USA Is the USA the worst nation to exist since classical times?

[fishardansin]

Perpetrators and benefactors of the worst holocaust/genocide in recorded history.
Manifest Destiny is the inspiration for Lebensraum.

Chattel slavery. The worst form of slavery with 600,000 being bred like farm animals led to around 10 million people being dehumanised.

Haiti, the US fought against the slave revolt. Helping France enforce Haiti pay back the debts of their slave owners, now blown out to 21 bil.

Cuba, the US is continual interfering with and supportive of organised crime controlling it.

Stealing land from Mexico. While a European settler-colonial nation, genetically it is obvious that it is a majority first nations people. Who now are treated as foreigners in lands around the border.

Philipines. Imperialist conquering replete war crimes.

Latin America. Using covert and not so covert forces for the benefit of their elites to rob these nations of their natural resources. This, along with the war on drugs, has built long term political instability and many military-based fascist governments. Any attempt at socialism leads to a coup or aggressive financial/trade acts of war.

The middle-east. Also been operating with neo-colonialism in a similar way to Latin America.
Supports Israel, which would have been reigned in if it wasn't for their misuse of the UN veto.
Supporting Saudis who are the home and funding of Wahabism, which is perhaps the only human political philosophy worse than fascism.

Africa. Supported apartheid and other horror shows.

Vietnam.

Iraq.

Afghanistan.

War on terror - yet supporting Saudis.

Climate change.

Through all of their genocide and imperialism have gathered more wealth than any nation in history, yet have wealth distribution resembling a tinpot authoritarian nation.

World wide they have fought hard to interfere with any nation that seeks to distribute wealth and power fairly.

So many worry about China. However, we've been living through this nightmare. China is nothing to worry about in comparison.

 

[rank and file]

Perpetrators and benefactors of the worst holocaust/genocide in recorded history.
Manifest Destiny is the inspiration for Lebensraum.

Chattel slavery. The worst form of slavery with 600,000 being bred like farm animals led to around 10 million people being dehumanised.

Haiti, the US fought against the slave revolt. Helping France enforce Haiti pay back the debts of their slave owners, now blown out to 21 bil.

Cuba, the US is continual interfering with and supportive of organised crime controlling it.

Stealing land from Mexico. While a European settler-colonial nation, genetically it is obvious that it is a majority first nations people. Who now are treated as foreigners in lands around the border.

Philipines. Imperialist conquering replete war crimes.

Latin America. Using covert and not so covert forces for the benefit of their elites to rob these nations of their natural resources. This, along with the war on drugs, has built long term political instability and many military-based fascist governments. Any attempt at socialism leads to a coup or aggressive financial/trade acts of war.

The middle-east. Also been operating with neo-colonialism in a similar way to Latin America.
Supports Israel, which would have been reigned in if it wasn't for their misuse of the UN veto.
Supporting Saudis who are the home and funding of Wahabism, which is perhaps the only human political philosophy worse than fascism.

Africa. Supported apartheid and other horror shows.

Vietnam.

Iraq.

Afghanistan.

War on terror - yet supporting Saudis.

Climate change.

Through all of their genocide and imperialism have gathered more wealth than any nation in history, yet have wealth distribution resembling a tinpot authoritarian nation.

World wide they have fought hard to interfere with any nation that seeks to distribute wealth and power fairly.

So many worry about China. However, we've been living through this nightmare. China is nothing to worry about in comparison.

Definitely on the podium of bastardry

 

[Seeds]

Perpetrators and benefactors of the worst holocaust/genocide in recorded history.
Manifest Destiny is the inspiration for Lebensraum.

Chattel slavery. The worst form of slavery with 600,000 being bred like farm animals led to around 10 million people being dehumanised.

Haiti, the US fought against the slave revolt. Helping France enforce Haiti pay back the debts of their slave owners, now blown out to 21 bil.

Cuba, the US is continual interfering with and supportive of organised crime controlling it.

Stealing land from Mexico. While a European settler-colonial nation, genetically it is obvious that it is a majority first nations people. Who now are treated as foreigners in lands around the border.

Philipines. Imperialist conquering replete war crimes.

Latin America. Using covert and not so covert forces for the benefit of their elites to rob these nations of their natural resources. This, along with the war on drugs, has built long term political instability and many military-based fascist governments. Any attempt at socialism leads to a coup or aggressive financial/trade acts of war.

