Mid East Israel declare war after Hamas attack III

[faible]

Guilt and history is a strong motivator, a lot of the western world know of the Jews as the marginalised group subject to a brutal genocide.

In a world where Hollywood has meant we think there’s always a good guy and always a bad guy, a lot of people can’t really conceptualise a nominally Jewish ethnostate committing atrocities against an oppressed people, and a terrorist group rising up from those people committing atrocities back.

 

[Markfs]

Guilt and history is a strong motivator, a lot of the western world know of the Jews as the marginalised group subject to a brutal genocide.

In a world where Hollywood has meant we think there’s always a good guy and always a bad guy, a lot of people can’t really conceptualise a nominally Jewish ethnostate committing atrocities against an oppressed people, and a terrorist group rising up from those people committing atrocities back.

it helps if the media doesnt show the atrocities so that small portion of likely conceptualisers aren't given an opportunity to conceptualise

 

[Scotland]

Guilt and history is a strong motivator, a lot of the western world know of the Jews as the marginalised group subject to a brutal genocide.

I think the whole world knows about WWII, which killed about 3% of the World's population and about 1/3 of all Jews alive at the time.

In a world where Hollywood has meant we think there’s always a good guy and always a bad guy, a lot of people can’t really conceptualise a nominally Jewish ethnostate committing atrocities against an oppressed people, and a terrorist group rising up from those people committing atrocities back.

Is Hollywood responsible for people that view everything through a lens of oppressor vs oppressed and have set about "decolonising" the world one thing at a time? I mean Palestine should be free, right? Free from the oppressive Jewish colonial settler project and British Empire, so it can be free like it was under hundreds of years of Ottoman rule...

So many people with very loud opinions are totally ignorant to the actual history of the conflict. Maybe people should stop conceptualising and pick up a book. Spoiler alert: the Jews aren't the good guys and either are the Arabs.

 

[Markfs]

I think the whole world knows about WWII, which killed about 3% of the World's population and about 1/3 of all Jews alive at the time.



Is Hollywood responsible for people that view everything through a lens of oppressor vs oppressed and have set about "decolonising" the world one thing at a time? I mean Palestine should be free, right? Free from the oppressive Jewish colonial settler project and British Empire, so it can be free like it was under hundreds of years of Ottoman rule...

So many people with very loud opinions are totally ignorant to the actual history of the conflict. Maybe people should stop conceptualising and pick up a book. Spoiler alert: the Jews aren't the good guys and either are the Arabs.

too complex for me....but is it ok to drop bombs on children?

 

[Scotland]

too complex for me....but is it ok to drop bombs on children?

No.

 

[Markfs]

No.

we agree.

surprisingly, there's quite a few out there who think its ok to drop bombs on kids. They have to be convinced, one way or another, to change their minds

 

[Scotland]

we agree.

surprisingly, there's quite a few out there who think its ok to drop bombs on kids. They have to be convinced, one way or another, to change their minds

Quite a few people need to be convinced of quite a lot of things.'

Is it OK to drop bombs not on kids?

 

[Chief]

So many people with very loud opinions are totally ignorant to the actual history of the conflict. Maybe people should stop conceptualising and pick up a book. Spoiler alert: the Jews aren't the good guys and either are the Arabs.

But do "the Arabs" need to be the good guys to keep their homes safe from being seized by Israel?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Quite a few people need to be convinced of quite a lot of things.'

Is it OK to drop bombs not on kids?

Truth bombs, sure. It's all about context mate.

 

[Markfs]

Quite a few people need to be convinced of quite a lot of things.'

Is it OK to drop bombs not on kids?

i tend to refrain from bombing non-combatants....

 

[schneebly111]

In a world where Hollywood has meant we think there’s always a good guy and always a bad guy, a lot of people can’t really conceptualise a nominally Jewish ethnostate committing atrocities against an oppressed people, and a terrorist group rising up from those people committing atrocities back.

This documentary popped up almost 20 years ago:



I must admit I grew up on Hollywood action movies of the 80s and 90s where Arabs and Muslims were portrayed as villains and nothing more. No context about their actions or why they resorting to violence. They were always the cheap disposable bad guy who only existed so our heroes could slaughter them by the hundreds. Or even moving away from action movies they were inept and comic buffoons with no redeeming qualities, like in Aladdin.

There was no social media back then or much media beyond the standard newspaper in the morning and 6pm news that night, so as conflicts like Iraq and Afghanistan broke out all we heard were the voices of the powerful and their desire to “eradicate evildoers”. We’d be seeing the same now if it weren’t for social media.

Also I’m not really keeping up with film these days as it’s mostly comic book and sci fi sequels but it seems the action movies of the 80s/90s where Arabs were portrayed as cartoonish villains like the Delta Force or True Lies don’t exist anymore. Good, looking back at those films I’m disgusted with the level of racism they contain. Pure warmongering propaganda.

