Mid East Israel declare war after Hamas attack III

[Geelong_Sicko]

There was a bit of a sour after taste when the offshore rights were acquired by australia, if i remember correctly. Not that the ADF was involved with that aspect.

Treaty confirms Australia profited from Timor-Leste oil and gas, rights groups say

Agreement signed on Wednesday stipulates ‘no compensation for past exploitation’

www.theguardian.com

Yeah, the steal was a bit of grift by Little Johnny. Reprehensible shit to be sure and something that he should be criminally liable for, but personally I doubt that the Aussie troops going in knew that the Timor Gap resources were the TRUE objective.

A perfect cover? Maybe, but the orders they went in with were to protect the Timorese from marauding Indonesian militias.

 

[Sqotty from office works]

Yeah, the steal was a bit of grift by Little Johnny. Reprehensible shit to be sure and something that he should be criminally liable for, but personally I doubt that the Aussie troops going in knew that the Timor Gap resources were the TRUE objective.

A perfect cover? Maybe, but the orders they went in with were to protect the Timorese from marauding Indonesian militias.

Think you will find Australia and Indonesia came to an agreement over Timor basin long before Australia "freed" Timor leste.
Just because it wasn't in the headlines doesn't mean that agreement wasn't made.
Leader of TL took Australia to court over that agreement.

 

[Markfs]

Think you will find Australia and Indonesia came to an agreement over Timor basin long before Australia "freed" Timor leste.
Just because it wasn't in the headlines doesn't mean that agreement wasn't made.
Leader of TL took Australia to court over that agreement.

Yes, you're right. The bogus treaty was signed with the indonesians. My original comment was wrong. I thought Australia got the rights after the war/peace keeping. It was before with the Indonesians.

 

[peetoo]

I wanna know what happened to ‘freedom to be a bigot’? Seems we need to legislate just one form of racial/religious bigotry

The two simple reforms that Labor should have made to protect Jews — The Australian

We need to clearly distinguish incitement to violence laws from hate speech. The former must not be tolerated in a free society. The latter must be tolerated if a society is to remain free.

apple.news

 

[Markfs]

I'd like to retain a freedom to state an opinion....

 

[Markfs]

I just saw something about the settlement between israel and hez... that hez is going to withdraw north of the Litani River.

I was wondering what relationship that river had with the Promised Land.

So it seems that, as a few people have suggested, the Promised Land can vary but the minimalist position is south of the Litani River. That doesnt mean that the Israelis are going to be happy with that boundary but it is about 20 miles north of the current official border. Trump may tell Lebanon to give that land up....

Could that solve the longterm Israeli land grab? It's hard to say. This window might only be in place for the Trump years, but with MBS in saudi in charge and looking for technology, the Israelis may feel that they can get more.

 

[Markfs]

For those who find watching this too painful, skip to about 2 minutes 30 seconds.

Btw I like this guy. He has a funny haircut but he has a reasonableness about him.

 

[Present Not Past]

gaza community meeting...

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Looks like a school in America after a shooting spree.
Yet all the incoming POTUS can talk about is daylight savings.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

There's a lot of factual stuff in his statement. I'm not talking about the emotional state that he was in. I'm tired of this discussion about australian jews not having a connection to israel. It's been done to death. You can talk about it if you like...

Some of them probably do, some of them probably don't. They are all individuals , which is the whole idea of not being a bigot.

 

[Markfs]

Some of them probably do, some of them probably don't. They are all individuals , which is the whole idea of not being a bigot.

well i think we've established that i'm a bigot. Now all we have to do is to stop the bigots in israel murdering all of the palestinians in gaza on the basis that they're all hamas. I promise that i wont murder anyone while you get that accomplished so you can concentrate on the main issue...

 

[treeebeard]

Did you read past the headlines with Carr's claim of "extraordinary influence" to the supposed substantiation of the claim.

His big story was about Gillard opposing his vote on a UN stance regarding Israel/ Palestine. Carr's position actually won the caucus vote decisively with very few ministers voting with Gillard. And Australia's stance in the UN went against what the Right wing Israeli lobby groups wanted. Hardly demonstrating "extraordinary influence". Possibly over one woman.