The middle-east. Also been operating with neo-colonialism in a similar way to Latin America.
Supports Israel, which would have been reigned in if it wasn't for their misuse of the UN veto.
Supporting Saudis who are the home and funding of Wahabism, which is perhaps the only human political philosophy worse than fascism.

Africa. Supported apartheid and other horror shows.

Vietnam.

Iraq.

Afghanistan.

War on terror - yet supporting Saudis.

Climate change.

Through all of their genocide and imperialism have gathered more wealth than any nation in history, yet have wealth distribution resembling a tinpot authoritarian nation.

World wide they have fought hard to interfere with any nation that seeks to distribute wealth and power fairly.

So many worry about China. However, we've been living through this nightmare. China is nothing to worry about in comparison.

brought back democracy to western civilisation.

set up the UN and multilateral frameworks to give more power to smaller countries even though it was the country that would least benefit.

drove the creation of the UN Human rights charter To give rights to women, minorities and the poor.

was the world leading power during the 80 year period of greatest advancement in the history of human civilisation (i.e.greatest Reductions in violence, greatest rises in life expectancy, greatest rises in wealth, greatest reduction in poverty rates).

while being far from perfect in the last 80 years its probably been the greatest world power for humanity of all time.

give me a better one? The brits? The ming dynasty chinese? The mongolians? The spanish? The romans?



ended imperlists conquer by making land theft illegal.

 

[Seeds]

Definitely on the podium of bastardry
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Most of those places should of been bombed given they were either run by horrorfic dictatorships or were involved in wars where dictators were trying to take over.

do you call the police bastards when they fire guns back at criminals?


you got what you wanted with biden. he withdraw from afghanistan (one of the countries they bombed). Now look at it! its back to where it was before it was bombed. You idiotically attack the liberators rather then the cruel despotic governments that they bombed and overthrow. The ongoing existence of the cruel Taliban regime is now on people like you Who have pushed both sides of us government to become isolationist and turn the world into a free for all where dictators arent held to account and the biggest countries now feel like they can attack and invade whoever they want. See Russia and soon China with Taiwan.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

brought back democracy to western civilisation.

set up the UN and multilateral frameworks to give more power to smaller countries even though it was the country that would least benefit.

drove the creation of the UN Human rights charter To give rights to women, minorities and the poor.

was the world leading power during the 80 year period of greatest advancement in the history of human civilisation (i.e.greatest Reductions in violence, greatest rises in life expectancy, greatest rises in wealth, greatest reduction in poverty rates).

while being far from perfect in the last 80 years its probably been the greatest world power for humanity of all time.

give me a better one? The brits? The ming dynasty chinese? The mongolians? The spanish? The romans?



ended imperlists conquer by making land theft illegal.

1. They're actively muting democracy in their own country.

2. Least benefit? Oh cmon. Markets and allies.

3. Of the developed word, they have the worst poverty, highest violence (both domestically and militarily)

The world has improved despite the active presence of the US.

 

[FredLeDeux]

Perpetrators and benefactors of the worst holocaust/genocide in recorded history.
Manifest Destiny is the inspiration for Lebensraum.

Chattel slavery. The worst form of slavery with 600,000 being bred like farm animals led to around 10 million people being dehumanised.

Haiti, the US fought against the slave revolt. Helping France enforce Haiti pay back the debts of their slave owners, now blown out to 21 bil.

Cuba, the US is continual interfering with and supportive of organised crime controlling it.

Stealing land from Mexico. While a European settler-colonial nation, genetically it is obvious that it is a majority first nations people. Who now are treated as foreigners in lands around the border.

Philipines. Imperialist conquering replete war crimes.

Latin America. Using covert and not so covert forces for the benefit of their elites to rob these nations of their natural resources. This, along with the war on drugs, has built long term political instability and many military-based fascist governments. Any attempt at socialism leads to a coup or aggressive financial/trade acts of war.

The middle-east. Also been operating with neo-colonialism in a similar way to Latin America.
Supports Israel, which would have been reigned in if it wasn't for their misuse of the UN veto.
Supporting Saudis who are the home and funding of Wahabism, which is perhaps the only human political philosophy worse than fascism.

Africa. Supported apartheid and other horror shows.

Vietnam.

Iraq.

Afghanistan.

War on terror - yet supporting Saudis.

Climate change.

