratts the best coach out there..far from it...can we do better, yes we can...but who is there? i think bringing in others into the coaching staff who are not a part of the blue clan is a very smart move and will help him.

I think our players have a lot to answer for also, many young stars did let us down this year, and i dont think we can just blame ratts for it.

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

Comments in bold.

Seriously, make an argument that isn't wrong. Just do that for me.

Congratulations on limiting your punctuation.

Forward line pressure and team frontal rpressure is totally different.

Are you thinking of Aaron Davey circa 2005 or something??? lol

Think of Collingwood and StKilda .....

are you following whats going on or just a few years behind the game???

Henderson and Waite cant be in the backline blocking holes.. if our non midfield players are there... right?

Like a gilbert type... or the way OBrien and Maxwell play....

Look id like to agree with you...... about stuff.... but im seeing alot of stuff you dont see in the modern game... so its very difficult for me to agree with you cos id be lying ....

The game isnt played with a heap of taggers and forwards running into the backline to block holes cos the taggers have been run away from position ...

Thats just sooooooooooo old hat!!!....

its been happening to us for a long time.. youd think we would learn...!!1

but sadly no...

we just add more players to defence...

(Gibbs)

oppostion coaches must be laughing snot through their noses...

Yes we finished 8th.... 50/50 chance.. yes were average!

ten years on were average...

7 years ago... Collingwood played in 2 GFs lost... they won this year with a very young side.. and only 2 players from those GF losing teams 7/ 8 years ago.

Basically they have reconstituted a complete side and won a flag....!!.. maybe more flags...

Cos were treading water...!!!

 

[Juddrockz]

Is that you Synbad !!!!!!!!!!

Knock knock,who's there????
My feeling exactly after watching these comments back and forth

 

[krayfesh]

Forward line pressure and team frontal rpressure is totally different.

Are you thinking of Aaron Davey circa 2005 or something??? lol

Think of Collingwood and StKilda .....

are you following whats going on or just a few years behind the game???

Henderson and Waite cant be in the backline blocking holes.. if our non midfield players are there... right?

Like a gilbert type... or the way OBrien and Maxwell play....

Look id like to agree with you...... about stuff.... but im seeing alot of stuff you dont see in the modern game... so its very difficult for me to agree with you cos id be lying ....

The game isnt played with a heap of taggers and forwards running into the backline to block holes cos the taggers have been run away from position ...

Thats just sooooooooooo old hat!!!....

its been happening to us for a long time.. youd think we would learn...!!1

but sadly no...

we just add more players to defence...

(Gibbs)

oppostion coaches must be laughing snot through their noses...

Yes we finished 8th.... 50/50 chance.. yes were average!

ten years on were average...

7 years ago... Collingwood played in 2 GFs lost... they won this year with a very young side.. and only 2 players from those GF losing teams 7/ 8 years ago.

Basically they have reconstituted a complete side and won a flag....!!.. maybe more flags...

Cos were treading water...!!!

Uh. I know what team frontal pressure is. But where do you think it starts? You can't be saying that having those 3 didn't help with that, can you?

Waite and Hendo are far better than our midfielders at blocking holes, and like I said earlier, they usually only do it towards the ends of quarters.

BTW, we know that we need another good user coming out of defence as the third man up. It's why we've been forced to play Gibbs down there.

Also, the reason Collingwood were able to rebuild like that from 7 years ago is because they actually had draft picks. We were down and fighting for survival.

Seriously, if you were any more wrong about these things, you might come full circle and be right for once.

And another congratulations on abusing punctuation again. Back on the wagon! (!!!)

 

[TNBT]

I'm not going to get involved in this pissing contest, because honestly, I'm neither pro nor anti Ratten. I think he's a decent coach, but wouldn't hesitate to upgrade him. That brings me to my question. I only really read the first page of this thread, so maybe it has been answered, but what is this talk about Malthouse? I know he is coaching the Pies next season, but is there any actual talk of him coming here? Or is it just wishful thinking on our part?

As for our assistant coaches, since we have added Richardson and Brown, who have we let go or have moved onto a new team? The idea of having more experience in the box is good, but I thought Lappin, Montgomery, Harvey, etc were coming along nicely as coaches.

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

Uh. I know what team frontal pressure is. But where do you think it starts? You can't be saying that having those 3 didn't help with that, can you?

Waite and Hendo are far better than our midfielders at blocking holes, and like I said earlier, they usually only do it towards the ends of quarters.

BTW, we know that we need another good user coming out of defence as the third man up. It's why we've been forced to play Gibbs down there.

Also, the reason Collingwood were able to rebuild like that from 7 years ago is because they actually had draft picks. We were down and fighting for survival.

Seriously, if you were any more wrong about these things, you might come full circle and be right for once.

And another congratulations on abusing punctuation again. Back on the wagon! (!!!)

frontal pressure doesnt start somewhere... and then die off....

front pressure is extreme pressure on the ball carrier handler.. every opportunity possible.

so when the ball is disposed incorrectly unde rpressure u have a swarm of people to move onto it.. and then the opposition is out of their positions.

We dont do it...

too many taggers... minding men... shit scared and not watching the ball!!!

ratten is a three plus seasons coach..

he is no longer a junior coach in years and matches... just in stature!!

dont care what you think of my style.... i want you to address the debate..

 

[krayfesh]

frontal pressure doesnt start somewhere... and then die off....

front pressure is extreme pressure on the ball carrier handler.. every opportunity possible.

so when the ball is disposed incorrectly unde rpressure u have a swarm of people to move onto it.. and then the opposition is out of their positions.

