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I'm not sure that the 1000 were ex-israeli. They could just be sons of jewish australians who can become automatic israeli citizens under the Israeli basic law. I presume that while that some of them might be early 20s, that they have all been to israel before previously, because of the strong ties jewish people have with israel. It's different to someone like me who has irish and italian roots, but I would never fight for either country....of course I wouldnt. I'm an australian...
So you're now stooping to little subtle digs that Jewish Australians are un-Australian.
 

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225000 enlisted in the ADF during the 2024 fiscal year.
There are 1000 total in Israel.
Could be people who failed the psych test.

The West guy portrays the 1000 as a loss for the ADF. I dont think that any of the 1000 would be interested in joining the ADF....
 
it makes ya wonder why italians dont get the tropes...or the greeks.

but of course, society is just full of people like myself who make up things because we've got something against jewish people.

But of course, the fact is I admire the jewish people greatly. They are high achievers and get to positions of authority. And they assist each other with whatsapp groups etc which I just dont see in regular australian society. It's very admirable. I kind of wish everyday australians were more focused on achieving things and getting rid of people who stand in their way. We should really have goals of being a far bigger player than what we are, and we could think of taking back papua, for example, rather than doing footy deals with it. Not that soft diplomacy hasnt got its place, as free holidays would show, but we need to lean in more and just take things that we want. I think israel provides a template. Dont you agree?
It goes beyond whatsapp groups and a free holiday.
It's not total control of media or government, but it's very strong and genuine influence over policy and reporting. It's not conspiracy stuff either. John Lyons and Bob Carr have both explained their lives experience of it.
Saying these lobby groups don't have huge influence is like saying fossil fuel companies don't have huge influence. It's laughable.
 
I was just skimming through the Aljazeera site, and beyond the amount of murdering that the IDF is engaged in, they must be having the time of their lives with the terror that they are inflicting on the civilian population. No wonder they get so many overseas people volunteering for the IDF. The manipulation of complete neighbourhoods, by moving them around with short term promises of safety, must really appeal to those involved. The power rush that these individuals must be getting. I can only imagine having the noise of drones above my head for 24 hours a day, not knowing when someone sitting in an operations area in israel gets told that its time to inflict another terrorist act on the palestinian people.
 
It goes beyond whatsapp groups and a free holiday.
It's not total control of media or government, but it's very strong and genuine influence over policy and reporting. It's not conspiracy stuff either. John Lyons and Bob Carr have both explained their lives experience of it.
Saying these lobby groups don't have huge influence is like saying fossil fuel companies don't have huge influence. It's laughable.

If the lobby isnt having an effect, then why are australian politicians so tentative about the genocide?
 
The West guy is guessing. Like you he has his own agenda, and he inserts his guesses amongst the facts.

Thats true of anyone in the media. He pushes the fact that the murdoch media ignores information.....and he's right, it does. However, he wants his site to have a reason to exist. But thats true of any media outlet. Its the reason that I'm sceptical about the twitter people. At least with West, you can see his background and he has an actual public face.
 

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I'm sure they use the fiscal year for their reporting, for their annual budget, for staff taxation etc etc etc.

Was about to say this, not sure it's anything nefarious, military personnel still have to report their annual tax returns in the same period as everyone else, so all organisations would use fiscal year as a standard reporting metric.
 
So westerners providing Palestinian aid? Anti semitic?
Surely it is.
Its contrary to what the Israeli's are trying to achieve.

Its got a bit of Chopper to it.
Chopper:
"Why would I shoot a bloke BANG, then drive him to the bloody car and wizz him off to the hopsital at a hundred miles an hour? It defeats the purpose of having shot him in the first place.
 
Surely it is.
Its contrary to what the Israeli's are trying to achieve.

Its got a bit of Chopper to it.
Chopper:
"Why would I shoot a bloke BANG, then drive him to the bloody car and wizz him off to the hopsital at a hundred miles an hour? It defeats the purpose of having shot him in the first place.

Yes, any form of assistance to the palestinians would seem to be anti-semitic by definition....actually the 2 mill determined to stay alive in gaza are resisting israel's goals...
 
They are actually devaluing the term "Anti-Semitic".

If you tell a girl ( or guy ) you love them, they might be deeply affected by that.
If you walk around in a club telling everyone you love them, after a while they all figure out you're just crazy or conniving, or an arseh*le.
but if you ask them and they say that they love you, then that is all you can go by.....obviously the israelis feel that if anyone stops them exterminating the palestinians then they are anti-semitic. Thats what they say is true, so there's no way to question it.
 
The US showing themselves as great leaders of Democracy amongst other powerhouses who voted no in that list.

I'm always wondering why Australia sides so closely with the US, remembering that if Dutts was in charge, we would be voting the same as the US.

And then you look at the countries supporting the US/Israel...

1. Places like microneia and nauru have post colonial stuff or have been paid off
2. Some places in europe have a weird post WW2 relationship with israel

I just dont see why we have so much pressure in the system to support israel. People will say that we're on the right side of history, but Dutts will flip us back if he gets in next year. Nothing is more certain. We will transfer our embassy back to Jerusalem.

I would just like to know why....maybe the israeli supporters who attend this thread can tell me
 
It goes beyond whatsapp groups and a free holiday.
It's not total control of media or government, but it's very strong and genuine influence over policy and reporting. It's not conspiracy stuff either. John Lyons and Bob Carr have both explained their lives experience of it.
Saying these lobby groups don't have huge influence is like saying fossil fuel companies don't have huge influence. It's laughable.
There are lobby groups of every religious persuasion, every industry and every cause. And they all exert some level of influence. I'm certainly not claiming Jewish or any other lobby groups have zero influence.

There's always been Jewish lobby groups, like there's always been Catholic lobby groups and from time to time there is an increase in ridiculous exaggeration of how much influence Jewish lobby groups have with depictions of politicians being completely under their control.

What often goes hand in hand with that is the questioning of the Jewish ethnicity of people with positions of power. The creation of distrust based on ethnicity. For example a blatant exaggerator of Jewish power in Australia has pointed out in this thread that the Attorney General is Jewish with a quip that his real home is Israel ...

You might let that type of thing slide or not notice it because you share the same position regarding atrocities in Gaza and assume that a poster thinks like you. I notice it and know that he doesn't think like me.

When Hitler did his famous 1922 speech in Munich, Jewish lobby groups with a degree of influence existed right throughout the west, as they do today. He wasnt the first. He didn't create the stereotype or create a complete falsehood in terms of some level of influence - there was and always will be a level of influence for all cultural groups in a democratic society. What he did was greatly exaggerate the influence and demonise Jews blaming everything or decision that he didn't like on Jews - or Jewish lobby groups. And the more it was said the more it was accepted.


If you repeat the same lie often enough, people believe the lie. Particularly at a time when the only government on the planet that is actually controlled by Jews is currently disgraceful.
 
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