He then published a series of messages showing that Gillard had opposed the stance. It clearly showed that she opposed the stance. Does it show that she was extraordinarily influenced by right wing Jewish lobby groups?. No. It's innuendo based on her political position on an issue. His account showed as much evidence of Gillard being controlled by Israeli lobby groups as it showed him being controlled by Palestinian lobby groups - none.

A disagreement on a political stance between the PM and the foreign minister was somehow irrefutable evidence of "extraordinary influence", which then gets exaggerated further by some to the government being completely controlled by the whims of Israel. And it's ridiculously being amped up at a time when Australian politicians have pissed off right wing Jewish groups by voting against their wishes in the UN.

What headlines? This is general knowledge. Those were there the night Rudd was removed understand the influence Rotem had in the decision after Rudd dared to make anti Mossad statements. Morrison's main objective in recognising West Jerusalem was to help Sharma win a by election. A lot of this is cloak and dagger stuff that only emerges well after. But to think the Israel lobby doesn't have significant influence over our nations stance on Palestine is like saying Gina Rinehart doesn't have significant influence over LNP energy policy. Some of course, is more overt though, like the pressure applied from lobby groups which resulted in Melissa Parke withdrawing as a candidate in a federal election a few years back.

 

[Markfs]

What headlines? This is general knowledge. Those were there the night Rudd was removed understand the influence Rotem had in the decision after Rudd dared to make anti Mossad statements. Morrison's main objective in recognising West Jerusalem was to help Sharma win a by election. A lot of this is cloak and dagger stuff that only emerges well after. But to think the Israel lobby doesn't have significant influence over our nations stance on Palestine is like saying Gina Rinehart doesn't have significant influence over LNP energy policy. Some of course, is more overt though, like the pressure applied from lobby groups which resulted in Melissa Parke withdrawing as a candidate in a federal election a few years back.

I live in the electorate that Parke originally held. It is a very safe labor seat, usually put aside for people who are going to be ministers and the Labor party was looking for women for that role......However she was put under severe pressure. I even went to her electorate office to follow up an email that i wrote to her to voice my support. I've never done that before or since. She resigned or didnt seek reelection. Tried to come back some years later but the lobby is relentless. Its like a mission from god. There is something in this puzzle that I cant understand. I can understand the collective trauma of post WW2 for the jews, but is it the guilt for the gentiles? And evidently we are supposed to just let 2 million get wiped off the map to appease these feelings?

 

[Not Important]

and the world stands by and watches.

“Among more than 44,000 dead in Gaza are hundreds of nurses, doctors, physicians and other medical staff, according to Palestinian health authorities and the UN's human rights office.

The Israeli military has repeatedly targeted hospitals and medical facilities such as Nasser Hospital in Khan Younis, the UN and local journalists report, as Israel claims Hamas uses them as weapons facilities and command centres.”

Medics, journalists and rescuers are being killed at work in Gaza

Hundreds of doctors, journalists and others are dying in Gaza, international bodies say, alleging they are being targeted by the Israeli military for doing their job.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Not Important]

justified anger.





the yanks - there's no surprise, they are the enablers and have been for decades. germany - surprises but. maybe it's a conscience thing as well as financial.

 

[Not Important]

 

[Markfs]

Liam's career was probably finished anyway...... this will make it a certainty....they should pronounce him officially dead at the next oscars...

 

[Markfs]

and the world stands by and watches.

“Among more than 44,000 dead in Gaza are hundreds of nurses, doctors, physicians and other medical staff, according to Palestinian health authorities and the UN's human rights office.

The Israeli military has repeatedly targeted hospitals and medical facilities such as Nasser Hospital in Khan Younis, the UN and local journalists report, as Israel claims Hamas uses them as weapons facilities and command centres.”