We dont do it...

too many taggers... minding men... shit scared and not watching the ball!!!

ratten is a three plus seasons coach..

he is no longer a junior coach in years and matches... just in stature!!

dont care what you think of my style.... i want you to address the debate..

I did address the debate.

I also don't think that Ratten will be our next premiership coach. But the things you're saying he does or doesn't do just aren't true.

Frontal pressure and zones aren't things that happen over the course of a season, Hawthorn had the makings of the cluster for a couple of years and Clarkson got the idea from his time at Port in '04.

Collingwood have had this zone/moving down the boundary for a couple of years now and it clicked this year.

Also, most of the lists that are on top now have been playing together for upwards of 3-4 years.

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

I did address the debate.

I also don't think that Ratten will be our next premiership coach. But the things you're saying he does or doesn't do just aren't true.

Frontal pressure and zones aren't things that happen over the course of a season, Hawthorn had the makings of the cluster for a couple of years and Clarkson got the idea from his time at Port in '04.

Collingwood have had this zone/moving down the boundary for a couple of years now and it clicked this year.

Also, most of the lists that are on top now have been playing together for upwards of 3-4 years.

Oh god... stop it with the excuses.

2 of the last 3 premierships have been won by young sides with defined gameplans but well drilled to their strengths.

excuse after excuse after excuse embracing mediocrity!!!

thats why wer not going anywhere fast..... the excuses are always ready to be rolled out..

and glad you dont think ratten will be a premiership coach...

so why waste time with him???

i know its not your call....

but at least lets not pretend he is an able coach when he isnt.

we know in our hearts why this club has so many players stalling....

finishing 8th is an achievement these days...

it just means we are average...

in our last 14 games we only beat the bottom 5 teams.

Thats where we are......

average....

middle of the road...

with players that are not challenged individually or collectively.

and way too much emphasis on one man.... juddy... superstar!!!....

last year it was juddy and fev...

this year... juddy and eddie till eddie fell away.... (of course he would.. he was a 5ft 7" CHF bomb it to his head forward under Ratts the one trick pony.

Sees something... does it to death....

Gibbs on Goodes over and over again... is just another example of the unimaginative mans strategies

 

[HARKER]

Looking forward to bumping this thread twice. First when Ratts gets the next contract and then when he gets us into a GF. So expect a bump about August/Sept next hear and late Sept the year after.

I do hope you're right 30YB.

I have been attacked for again raising Ratten here, and rightly so.
My intentions were to play devils advocate to a point with the hope of eeking out some info as to what is happening at Visy right now.

There is a feeling that the broom has been brought out at Visy and the question is as to just how wide that broom may be.

 

[krayfesh]

Oh god... stop it with the excuses.

2 of the last 3 premierships have been won by young sides with defined gameplans but well drilled to their strengths.

excuse after excuse after excuse embracing mediocrity!!!

thats why wer not going anywhere fast..... the excuses are always ready to be rolled out..

and glad you dont think ratten will be a premiership coach...

so why waste time with him???

i know its not your call....

but at least lets not pretend he is an able coach when he isnt.

we know in our hearts why this club has so many players stalling....

finishing 8th is an achievement these days...

it just means we are average...

in our last 14 games we only beat the bottom 5 teams.

Thats where we are......

average....

middle of the road...

with players that are not challenged individually or collectively.

and way too much emphasis on one man.... juddy... superstar!!!....

last year it was juddy and fev...

this year... juddy and eddie till eddie fell away.... (of course he would.. he was a 5ft 7" CHF bomb it to his head forward under Ratts the one trick pony.

Sees something... does it to death....

Gibbs on Goodes over and over again... is just another example of the unimaginative mans strategies

Excuses? Pointing out where you're wrong isn't an excuse.

The Collingwood side had 3-4 years of the same strategy, so did Hawthorn.

We didn't finish the season well. We only finished 8th, which wasn't great. I know the things that are wrong with the team.

All I hear from you about the coach is that he tags too much. If you were ever at preseason training this year, you would have seen the style of play that Ratten is trying to get the players to use.

Disagreeing with your biased and often wrong point of view isn't accepting mediocrity.

I just know that success doesn't happen overnight. There's still some list turnover to be done and you're just going to be stuck on the same wrong, boring points.

Stop being wrong.

Also, I will throw you a parade if you do a whole post without abusing punctuation.

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

Excuses? Pointing out where you're wrong isn't an excuse.

The Collingwood side had 3-4 years of the same strategy, so did Hawthorn.

We didn't finish the season well. We only finished 8th, which wasn't great. I know the things that are wrong with the team.

All I hear from you about the coach is that he tags too much. If you were ever at preseason training this year, you would have seen the style of play that Ratten is trying to get the players to use.

Disagreeing with your biased and often wrong point of view isn't accepting mediocrity.

I just know that success doesn't happen overnight. There's still some list turnover to be done and you're just going to be stuck on the same wrong, boring points.

Stop being wrong.

Also, I will throw you a parade if you do a whole post without abusing punctuation.

i was at pre season.

he was getting them to move the ball slowly... and hold possession... chip chip chip...

then he realised we were being caught in the nets of the opposition like a school of tuna with this style and he used the fast break game... (different to all the possession shyte he was training us for all preaseason) this worked for a couple of weeks.. and thennnnnnnnnnnnn..... the opposition coaches threw a couple of players as sweepers in defence behind the hole.. and from that point on he had no answers...
the players knew he had no answers and began to get more and more flat...

u see... players look to a coach to have answers... and his pre season gameplan didnt work... and then his running game was chopped up... and there was nothing more.

why dont you have a party if we can play a style of footy we should be playing instead of throwing a party if i change my text style???

lol

youre weird!!!!

or just an apologist deflecting maybe????