Through all of their genocide and imperialism have gathered more wealth than any nation in history, yet have wealth distribution resembling a tinpot authoritarian nation.

World wide they have fought hard to interfere with any nation that seeks to distribute wealth and power fairly.

So many worry about China. However, we've been living through this nightmare. China is nothing to worry about in comparison.

The Assyrians were probably worse than the US.

But the USA, the most warlike nation in the history of the planet, has definitely got the rest covered.

 

[Seeds]

1. They're actively muting democracy in their own country.

2. Least benefit? Oh cmon. Markets and allies.

3. Of the developed word, they have the worst poverty, highest violence (both domestically and militarily)

The world has improved despite the active presence of the US.

1. half the world doesnt even have democracy. And the majority that do probably wouldnt have it without the usa showing them how to do it. I state they are far from perfect by the way. What we are debating is if they are the worst nation to exist.

2. dont need a un to have allies and benefits when you are the biggest most powerful country in the world. The un pushes multilateralism which gives all the small countries more power at the negotiating table and takes away the benefits of being the bigger country in a negotiation. Rather then big countries being able to extract rents as has always been the case through human historythey had to operate under international law. The un also made stealing and claiming land as your own illegal. Which countries tend to steal land? The biggest and most powerful. Which was the US. The US claimed non of Europe after the war. None of East Asia. In fact it helped develop its world war 2 enemy, Japan, into a modern superpower Rather then taking over and making it a territory of the united states.

 

[Seeds]

The Assyrians were probably worse than the US.

But the USA, the most warlike nation in the history of the planet, has definitely got the rest covered.

As were twenty others.

List of genocides - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

actually this is the better list with the other being corrupted to much by political influences.

The worst genocides of the 20th and 21st Century

 

[FredLeDeux]

As were twenty others.

List of genocides - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Where's the Native American genocide?

 

[Seeds]

Bad Seeds
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Yep plenty of anti war right and left wingers dont seem to give any f*** about the human travesty they have just created in afghanistan.

 

[Seeds]

Where's the Native American genocide?

One spot above the australian indiginous genocide.

 

[Seeds]

Nixons bombing of cambodia and vietnam ranks as the 30th biggest genocide since the start of the 20th century.

can the op please update his factually incorrect opening statement.

and fred, most genocides are not commited though war, they are commited through purges by dictators against their own people. why do you ignore the biggest genocides in history?

 

[FredLeDeux]

One spot above the australian indiginous genocide.

Bawls, the death toll from the colonisation of North America was in the millions; and that's not counting the almost uncountable slaughter by US sponsored, supported and/or puppet governments in Central and South America and the Caribbean.

 

[fishardansin]

Most of those places should of been bombed given they were either run by horrorfic dictatorships or were involved in wars where dictators were trying to take over.

do you call the police bastards when they fire guns back at criminals?


you got what you wanted with biden. he withdraw from afghanistan (one of the countries they bombed). Now look at it! its back to where it was before it was bombed. You idiotically attack the liberators rather then the cruel despotic governments that they bombed and overthrow. The ongoing existence of the cruel Taliban regime is now on people like you Who have pushed both sides of us government to become isolationist and turn the world into a free for all where dictators arent held to account and the biggest countries now feel like they can attack and invade whoever they want. See Russia and soon China with Taiwan.

How many democracies have the US over turned to install a dictator that is more welcoming to their exploitation.

They don't give a shit about democracy and actively work to ensure theirs has low participation and is not even that representative of the half of the country that bothers to vote.

They currently have 35% of their voters actively supporting a fascist movement.

 

[fishardansin]

Yep plenty of anti war right and left wingers dont seem to give any f*** about the human travesty they have just created in afghanistan.

I think you'll find that "the left" in the USA is right of centre. There is even a majority of their so called progressives who support continued imperialist occupation.

Are you suggesting that the US stayed there for longer? To prop up a puppet govt that most people didn't support? I mean how on earth is a govt over run in a few days if the rebels don't have more backing?

 

[fishardansin]

Bawls, the death toll from the colonisation of North America was in the millions; and that's not counting the almost uncountable slaughter by US sponsored, supported and/or puppet governments in Central and South America and the Caribbean.

Yes the North American genocide perpetrated by the British and their colonies, before and after independence is the worst genocide in history. If you're talking about deliberate murder, removal of culture and depeopling.

Genghis Khan would have been amazed.