Medics, journalists and rescuers are being killed at work in Gaza

Hundreds of doctors, journalists and others are dying in Gaza, international bodies say, alleging they are being targeted by the Israeli military for doing their job.

www.abc.net.au

Deserves more details..... The study was done by Palestinians. I'm sure that the Lobby will discount it for that reason. Or it will tell the world that Hamas is responsible for the terror that the kids in gaza feel.

And most of all, I am a racist, bigotted, antisemite to even think about these kids..

WAR CHILD SHARES FIRST STUDY OF PSYCHOLOGICAL IMPACT OF WAR ON VULNERABLE CHILDREN IN GAZA.​

A first of its kind report - written by Gaza based Community Training Centre for Crisis Management, who are supported by War Child Alliance -
lays bare the shocking psychological impact of the ongoing war on children in Gaza.

The needs assessment study - which interviewed over 500 children, parents and caregivers, from families where at least one child is disabled, injured or unaccompanied - shows that over a year of displacement, loss, and relentless bombing have left the most vulnerable children in Gaza seriously psychologically traumatised, with their families on the brink of survival. For the most vulnerable children in Gaza, caregivers report that:

• 96% of children feel death is imminent
• 92% of children are not accepting of reality,
• 87% display severe fear,
• 79% suffer from nightmares,
• 77% of children avoid talking about traumatic events,
• 73% of children exhibit symptoms of aggression,
• 49% of children wish to die because of the war,
• and many more show signs of withdrawal and severe anxiety, alongside a pervasive sense of hopelessness.

War Child shares first study of psychological impact of war on vulnerable children in Gaza.

A first of its kind report - written by Gaza based Community Training Centre for Crisis Management, who are supported by War Child Alliance - lays bare the shocking psychological impact of the ongoing war on children in Gaza.

www.warchild.org.uk

 

[peetoo]

Amazing journalism referring to death and destruction form air strikes, but argues the damage and death is ‘overstated’

Number of civilians killed in Gaza ‘inflated to vilify Israel’ — The Telegraph

Researchers accuse Gaza ministry of health of overstating casualty data

apple.news

 

[SaintsSeptember]

justified anger.





the yanks - there's no surprise, they are the enablers and have been for decades. germany - surprises but. maybe it's a conscience thing as well as financial.

Overnight?
Surely they carry more stock than that. Like a LOT more.
I'm not sure who undersigns what, but surely no-one would make an arms agreement with a company that could stop its supply for political reasons. "sure mate, we'll give you planes, but the wings will fall off if we don't like who you're fighting against."

What really sucks is that they send funds to purchase US military equipment.

 

[treeebeard]

Amazing journalism referring to death and destruction form air strikes, but argues the damage and death is ‘overstated’

Number of civilians killed in Gaza ‘inflated to vilify Israel’ — The Telegraph

Researchers accuse Gaza ministry of health of overstating casualty data

apple.news

Loves a good pro Israel piece does our David. Also loved being a part of the Israel Hotel Investment Summit...

 

[Markfs]

Amazing journalism referring to death and destruction form air strikes, but argues the damage and death is ‘overstated’

Number of civilians killed in Gaza ‘inflated to vilify Israel’ — The Telegraph

Researchers accuse Gaza ministry of health of overstating casualty data

apple.news

The "Research" body that provided the basis for this article is called the Henry Jackson Society is run by a guy called Mendoza....

"Dr Mendoza's mother, Marjatta, was raised in the far north of Finland and converted to Judaism.
Barmitzvah at the famous Bevis Marks Synagogue, he was raised in a modern Orthodox home.
The 38-year-old who also sits on the board of the Spanish and Portuguese Community, read history at Gonville and Caius College, Cambridge, and, at the same institution, completed a PhD focusing on Anglo-American relations during the Bosnian War.
It was during a gap year that Dr Mendoza became involved with a publishing company which produced in-house membership magazines.
But it was while at Cambridge that Dr Mendoza conceptualised the forbearer to the Henry Jackson Society."

So to make it clear, this research organisation is run by a jewish guy. And I went looking for this and found it within 5 minutes. Maybe it says something about me, but why does it keep happening whenever I question why someone is supporting the Israelis in their murder campaign.