 

[Markfs]

Interesting that the israelis negotiate a cease-fire with hez who have comparable weapons... is there a lesson there?

 

[Johnny_Dogg4]

 

[Saint]

But do "the Arabs" need to be the good guys to keep their homes safe from being seized by Israel?

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The difficult part for Israel is that the "Arabs" in Israel are more Israeli (descended Jews who converted to Islam) than the Jewish people moving to Israel from Eastern Europe.

Meanwhile, a settler terrorist accused of executing a prisoner is arrested again, this time for kidnapping a Palestinian from the West Bank, along with 4 police and 4 soldiers. They've made a token arrest and will release them shortly, no doubt. Especially considering the terrorist was loose after executing a prisoner.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/police-officers-idf-soldiers-arrested-for-kidnapping-palestinian/

 

[Markfs]

i've just become aware of an israeli recreational facility called Teiman Prison..... no wonder israelis are happy to serve in the military...

 

[Chief]

i've just become aware of an israeli recreational facility called Teiman Prison..... no wonder israelis are happy to serve in the military...

"Torture is Comfort"

 

[HirdsTheWord]

This documentary popped up almost 20 years ago:



I must admit I grew up on Hollywood action movies of the 80s and 90s where Arabs and Muslims were portrayed as villains and nothing more. No context about their actions or why they resorting to violence. They were always the cheap disposable bad guy who only existed so our heroes could slaughter them by the hundreds. Or even moving away from action movies they were inept and comic buffoons with no redeeming qualities, like in Aladdin.

There was no social media back then or much media beyond the standard newspaper in the morning and 6pm news that night, so as conflicts like Iraq and Afghanistan broke out all we heard were the voices of the powerful and their desire to “eradicate evildoers”. We’d be seeing the same now if it weren’t for social media.

Also I’m not really keeping up with film these days as it’s mostly comic book and sci fi sequels but it seems the action movies of the 80s/90s where Arabs were portrayed as cartoonish villains like the Delta Force or True Lies don’t exist anymore. Good, looking back at those films I’m disgusted with the level of racism they contain. Pure warmongering propaganda.

That "nothing more" bit isn't true.

Yes, Arabs were certainly predominantly portrayed in movies as evil, mostly because during that time you noted there were a lot of bombings and plane hijackings involving mainly Arabs as the perpetrators. People didn't just cast them as "bad guys" in movies for no reason at all.

But there are however movies from that time period that did portrayed Arabs in a good light, IE Rambo 3 (1988).

 

[Chief]

That "nothing more" bit isn't true.

Yes, Arabs were certainly predominantly portrayed in movies as evil, mostly because during that time you noted there were a lot of bombings and plane hijackings involving mainly Arabs as the perpetrators. People didn't just cast them as "bad guys" in movies for no reason at all.

But there are however movies from that time period that did portrayed Arabs in a good light, IE Rambo 3 (1988).

I remember the media shock when non-American people released and enjoyed games and movies where the non-Americans triumphed over evil American invaders.

Understandable given they were often being invaded by Americans and Europeans. People didn't cast American invaders as "bad guys" for no reason at all.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

I remember the media shock when non-American people released and enjoyed games and movies where the non-Americans triumphed over evil American invaders.

Understandable given they were often being invaded by Americans and Europeans. People didn't cast American invaders as "bad guys" for no reason at all.

Most of the zombie movies are set in America.

Probably just a coincidence.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

I remember the media shock when non-American people released and enjoyed games and movies where the non-Americans triumphed over evil American invaders.

Understandable given they were often being invaded by Americans and Europeans. People didn't cast American invaders as "bad guys" for no reason at all.

Youd have to give me an example as I'm not familiar with that type of movie.

 

[QuietB]

Apparently Israel has suffered pretty heavy losses in Lebanon - not that the media would report that either.

 

[Markfs]

That "nothing more" bit isn't true.

Yes, Arabs were certainly predominantly portrayed in movies as evil, mostly because during that time you noted there were a lot of bombings and plane hijackings involving mainly Arabs as the perpetrators. People didn't just cast them as "bad guys" in movies for no reason at all.

But there are however movies from that time period that did portrayed Arabs in a good light, IE Rambo 3 (1988).

I acknowledge the hyjackings but people seem to be ignoring the elephant in the room.... the people making the movies

 

[faible]

I acknowledge the hyjackings but people seem to be ignoring the elephant in the room.... the people making the movies

The English speaking world is dominated by films made in America, unsurprisingly we get the pro-America version of stories.

I assume if Pakistan had a major film industry, their films would look very different.

 

[Markfs]

Apparently Israel has suffered pretty heavy losses in Lebanon - not that the media would report that either.

evidently a saudi in england owns that "persian" blog.... you might have to cast a wider net

 

[Markfs]

The English speaking world is dominated by films made in America, unsurprisingly we get the pro-America version of stories.

I assume if Pakistan had a major film industry, their films would look very different.

yeh....well search the CEOs of the major studios and connect the dots....