Of course, the British empire is the worst when you look at how many cultures and people they murdered and how much wealth they stole. But even they said, not one further step west than the colonies of 1770.

The US independence was not popular with the majority of colonials at first. It was done to break the shakels King George had on their genocidal tendencies, as well as knowing that slavery would soon be abolished by Britain.

The US exists for slavery and a complete genocide. This horror show lingers only to ensure that capitalist and industrialist elites have an armed wing to ensure all nations submit to exploitation.

I'm enjoying watching them wither and die. Not long to go now. Let's hope they don't bring us all down with them through nuclear war or environmental collapse.

 

[Seeds]

Bawls, the death toll from the colonisation of North America was in the millions; and that's not counting the almost uncountable slaughter by US sponsored, supported and/or puppet governments in Central and South America and the Caribbean.

yeah in over 400 years there was an estimated 12 million native indian deaths caused by colonisation. Many of them resulting from accidential spreading of disease or loss of land. Not an act by one single group of people at a point in time to deliberately wipe out another. Which is what genocide is.

so no the cumaltive deaths of native indians that resulted from colonisation over centuries do not count.

by your definition you would have to count every death carried out by a civilisation against another civilisation or even their own civilisation. And not even violent deaths. indirect accidental deaths as well.

 

[fishardansin]

yeah in over 400 years there was an estimated 12 million native indian deaths caused by colonisation. Many of them resulting from accidential spreading of disease or loss of land. Not an act by one single group of people at a point in time to deliberately wipe out another. Which is what genocide is.

so no the cumaltive deaths of native indians that resulted from colonisation over centuries do not count.

by your definition you would have to count every death carried out by a civilisation against another civilisation or even their own civilisation. And not even violent deaths. indirect accidental deaths as well.

You're either dishonest or naive.

 

[Sqotty from office works]

Perpetrators and benefactors of the worst holocaust/genocide in recorded history.
Manifest Destiny is the inspiration for Lebensraum.

Chattel slavery. The worst form of slavery with 600,000 being bred like farm animals led to around 10 million people being dehumanised.

Haiti, the US fought against the slave revolt. Helping France enforce Haiti pay back the debts of their slave owners, now blown out to 21 bil.

Cuba, the US is continual interfering with and supportive of organised crime controlling it.

Stealing land from Mexico. While a European settler-colonial nation, genetically it is obvious that it is a majority first nations people. Who now are treated as foreigners in lands around the border.

Philipines. Imperialist conquering replete war crimes.

Latin America. Using covert and not so covert forces for the benefit of their elites to rob these nations of their natural resources. This, along with the war on drugs, has built long term political instability and many military-based fascist governments. Any attempt at socialism leads to a coup or aggressive financial/trade acts of war.

The middle-east. Also been operating with neo-colonialism in a similar way to Latin America.
Supports Israel, which would have been reigned in if it wasn't for their misuse of the UN veto.
Supporting Saudis who are the home and funding of Wahabism, which is perhaps the only human political philosophy worse than fascism.

Africa. Supported apartheid and other horror shows.

Vietnam.

Iraq.

Afghanistan.

War on terror - yet supporting Saudis.

Climate change.

Through all of their genocide and imperialism have gathered more wealth than any nation in history, yet have wealth distribution resembling a tinpot authoritarian nation.

World wide they have fought hard to interfere with any nation that seeks to distribute wealth and power fairly.

So many worry about China. However, we've been living through this nightmare. China is nothing to worry about in comparison.

To answer your question.
No1 Israel
No2 America
No3 Belgium.

 

[fishardansin]

To answer your question.
No1 Israel
No2 America
No3 Belgium.

Israel? Sure they are a horror show on a patch of land on the eastern Mediterranean, but c'mon. Israel is an extension of American anti-semitism anyhow. They are supporting the right-wing powers that have captured Israel and committed atrocities against Semitic people with an even more dangerous religion! It is weird to watch those American types who 50 years ago would not let Jews join the country club now supporting Israel to destroy Palestine.

Belgium committed unspeakable atrocities in the Congo, but I look at the lasting impact. The Congo won their independence and is coming back. I look forward to the revival of African economies now that their baby boom has ceased and China is investing in a less exploitative way than the US/IMF. They are poised for great things.

I put
1. Britain/USA

daylight


...

2 Spain
4. Portugal
3. Holland
4. Belgium

..

Then we're back to medieval times which was mostly people trying to be the dominant political power in their region. Not sailing across the world to murder and pillage.