Now the research might be accurate. I didnt bother to look.

 

[treeebeard]

The "Research" body that provided the basis for this article is called the Henry Jackson Society is run by a guy called Mendoza....

"Dr Mendoza's mother, Marjatta, was raised in the far north of Finland and converted to Judaism.
Barmitzvah at the famous Bevis Marks Synagogue, he was raised in a modern Orthodox home.
The 38-year-old who also sits on the board of the Spanish and Portuguese Community, read history at Gonville and Caius College, Cambridge, and, at the same institution, completed a PhD focusing on Anglo-American relations during the Bosnian War.
It was during a gap year that Dr Mendoza became involved with a publishing company which produced in-house membership magazines.
But it was while at Cambridge that Dr Mendoza conceptualised the forbearer to the Henry Jackson Society."

So to make it clear, this research organisation is run by a jewish guy. And I went looking for this and found it within 5 minutes. Maybe it says something about me, but why does it keep happening whenever I question why someone is supporting the Israelis in their murder campaign.

Now the research might be accurate. I didnt bother to look.

Careful, you'll be accused of antisemitism

 

[Markfs]

Careful, you'll be accused of antisemitism

i have a dream...in 100 years a palestinian will be accused of antisemitism...

 

[IlovethePies]

i have a dream...in 100 years a palestinian will be accused of antisemitism...

If you want to be credible, you need to link your legitimate hatred of the Israeli genocide in Gaza not to Jewish individuals or organisations, but to the alliance between US imperialism and the fascist Netanyahu government. Netanyahu and all the fascists in his government are the outcome of the reactionary project of Zionism, which began in 1948 with the establishment of Israel.

Israel was rapidly adopted by US imperialism, and soon became its rabid agent of oppression and its base for provocations in the Middle east.

There are millions of Jews worldwide who oppose the fascist Zionist state and who are involved in the anti-genocide protests.

Your posts, attributing the reactionary Zionist articles that appear in various capitalist media outlets to individuals "of Jewish lineage" is totally reactionary, and is in fact racist, because the ethnic basis of the individual concerned is irrelevant.

There are multiple anti-Semites in the US (Elena Stefanovic is one) who subscribe to the "Great Replacement Theory" - which is completely anti-Semitic - yet support the genocide in Gaza.

No political phenonomen in this world can be explained by ethnicity. The only valid explanation of any political phenonomen must be based on an analysis of what class interests are expressed by each political player - where they were born is utterly irrelevant.

 

[Markfs]

If you want to be credible, you need to link your legitimate hatred of the Israeli genocide in Gaza not to Jewish individuals or organisations, but to the alliance between US imperialism and the fascist Netanyahu government. Netanyahu and all the fascists in his government are the outcome of the reactionary project of Zionism, which began in 1948 with the establishment of Israel.

Israel was rapidly adopted by US imperialism, and soon became its rabid agent of oppression and its base for provocations in the Middle east.

There are millions of Jews worldwide who oppose the fascist Zionist state and who are involved in the anti-genocide protests.

Your posts, attributing the reactionary Zionist articles that appear in various capitalist media outlets to individuals "of Jewish lineage" is totally reactionary, and is in fact racist, because the ethnic basis of the individual concerned is irrelevant.

There are multiple anti-Semites in the US (Elena Stefanovic is one) who subscribe to the "Great Replacement Theory" - which is completely anti-Semitic - yet support the genocide in Gaza.

No political phenonomen in this world can be explained by ethnicity. The only valid explanation of any political phenonomen must be based on an analysis of what class interests are expressed by each political player - where they were born is utterly irrelevant.

I'm not after credibility. I dont see any point in it. I'm beyond trying to change anyone's opinion, because it's not possible.

I appreciate your posting. I've asked on a number of occasions why people are supporting israel in what they are currently doing. Maybe you can answer that question for me. Particularly, I wonder about the reasons for gentiles. It honestly perplexes me. That would be good. Thanks.