 

[Farmer2Goggin]

Surely it's the USA then daylight - they did give us Trump, Kanye West and Keeping up with the Kardashians after all.........

 

[spinynorman]

set up the UN and multilateral frameworks to give more power to smaller countries even though it was the country that would least benefit.

In the aftermath of setting up the UN, the United States became as powerful a country as has ever existed. How did they succeed in the face of such sheer magnanimity?

Most of those places should of been bombed given they were either run by horrorfic dictatorships or were involved in wars where dictators were trying to take over.

A horrendous thing to say. The idea that innocent people should be killed because of issues with their Government was an atrocity when the World Trade Center was destroyed, and it was an atrocity when 15% of all North Korean people were killed in the Korean War.

2. dont need a un to have allies and benefits when you are the biggest most powerful country in the world. The un pushes multilateralism which gives all the small countries more power at the negotiating table and takes away the benefits of being the bigger country in a negotiation. Rather then big countries being able to extract rents as has always been the case through human historythey had to operate under international law. The un also made stealing and claiming land as your own illegal. Which countries tend to steal land? The biggest and most powerful. Which was the US. The US claimed non of Europe after the war. None of East Asia. In fact it helped develop its world war 2 enemy, Japan, into a modern superpower Rather then taking over and making it a territory of the united states.

We have just seen Russia attack a sovereign nation without provocation and with the world unable to do anything about it because it's a big country. The US has done the same in recent decades in Afghanistan and Iraq. Saudi Arabia has done the same in Yemen, and Israel continues to crush the Palestinian people. The reality is that the multilateralist order you speak of is non-existent, and nothing can stop a country powerful enough from doing whatever it wants. The US has supported this set up since 1945 because it has benefited from this.

I find the question of whether it's the "worst nation" a little odd (what kind of value judgment would this be?) but to argue it's been a positive force over the past 80 years, when it has actively fought to keep down the countries that have been able to throw themselves loose of the shackles of colonialism after hundreds of years of exploitation, even before we get into the fact it developed weapons capable of destroying the world and polluted to an extent that will likewise cause catastrophic damage to the planet, is really just sticking your head in the sand. You have benefited from American dominance, but acknowledge that billions globally have not.

 

[Cyg1992]

Without a doubt. The biggest cancer of the Western world.

 

[Cyg1992]

The US exists for slavery and a complete genocide. This horror show lingers only to ensure that capitalist and industrialist elites have an armed wing to ensure all nations submit to exploitation.

I'm enjoying watching them wither and die. Not long to go now. Let's hope they don't bring us all down with them through nuclear war or environmental collapse.

Absolutely spot on.

It won't happen in my lifetime but I look forward to when we can hopefully have the majority of the world and its media completely ignoring that place.
Their tacky, commercial, cheap, plastic 'culture' has infiltrated and diluted so many other countries, particularly ours.

 

[fishardansin]

In the aftermath of setting up the UN, the United States became as powerful a country as has ever existed. How did they succeed in the face of such sheer magnanimity?



A horrendous thing to say. The idea that innocent people should be killed because of issues with their Government was an atrocity when the World Trade Center was destroyed, and it was an atrocity when 15% of all North Korean people were killed in the Korean War.



We have just seen Russia attack a sovereign nation without provocation and with the world unable to do anything about it because it's a big country. The US has done the same in recent decades in Afghanistan and Iraq. Saudi Arabia has done the same in Yemen, and Israel continues to crush the Palestinian people. The reality is that the multilateralist order you speak of is non-existent, and nothing can stop a country powerful enough from doing whatever it wants. The US has supported this set up since 1945 because it has benefited from this.

I find the question of whether it's the "worst nation" a little odd (what kind of value judgment would this be?) but to argue it's been a positive force over the past 80 years, when it has actively fought to keep down the countries that have been able to throw themselves loose of the shackles of colonialism after hundreds of years of exploitation, even before we get into the fact it developed weapons capable of destroying the world and polluted to an extent that will likewise cause catastrophic damage to the planet, is really just sticking your head in the sand. You have benefited from American dominance, but acknowledge that billions globally have not.

By worst, I am rating them on body count, genocide, slavery, and block to advancing towards a more equitable sharing of power and wealth. I also think that the conservative movement of the US is the major driving force behind inaction for climate change and hence signed the death warrant for large organised societies.